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I really love the actress playing the ISB agent. Just had the perfect face for that role.

Man, the two best scenes this episode have to be between Mon Mothma and her friend, and Cassian and his mom. Wow, the performances we’re getting out of this show are pretty stellar. Really liked the brief, stream of consciousness flashbacks we got of Cassian’s adoptive father. Will be interested to see more of that. Did it seem like to you guys that the young kid running toward the clones was a young Cass, which means Diego Luna as Cass with his father may have been an expression of the memory? Like, Cass was actually younger during that event, but we’re seeing it through the mind of Cass, so in that moment we are seeing him as he is in the present? Don’t know if that makes sense.

The scene between Mothma and Luthen was nice, too. I really liked the the final shot of Luthen as he is thinking while Mothma leaves. A lot of thoughts seem to flicker in his mind. Like he is fluctuating between being confident in his actions and anxious about what’s to come. Getting Skargard for this show was such a win.

I have to say I was a bit surprised by how quickly Cassian’s peace evaporated. Cassian’s arrest felt slightly contrived, but I imagine his contrived arrest may be reminiscent for people who actually have been accosted by the police while trying to mind their own business. “Why do you look nervous?” “Because you’re making me nervous!”

EDIT: Thought I would share this comment I found on reddit related to this thought, “As a Hongkonger this episode ending hit me so hard. It’s just like the real HK police right now, a police state where they can accuse you of whatever they want and arrest you. Also, the Judge only listens to the government and the police, even charging what they want without evidence.”

In this case, Cassian was paranoid because he was guilty of something even if it was unrelated, so it does make sense why this trooper suspected Cassian was hiding something. I kind of wonder if troopers are now incentivized to arrest people who display any inkling of anti-Imperial sentiment in the wake of the robbery. At this point arguing with a trooper might be seen as an act of civil unrest. It would add to the irony of why the trooper seems so eager to arrest Cassian. And now this overreaction from the Empire will create more rebels everyday, just like Dedra and Luthen both talked about.

The six year sentence also seems drastic, but the line from the judge about it used to be six months makes me think sentencing has become more severe as a consequence to the robbery. So there already is some irony in the fact Cassian’s arrest and sentencing may have come about due to his involvement in the robbery, even though him being in his current predicament is relatively unrelated to that.

Also, ending on the brief moment of Syril working at his desk felt like a weird place to end it on first watch. But maybe they were trying to draw a parallel Cassian’s prison sentence with what probably feels like is a prison sentence to Syril.

With just how many interesting characters and world building we’re getting beyond Cassian’s own story, it makes me wish they would’ve abandoned the Disney+ titular character naming convention for their shows and called this series something like Shadows of the Empire. Would’ve been a lot more fitting.

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Yes the ending was definitely supposed to imply Cyril was just as much imprisoned as Cassian.

While I wouldn’t use “Shadows of the Empire” (too much baggage), I agree they could’ve come up with a better title than Andor. But the title is really pretty inconsequential when the show is this good.

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Yeah true. Kinda hard to find a title that hasn’t been used at some point in the 40+ years of Star Wars media.
And yes, I do agree with you! The quality of the show makes up for the generic title by far!

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I have a friend who lives in Rio and he is amazed at this show, says whoever made it gets things like favelas and really appreciates the representation of that kind of world.

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There don’t seem to be too many people around here who don’t like this series, but evidently there are quite a few who don’t. I’ve seen some comments on FB that indicate some people think it is a bomb2.

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Judging from my experience, I would guess that the majority who have watched it have at least liked it, and most have loved it. I’ve certainly seen people say it’s been boring, or feels too different for a Star Wars series, or whatever. It’s all down to taste I think, you can never please everybody.

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Another question for the board, if you would indulge me.

In keeping with the above comments, the response does seem to be overwhelmingly positive. For me, it’s the deeper story & characters, the realism, and most importantly the lack of connection to The Saga. However, I do have a close friend who isn’t all-in and in fact has some criticisms. We have a weekly evening nerd call where we discuss all things film & TV pop culture. We tend to stay primarily on Marvel, Star Wars, and DC.

His criticism of Andor is that it’s so grounded in an Earth-like reality that doesn’t offer a real escape from a long work week or our real world stresses and problems. The very thing I like most about it is the part that has disappointed him. His biggest criticism was from an episode or two back where we see Syril at home with his mom. He gets up, goes too he kitchen, eats a bowl of cereal, and then gets ready to go to work - where he sits in a cubicle wearing a suit & tie.

As he says, the world and our culture are a mess and life can be very stressful, is it too much to ask for just one hour a week where he isn’t reminded of it. I absolutely get that and I agree. It’s nice to step away even for an hour or so.

He says for him it was just too much like Earth to offer any escapism. I found the Earthiness to be a bit interesting (the cubicle part, going on a job interview, etc), because a great many of us may exist in that very world. I’m very happy with the show, where he wants more droids and aliens. Note: he was very happy that the vacation planet offered up what he’d been missing.

What say the board: Too Earth-like or no?

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The new episode was really good, I loved it. I couldn’t believe this famous actor was in this episode (Spoilers)

Andy Serkis

His performance was so good and scary in a way. Did anyone else like this episode?

We all know that (spoilers)

Forrest Whitaker returns as Saw Gerrera in this series and he finally appeared in this episode.

I didn’t want to spoil it for those who haven’t watched it yet.

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Anchorhead said:

Another question for the board, if you would indulge me.

In keeping with the above comments, the response does seem to be overwhelmingly positive. For me, it’s the deeper story & characters, the realism, and most importantly the lack of connection to The Saga. However, I do have a close friend who isn’t all-in and in fact has some criticisms. We have a weekly evening nerd call where we discuss all things film & TV pop culture. We tend to stay primarily on Marvel, Star Wars, and DC.

His criticism of Andor is that it’s so grounded in an Earth-like reality that doesn’t offer a real escape from a long work week or our real world stresses and problems. The very thing I like most about it is the part that has disappointed him. His biggest criticism was from an episode or two back where we see Syril at home with his mom. He gets up, goes too he kitchen, eats a bowl of cereal, and then gets ready to go to work - where he sits in a cubicle wearing a suit & tie.

As he says, the world and our culture are a mess and life can be very stressful, is it too much to ask for just one hour a week where he isn’t reminded of it. I absolutely get that and I agree. It’s nice to step away even for an hour or so.

He says for him it was just too much like Earth to offer any escapism. I found the Earthiness to be a bit interesting (the cubicle part, going on a job interview, etc), because a great many of us may exist in that very world. I’m very happy with the show, where he wants more droids and aliens. Note: he was very happy that the vacation planet offered up what he’d been missing.

What say the board: Too Earth-like or no?

Sounds like your need a new friend. Lol.

Nah, I guess I can see that criticism even if I completely disagree with it. I’m fortunate in that I don’t work a cubicle job and my work life is pretty low stress and enjoyable. So escapism isn’t a needed aspect for me to enjoy something.

And I agree with you. Seeing the “slice of life” aspect of Star Wars and the mundane bureaucracy of the Empire and all the infighting and ladder climbing inherent within has been really fun and fascinating! Of course, it helps that the writing and acting is just superb to sell the interest in the mundane. With a lesser creative team behind this it could be a total train wreck of boringness. But it’s not! It’s SOOO good!

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I’m enjoying the series a lot. The sets and props keep me immersed in the world. Love the ANH style computers/displays!

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Why are the prisoners assembling things, when the Empire could just use droids, like the Geonosians used to build droids in AOTC? We do see plenty of people doing manual labor, so maybe that’s just how the economics of droids works in the galaxy, but it wouldn’t shock me if all their labors were actually pointless and the inspection process in a separate facility is just droids disassembling them and reassembling them properly.

Also, Keef Girgo, though surely a perfect Star Wars Name, is a little too similar to Greef Karga

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My thoughts while watching this series:

“Kenobiiiiiiiiiiii…”

Peace is a lie
There is only passion…

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NeverarGreat said:

This latest episode felt very THX1138, which was cool. Feels like something a younger Lucas would have written.

I thought it felt like THX-1138 as well.

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Anyone else think the torture method in this weeks episode ties into the sounds Chewie was subjected to at Cloud City?

There was a nice homage to ANH’s door slamming shut as torture begins too…

A solid mid-episode in this prison arc.

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Top notch as they all have been. Also a nice build up to his getting Serkis on board, at least it seems like it.

Best moment for me was Karn waiting outside the building for Meero. Her reaction was some of the best for her as a character yet. Again, Denise Gough has an incredible ability to portray shock, surprise, fear, nervousness, and anger all in one take, often without saying a word. She is mesmerizing, much more so than just her physical beauty. For me, she is absolutely commanding in every scene.

I feel like Karn is eventually going to let his anger and lack of self discipline get him into trouble. He should be at least thankful that Cassian didn’t kill him when they first came into contact. Typical of his momma’s boy personality, he can only see what he wants, not the good fortune and charity he’s been given.

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This show is incredible, and seems to just keep building on top of itself. The latest episode feels like the first mid-arc episode that had a true ending.

Seeing Kino (Serkis) come around after facing up what they kind of suspected already (that none of them were getting out) was exhilarating. When he finally answered Andor’s question about the guards, I have to admit I was pumped.

I can’t say anything that hasn’t already been said about the acting, production, and storytelling. Just love it all!

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Another banger of an episode, really ramping up with the tension and fear you would feel living under an authoritarian regime. The dread that settles in as word of what happened on level 2 gradually reaches Cassian’s group was particularly well done, and the torture scene must be one of the most disturbing scenes in the franchise. The Empire using the dying screams of the children of an indigenous tribe they massacred to torture information out of prisoners… morbid.

It’s an interesting twist that Vel is Mon Mothma’s cousin, she keeps having surprise family members we didn’t know about. I wonder what their history together is like. It also adds to the line in ep 8 about Vel being a girl running from her rich family, since Chandrila is beginning to seem like the planet where all the wealthy and ignorant people are from.

I can imagine that the dinner scene, where Vel gets asked why she hasn’t got a husband yet, is an awkward real life conversation many a lesbian has been subjected to. Any gay representation is of course a positive, but it’s good that the showrunners haven’t just thrown it on the surface (a la The Rise of Skywalker) so it’s there, instead going in-depth into the complexities and downsides of Cinta and Vel’s relationship. I hope we see more of them since, as a big lover of Kanan and Hera, possibly doomed wartime romances are very much my thing.

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jedi_bendu said:

Chandrila is beginning to seem like the planet where all the wealthy and ignorant people are from.

I think this is just because the only Chandrilans we’ve met are the ones who would travel or move to Coruscant. Tay made it pretty clear that Mon’s way of life on Coruscant is much fancier than the usual Chandrilan lifestyle. I’m hoping we actually get to see Chandrila sometime, and maybe some of its more normal denizens, but the apparent introduction of a Chandrilan mob boss does not achieve that goal.

What exactly do we think happened with Level 2? Did a guy think he was getting released from Level 4, but really he was just reassigned to Level 2, and when the Level 2 prisoners realized the truth, they rioted? Or was he supposed to be released but they made a bureaucratic error? Or…something else? The fact that frying an entire level took so much power that it knocked out power elsewhere in the prison temporarily has interesting implications for the potential of a full-scale riot. On the other hand, the prison does not seem all that difficult to completely flood if commanding officers on the highest level deem it necessary.

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If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.

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NeverarGreat said:

If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.

But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?

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timdiggerm said:

But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?

Perhaps that level of discovery by the prisoners of what really happens is what led to the floor mutiny (or whatever it was). Sort of a - “Fine, we’ll kill the whole section if you don’t like what we’re doing. Anyone else have something they care to say?”.

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timdiggerm said:

NeverarGreat said:

If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.

But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?

I’m imagining that there are two prison systems, one for prisoners who believe that they are working out a temporary sentence and one for prisoners who know that they are in for life. Whenever prisoners complete their sentence in the first system they are transferred to the second system (perhaps in a different building altogether) and so everyone there knows that they have been lied to and they are in for life.

This gets screwed up if someone who was supposed to be released is placed back into the first prison system instead of going to the second, which may be what has happened with the prisoner on Level 2.

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NeverarGreat said:

timdiggerm said:

NeverarGreat said:

If the Empire was trying to trick a group of people into being prisoners for life, I imagine that pretending to release them only to give them a new sentence would only work once. Maybe the prisoners are ‘released’ only to be transported to the neighboring prison building for the remainder of their life sentences, and one prisoner was accidentally placed back in the same building in a different level, at which point the game was up.

But wouldn’t they just be like “…hey I was supposed to be released!” to their new team, and then we end up with the same problem?

I’m imagining that there are two prison systems, one for prisoners who believe that they are working out a temporary sentence and one for prisoners who know that they are in for life. Whenever prisoners complete their sentence in the first system they are transferred to the second system (perhaps in a different building altogether) and so everyone there knows that they have been lied to and they are in for life.

This gets screwed up if someone who was supposed to be released is placed back into the first prison system instead of going to the second, which may be what has happened with the prisoner on Level 2.

Right, I just have a difficult time imagining what that looks like or how it would in any way be productive

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