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Anyone else dislike Rogue One? I feel like the only person. — Page 2

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it just hypes up a new hope a movie that was 39 years old when it came out

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I find Rogue One to be the worst of the new batch of media and it’s not even close.

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Chase Adams said:

Anyone else like Rogue One? I feel like the only person.

Possibly my third favourite Star Wars film, beating Return of the Jedi - although I might revise that. I saw R1 8 times in the cinema.

The breakneck pacing for the first two acts is a complaint, but somehow by the end the amazing third act has made it all feel absolutely fine. I massively appreciate how the film acts as a much-needed bridge between the prequels and the OT, as the whole aesthetic of the prequels was incongruous with what had come before them.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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I love Rogue One, it feels exactly like a story you’d expect in Legends. I think, if i had my way i would have made the first half of the movie be alot more light hearted, and make it a story about a bunch of ragtags who just want to make a bit of money and while they are in the middle of a mission make it where they stumble upon this destructive weapon, which would make the second half more impactful but with all of that said, i love it warts and all.

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Rogue One is my favorite movie.

When I was a kid playing with Star Wars toys, the stories in my head had a look and tone very much like Rogue One and The Mandalorian. Those resonate so strongly with me because it’s like seeing Star Wars the way I’d always imagined it.

OutboundFlight said:

I think the problem is the dull characters. Each has an interesting backstory that should make for an interesting character but watching them interact they all looked so bored. Cassian says he’s been in this fight since he was 6 but we don’t learn why. What motivates him to push further and further towards grey morality, in essence becoming as bad as the Empire to fight the Empire? That should be interesting but it’s never explored.

For me, Star Wars requires a lot of inference, and I think that’s one of its strongest attributes. The first movie drops you right in the middle of a war. You have to figure out what’s going on. They don’t explain who Darth Vader is or why he’s wearing a breathing apparatus. There’s a backstory there, but that’s not the focus at that time.

You description of Cassian Andor actually says a lot. Something traumatic, likely Imperial related, impacted him when he was very young and the Rebellion is very personal to him as a result, and we see the extent of that in the grey morality you mentioned.

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Same for the “Gun Guy” and the “Force Guy” (yes, I’ve forgotten their names). They say in passing they once thought similarly but have since drifted in beliefs. What motivated that and how will they reconcile? Never explored, instead they just offer Jyn weird advice.

The huge Star Destroyer hovering overhead tells me their worldview was also greatly affected by the Imperial raids of their temple. Chirrut still believes in the Force, but Baze who as you’ve mentioned was once the most devoted of all, no longer believes. Eventually Chirrut walks to the control panel they need and Baze sees how the Force protects him from the Death Troopers. Baze’s belief in the Force is restored before his own demise. I especially love the dialogue of both characters.

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Or how about the Pilot? The Pilot is just a walking plot device. He has no characterization other than knowing Imperial stuff. We never learn why he defected or what he believes in, he is just with Galen for whatever reason and knows the tech stuff.

We know a little less about Bodhi, but enough to say his interactions with Galen Erso as a cargo pilot, probably while making deliveries, inspires him to help Galen get his message to Saw. When I think of the Empire, I imagine a lot of people like Bodhi working various jobs who are just caught up in the churn. They’re good people, but feel helpless. They need hope.

“Condense fact from the vapor of nuance.” - Snow Crash

I also think Rogue One has the best space battle in all of Star Wars.

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Shopping Maul said:

I didn’t like it. I had an exchange about this with some folks here on one of the RO threads a while back. I think the actual premise is okay, but the film lines up poorly with ANH, the ‘reactor as deliberate sabotage’ thing doesn’t make sense to me, and the fan service is lame. I do understand why people dig it, but it’s not for me.

I think it lines up perfectly with the original.

Galen’s sabotage is extremely subtle. All reactors in the Star Wars universe are unstable. I took it that he just compromised the exhaust port design in a way that would explode the reactor from the outside. Something that would go unnoticed.

I’d also add that knowing Galen compromised the first Death Star makes the idea of them building a second more feasible. I’m sure if it had been completed, the exhaust port would not have been a detonation point.

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I will say, I did enjoy Rogue One a lot, despite my issues with it. In my eyes, I would say it’s about tied with Revenge of the Sith for best Star Wars movie outside of the OT. I love Gareth Edwards as a director, and think he did a great job with what he was given, and would really want to see a director’s cut if that were possible. From what I know, the film was originally supposed to be more of a gritty war movie, and was reworked and re-shot into more formulaic Star Wars fare, so it would be interesting to see if that last minute change was good or bad for the final product.

But no, I wouldn’t consider it on par with any of the OT. It stands out amid the mediocrity of modern Star Wars, and managed to wow me at several points, but it’s not the same lightning in a bottle that the OT was. I view it as an honorary Star Wars film made out of love for the original films, that does a great job of mimicking those films without feeling overly derivative or disrespectful, but it’s not a masterpiece. Just a solid movie.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Knight of Kalee said:

Rogue One remains my favorite Disney SW film and the one I rewatch the most, but I agree it’s certainly overrated to some extent. Objectively it wouldn’t say it’s the absolute best of the modern films, much less the greatest thing to come out of the saga after the OT. Most of the characters are underdeveloped and the pacing of the first half is all over the place. The CGI resurrection/de-aging of actors remains divisive in hindsight.

However I’ve always welcomed the smaller details and nuances of each movie that make me like them as a whole. What I liked about RO is that it felt interconnected with the wider galaxy. Classical aliens appeared (they were almost nowhere to be seen in the sequels), relevant characters like Mon and Bail played small parts, it acknowledged the prequels, there were direct ties to Rebels, a character from Clone Wars jumped to live action, etc, yet at the same time the new additions, like the Death Troopers or U-Wings, for some reason felt more memorable to me compared with the sequels aesthetic. The grey-vs-grey morality was a welcome change of pace (I also liked TLJ’s approach in this). Most of the time the visuals are majestic. The space battle of Scarif is definitely the best in the Disney era. And it made me appreciate a whole lot more of the events in ANH in hindsight.

I guess I mostly agree with this statement. As others stated, being the best Disney SW film doesn’t say much, so in general, it might be an overrated movie. I also agree that regarding character development, it really doesn’t give you much. However, I had that SW feeling that the new episodes couldn’t give me, even thought they had members of the original cast in it.
As a result, I don’t love the movie, but I also don’t dislike it. It’s pretty well made and has enough highs to make up for the lows.

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‘Last Rogue memory for today:’

‘Yes, there was a conversation between Vader and Tarkin that ended up out of the film.’

^ https://twitter.com/halhickel/status/1356723907215130624

 

a few more images from Hal Hickel’s twitter account re Rogue One:

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here?”

“Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?” - Oddball, of The Awkward Squad

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Chopper’s brief cameo (and the Ghost’s for that matter) was one of the things I unironically loved the most about this movie.

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“General Syndulla” too.

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Others have done a good job already explaining what is great about Rogue One.

For me, as I’ve said many times on this forum, it’s my third favorite Star Wars film behind only Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.

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I never finished it. The Big Dumb Battle at the End started and I bailed. Later on youtube I saw the Vader scene at the end and CGI Leia: ab-so-lute Cringe!

In general all the films after ROTJ have just lacked a certain charm that even the 90s EU had, even when it was really silly.

“It is only through interaction, through decision and choice, through confrontation, physical or mental, that the Force can grow within you.”
-Kreia, Jedi Master and Sith Lord