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C3PX said:

While we are on the subject of sci-fi shows Fox murdered, I read a few days ago that there is some talks of a Sarah Connor Chronicles direct to DVD film o tie up the series. That would make me a very happy man... I hope it gets made, just to give the show a sense of closure.

 Oooooo..... me too!  As long as it's good, anyways.  I guess I have to learn that more of something I like is not always something I like...

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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i like it a lot....  its a good continuation to the series,

and all those people that thought it wasn't going anywhere

are missing out..

 

later

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[no GOUT in CED?-> GOUT CED]

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I thought it was more pandeing to fanboys nonsense, the whole EU thing with Boba and bounty hunters, and the retcon of making fett some bigger character than he was by:

A.  Adding Boba Fett to Star Wars

B.  creating a bad fake backstory of fett being a clone of a no name jango fett that never existed prior to episode II production dates.  Making Fett an annoying little snot of a kid not unlike anakin from episode 1.

 

Now that it is too early to have boba fett and jango is dead they make a bad boba fett knockoff called cad bane with a bad accent, It is absolutely stupid, but ater all this is for non critical children who will watch anything that cartoon network tirds out.

 

The focus should have been on the Jedi, or the sith.   That stuff interests me not no name cannon fodder like republic troopers and bounty hunters.  The Jedi should be believable human characters even when as aliens, and the sith should be menacing not laughably bad pulling strings from the shadows like the prequels, boring.

 

At least the mmo game the old republic being made makes the mandalorians and bounty hunters interesting as how they have a mercenary relationship to the sith, and builds upon the mythology created in the kotor games and comics.  The clone wars cartoon is more garbage from Lucas, the less he has creative control over these days comes out infinitely better.

Yeah i like the competitive banter and master student relationship between Anakin and Ahsoka, and this kind of brings back the point that we never really saw this relationship form between kenobi and anakin except in the eu comics and animations from genndy and novels, the movies ruined the Kenobi/Skywalker dynamic just as badly as they butchered anakin's turn to the darkside.

Ahsoka is headstrong and stubborn just like Anakin Skywalker, and Qui Gon Jinn. Anakin obviously has always been the exact opposite in temperament and personality than kenobi.  Kenobi is cool, and serious minded and patient almost to a fault. He also lacks a sense of humor most of the time. He puts his sense of duty to the jedi and the republic before his own needs or wants. 

Anakin is hotheaded, likes to have fun and breaks all the rules, he also has a sense of humor. He cares not for duty or honor, his puts his own needs and personal relationships and friends before the orders.

He like Luke after him is a jedi who is not free from attachments, a passionate jedi is almost considered the kind of thing to be abhorred by the order.  Almost as badly as a Passionate Vulcan is considered in star trek,lol.

Well i watched it and noticed it looked like a frickin videogame during the opening.  Kind of like Battlefront 2 only i cannot control the action,lol.  Total failure as an animation but nice videogame scene.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Saw most of the two eps on youtube. Not bad for a light cartoon series, but it's still not Star Wars, nor will ever be. This stuff is very much founded on the pseudo-Star-Wars the prequels gave us. And even if the show's Anakin is a bit more masculine and less whiny, he's still a distinctly limited sort of guy, in a way the OT's Luke wasn't, nor ROTJ's Anakin. In other words, he still doesn't fit as Anakin and, like the PT Anakins, probably does not match Lucas's making-of-OOT era envisioning of the character. Ashoka remains the best thing on the show. Why the fuck is this guy called CAD Bane? If they were looking for British derogatory slang like "cad", why didn't they just call him Bounder Bane and be done with it? Then they'd have alliteration and all. Or if they wanted a bit ruder they could call him Tosser Bane. Cad Bane? Sounds pretty funny. But then Han Solo went around space with a robot called bollocks.

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Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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Ziz said:

Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".

Some people stoop so low it amazes me. You're one of those. You're not worth paying attention to, but I did feel the need to point out to you quite how low you were going. In case you're looking to start a fight here (which I guess you are), you won't get any further replies from me on this thread. Go on, be insulting all you like.

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Are the US versions oar, the HD broadcast i watched from cartoon network looked cropped to me 1:78:1 and not the 2:35:1 of the sky HD broadcasts.  I really hate that.

Maybe i'm wrong as i don't have access to the original ts file i can't say, could have been re-encoded improperly.

The season 1 blu ray and dvd are not out yet.  But if the dvd is 1:78:1 i will be pissed, especially if the oar 2:35:1 is blu ray exclusive.  The dvd singles were 1:78:1 so there is a cause for worry.

It would not surprise me if the cropping was the fault of the cartoon network people or that both versions were considered correct as this is all rendered in cgi and not shot live action.

Another thing about the cartoon network besides the pesky commercials is the CN logo pasted on the video the whole time, makes the show worthless for archiving on your dvr.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Vaderisnothayden said:

Why the fuck is this guy called CAD Bane?

Maybe he's a drafter?

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Ziz said:

Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".

 

Seriously, what do comments like this really add to the discussion? You may not like VINH, or find him annoying, but it is still pretty lousy to just toss out insults like that.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I'm surprised everyone has forgotten about the ignore feature so easily.

You don't like someone's opinions or views put them on your ignore list.

Currently no one is being ignored by me because i like more than a one sided conversation, but trolls deserve to be ignored.

Me i have learned that other people may have different opinions than mine in life, i might not always like said opinions, views or ideas but i have to tolerate them because it is the American thing to do, freedom of speech and all.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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C3PX said:

Ziz said:

Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".

 

Seriously, what do comments like this really add to the discussion? You may not like VINH, or find him annoying, but it is still pretty lousy to just toss out insults like that.

 

It's called sarcasm.  He doesn't contribute anything positive, all he does is complain, I'm just giving him a taste of his own medicine.  And what makes it funnier is that he's so full of himself that he doesn't see it that way, and probably still won't even after reading this very post of me saying so.

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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skyjedi2005 said:

 

The focus should have been on the Jedi, or the sith.   That stuff interests me not no name cannon fodder like republic troopers and bounty hunters.   

 Interesting that a PT-hater like yourself would be so focuses on Jedi/Sith conflicts, as these were of extremely minimal importance in the OT. The "Sith" didn't even exist in the OT.

In the OT our focus was mainly on non-Jedi issues, except specifically Luke's journey. The villains were criminals and Imperial military. Most of the heroes were smugglers, poloticians, and shady businessmen.

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skyjedi2005 said:

 

The focus should have been on the Jedi, or the sith.   That stuff interests me not no name cannon fodder like republic troopers and bounty hunters.   

 Interesting that a PT-hater like yourself would be so focuses on Jedi/Sith conflicts, as these were of extremely minimal importance in the OT. The "Sith" didn't even exist in the OT.

In the OT our focus was mainly on non-Jedi issues, except specifically Luke's journey. The villains were criminals and Imperial military. Most of the heroes were smugglers, poloticians, and shady businessmen.

You are quite wrong just because the word sith was never uttered in the original trilogy films does not mean it was not a part of the original george lucas canon.  Which included the novelizations, the one from 1976 ghostwritten by alan dean foster mentions vader as the dark lord of the sith.  Vader calls the emperor in the empire strikes back my master, and the emperor gets premonitions through the force, clearly when star wars was first written the emperor was not a sith lord but when lucas made empire and jedi he clearly was.  He has the black cloak and cowl, he does not need a lightsaber or a darth name like sidious to be a sith lord.

Now the other refence to sith may not be canon, but as early as the 1974 draft the sith are mentioned.  The jedi existed too only the name was longer jedi bendu of ashla.

And since Luke was training to be a jedi like his father, and star wars was from the adventures of luke skywalker i think jedi were of a large importance, the very scales of the conflict were decided by good or bad elites who were force users, the rest of the characters were clearly pawns.  Luke was able to destroy the death star because he had the force, without the force the rebels would have lost, and the empire would not have been kept together without the emperors presence.

It was never from the adventures of Han Solo also Mark Hamill was the star and ford was a co-star, whether or not he upstaged hamill is a different arguement. 

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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TheBoost said:

In the OT our focus was mainly on non-Jedi issues, except specifically Luke's journey. The villains were criminals and Imperial military. Most of the heroes were smugglers, poloticians, and shady businessmen.

I agree with the first sentence. The main story of the first three films isn't really a Jedi story, per se. In fact, most of the military seems to regard the old religion as obsolete. The outcome of the main conflict happens to be decided by a former Jedi (losing) and a Jedi in training (winning), but it's a non-Jedi military conflict.

Regarding the heroes, the true heroes are an old Jedi Knight, a princess working clandestinely against the military, a farm boy drawn into the story by accident, and a self-serving pilot hired to provide transportation so that military information can be delivered.

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since Luke was training to be a jedi like his father, and star wars was from the adventures of luke skywalker i think jedi were of a large importance, the very scales of the conflict were decided by good or bad elites who were force users, the rest of the characters were clearly pawns. 

No doubt Luke's abilities are the deciding factor in the rebels defeating the military, but I don't think I'd go as far as to say the Jedi were of large importance. Outside of an old Jedi Knight getting Luke involved, the old religion had little else to do with it. Granted, that one step, which happens by accident, is a huge one. Outside of that, their involvement is largely indirect.

It was Luke's resolve and his ability to work with the force that ultimately decides the outcome. In fact, of the three true Jedi we meet, one is killed, one dies of old age, & one is defeated.

I think Ben sums up their role very well - "The Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace & justice in the old republic...before the Empire". The Jedi are important to Luke, but it's a personal story for him - not the one we're part of while sitting in the theater.

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Anchorhead said:

TheBoost said:

 

In the OT our focus was mainly on non-Jedi issues, except specifically Luke's journey. The villains were criminals and Imperial military. Most of the heroes were smugglers, poloticians, and shady businessmen.

 

 

I agree with the first sentence. The main story of the first three films isn't really a Jedi story, per se. In fact, most of the military seems to regard the old religion as obsolete. The outcome of the main conflict happens to be decided by a former Jedi (losing) and a Jedi in training (winning), but it's a non-Jedi military conflict.

Regarding the heroes, the true heroes are an old Jedi Knight, a princess working clandestinely against the military, a farm boy drawn into the story by accident, and a self-serving pilot hired to provide transportation so that military information can be delivered.

 I know you dont dig on the EU Anchorhead, but one of the biggest EU issues IMHO is that the works are OBSESSED with Jedi. 80% of them are Jedi-centric, usually with some random "Han's Cooky Non-Jedi Adventure" wedged into the story awkwardly.

And worse, there are these long treatises about the nature of the Force. The OT has what, maybe 10 minutes total in three movies talking about what exactly the Force is. The novels go on and on and on about the Force like the authors really want to be Thomas Aquinas or something.

As kids, my brother and I would fight over who got to be Han Solo when we played. The loser had to be Luke the Jedi.

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Well, I wouldn't go that far.  I always wanted to be Luke.  But, yeah, the obsession on force-users is quite annoying of late.  And it is interesting to realize how small a role they played in the OT.  I'm currently re-reading Lord of the Rings, and the dealings of the wizards (Gandalf, Saruman) play out in the background of the story.  And it's interesting.  But if there was a whole story all about Wizard the Grey, Wizard the White, and Wizard the Brown all sitting around in their council meetings... well, you'd have the PT, actually. ^_~

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skyjedi2005 said:

I'm surprised everyone has forgotten about the ignore feature so easily.

You don't like someone's opinions or views put them on your ignore list.

Currently no one is being ignored by me because i like more than a one sided conversation, but trolls deserve to be ignored.

Don't worry, I haven't read any of Ziz's posts since the last one I replied to above. He's on my ignore list. The guy was hostile and aggressive to me since before I ever said anything to him and he just did it again and again. I even apologized to him once and he kept it up. So basically, he's given me no reason to think well of him or respect him or anything he says. I ended up with the impression that he's just a troublemaker. So there was no further point in reading his crap.

I wouldnt put somebody on my ignore list just for expressing opinions I don't like, but I will put somebody on my ignore list for stooping really low and being personally offensive and gratuitously aggressive one time too many and generally proving to be nothing but a troublemaker.

Me i have learned that other people may have different opinions than mine in life, i might not always like said opinions, views or ideas but i have to tolerate them because it is the American thing to do, freedom of speech and all.

That's a reasonable approach, but some people seem to think it's morally wrong for you (general "you", as in you me or whoever)  to come out with a view they disagree with and feel they are morally justified in lashing out at you if you come out with such a view. There seems to be a lack of tolerance there for expression of a wide range of opinions or for differing posting approaches.

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Ziz said:

Of if they wanted to be really obvious that he was selfish, mean and egotistical, they could have called him "Vaderisnothayden Bane".

 

Seriously, what do comments like this really add to the discussion? You may not like VINH, or find him annoying, but it is still pretty lousy to just toss out insults like that.

Good question. I really don't see how disliking somebody on a board or disliking their opinions justifies unprovoked insults and aggression.

I don't know. I just want to get along on this board. I don't need all this hassle. So I wish people who act like that would kindly stay away from me. Or maybe put notices in their sigs saying "Troublemaker here, put on ignore list". It would save me the trouble of trying to talk to them and finding it's pointless.

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Ziz said:

It's called sarcasm. 

 

You called him "selfish", "mean", and "egotistical", where I come from, that is called tossing around insults. Calling that sarcasm gives sarcasm a bad name.

Not saying I completely disagree with your feelings on this one, I very much enjoyed you last post, but I'd simply encourage you to take the high ground. Not trying to play the nanny or anything, just hate to see things resort to name calling.

Skyjedi makes a fantastic point about the ignore button, if you feel VINH doens't bring anything to the discussion, save yourself some annoyance and ignore him.

 

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 I know you dont dig on the EU Anchorhead, but one of the biggest EU issues IMHO is that the works are OBSESSED with Jedi. 80% of them are Jedi-centric, usually with some random "Han's Cooky Non-Jedi Adventure" wedged into the story awkwardly.

 

 True story. I have no idea of the state of the EU today, as I could care less. But this Jedi fixation was present even back in the nineties, when I did care about EU to some degree.

Games like Dark Forces and X-Wing were some of my favorite EU back then. I liked seeing other parts of the SW universe that were not so closely related to the main characters. The fantasy world that was created in the OT fascinated me, I liked the ideas of smugglers, pirates, an overbearing government, and underground rebellions as much as and maybe more than I did the idea of Jedis and the force. When Dark Forces 2 came out and they turned the main character into a Jedi I was extremely annoyed. I wanted another game as Kyle Katarn the smuggler/mercenary/infiltrator/spy, not a game playing as Kyle Katarn the Luke Skywalker wannabe with a small dash of Han Solo for flavoring.

Of course, then they went on to make Dark Forces III/Jedi Knight II which was absolutely awesome... but yet still an example of this Jedi obsession.

This is also the reason I really enjoyed the Dark Horse one shot comic Tales from Mos Eisley (completely different from the novel of the same name) and the DH Droids comic series. Both of these game us a taste of part of the SW universe that had nothing to do with the jedi and was unrelated and different from all the things we had already seen in the films.

 

The game Rebel Assault 2, while I found it enjoyable, aslo really annoyed me for this same reasons. Not Jedi obsessed, but simply because it wanted to rehash things we had seen in the movies, not straying too far from familiar material to bring us something new. In that game you fly through narrow tunnels in a Corelian freighter that is identical to the Millenium Falcon and extremely reminicient of the end DS battle in ROTJ, you dress up in Stormtrooper armour to escape an Imperial base, later you fly through the trees of a planet called Imdar (not Endor) on a Speeder Bike while dressed exactly in the same kind of helmet and poncho Luke wore during his own Speeder bike adventure... but fortunately, nobody ever handed your character a lightsaber.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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C3PX said:

Skyjedi makes a fantastic point about the ignore button, if you feel VINH doens't bring anything to the discussion, save yourself some annoyance and ignore him.

 

Why should I put him on ignore?  It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity.  I keep wondering when he's going to implode in on himself.

And for all the bitching about the PT and Indy 4 that Sky does, at least he makes the occasional suggestion of how things could be different.  VINH can't seem to get that far.

My outlook on life - we’re all on the Hindenburg anyway…no point fighting over the window seat.

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C3PX said:

 True story. I have no idea of the state of the EU today, as I could care less.

Uh-oh!  U meant "couldn't care less"!  -10 Points in the grammar rodeo!  U now have no reason to h8 on those who use 'u' in place of 'you'!

2 bad 4 U!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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skyjedi2005 said:

Are the US versions oar, the HD broadcast i watched from cartoon network looked cropped to me 1:78:1 and not the 2:35:1 of the sky HD broadcasts.  I really hate that.

Maybe i'm wrong as i don't have access to the original ts file i can't say, could have been re-encoded improperly.

The season 1 blu ray and dvd are not out yet.  But if the dvd is 1:78:1 i will be pissed, especially if the oar 2:35:1 is blu ray exclusive.  The dvd singles were 1:78:1 so there is a cause for worry.

It would not surprise me if the cropping was the fault of the cartoon network people or that both versions were considered correct as this is all rendered in cgi and not shot live action.

Another thing about the cartoon network besides the pesky commercials is the CN logo pasted on the video the whole time, makes the show worthless for archiving on your dvr.

Sadly they were not 2:35 to 1. Plus the audio has been messed up all week for Clone Wars. The dialog was way too low in the center channel.

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xhonzi said:

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 True story. I have no idea of the state of the EU today, as I could care less.

Uh-oh!  U meant "couldn't care less"!  -10 Points in the grammar rodeo!  U now have no reason to h8 on those who use 'u' in place of 'you'!

2 bad 4 U!

No man, I have to take those points back. You see, my logic with the whole couldn't care less/could care less thing is as follows: If I couldn't care less about something, I have taken my feelings of not caring as far as they can possibly go. But if I could care less about something, I have potentially taken them EVEN further than not being able to care less about them, but I haven't really taken the time to consider just how much I don't care about them simply because they are not worth my time to to waste it trying to assess exactly how much I do not care for them. Make sense? You see, it isn't the superlative of not caring, because I care about it so little, I do not wish to take the time to figure out the most superlative term to apply to it. Examples: "Dude, that movie really FREAKIN' SUCKED! I cannot even begin to explain how horrendously awful that steaming pile of dog turd of a film was!" Here I am going out of my way to explain how much I disliked this film. I honestly couldn't care less for it, I dislike it to the extreme, and I am willing to really take my time to let others know how much I don't like it. An example of being able to care less would be you and your buddy are talking and he say, "Man, I saw that movie the other day and it really, really, really, really, --" and you interupt him and say, "Dude, you wanna go Applebees and get an onion blossom?" You could probably care less about the movie your buddy is talking about, if you wanted to, but your just that much more content to not even consider it and to just go eat an onion.

Soooo, I'll be retracting that 10 points from the grammar rodeo...

TOO bad for YOU, eh?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Ziz said:

 

Why should I put him on ignore?  It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity.  I keep wondering when he's going to implode in on himself.

 

 hate to say it, but that's why i put nobody on my ignore list. besides, i go both ways sometimes.

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rcb said:

Ziz said:

 

Why should I put him on ignore?  It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity.  I keep wondering when he's going to implode in on himself.

 hate to say it, but that's why i put nobody on my ignore list. besides, i go both ways sometimes.

Me too, brother, me too. 

Wait, we're talking about flying a starship in forward and reverse, right?

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Ric Olie said:

rcb said:

Ziz said:

 

Why should I put him on ignore?  It's fun watching him go out of his way to contribute only negativity.  I keep wondering when he's going to implode in on himself.

 hate to say it, but that's why i put nobody on my ignore list. besides, i go both ways sometimes.

Me too, brother, me too. 

Wait, we're talking about flying a starship in forward and reverse, right?

 i was referring to taking both sides of an argument actually. i didn't realize i had made a gay joke. whoops!

:p