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Knight of Kalee said:

Maybe influenced by the teachings in Luke’s ancient texts, Rey could have gone on to found a new kind of order to correct the wrongs of the old one after Luke failed to do so.

This kind of thing happened beautifully in the original Duel of the Fates episode IX script, but don’t even get me started on that one.

Sparky, what new canon content are you thinking of, for content that makes it out like this particular line of pupils and masters were the enlightened ones? I didn’t know that was specific to the new EU.

Barriss Offee also realised the dark path of the Order, although it must have driven her a bit nuts.

Oh, and what new EU stuff shows Obi-Wan as very critical of the Jedi? He’s always been a stickler for the rules, and in the Siege of Mandalore arc he seems reluctant to say even the scandalous phrase “Ahsoka, the Council… isn’t always right.” So this sounds very interesting.

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Everything points to this series being the Rebels followup we’ve been anticipating. Since Ahsoka is the main character and the series will take place parallel to the Mandalorian, she will be likely on her quest for Grand Admiral Thrawn (and possibly Ezra). I’m guessing that Sabine Wren will play a part on it and that Dave Filoni will be involved as a creative.

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To be honest, I’m gutted we didn’t get an animated Rebels sequel series. But this sounds good.

I don’t mind if this becomes the thread for the show, although I originally intended it as just a character discussion thread.

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My only issue with her is that it, like with other aspects of TCW, feels incongruous with ROTS.
Is that petty? Probably.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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I guess that’s the impression we all had of her before watching the series. Having seen the entirety of Ahsoka’s arc in that series (particularly the Season 5 finale and the Siege of Mandalore) I think it does wonders for Anakin’s character development and gives him some pretty compelling reasons to turn to the dark side.

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Hal 9000 said:

My only issue with her is that it, like with other aspects of TCW, feels incongruous with ROTS.

At this point my issue is that ROTS feels incongruous with TCW, the superior prequel series.

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Yeah, Hal I think we all felt that way before (and during the early seasons of) the Clone Wars. It needed to justify its own existence- and by the early midpoint it had done that. And by the finale it has absolutely created a net value add, with near zero incongruity.

I know you’ve put years of work into your prequel edits but I have to say I agree with Sade- TCW (at its best) is so strong that I’d personally have ROTS bend over to match TCW than the other way around.

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With the Ahsoka show being a limited series, I was thinking that this may not be a full-fledged ‘Rebels sequel’ as people first thought when it was announced.

I wonder, since Dave Filoni suggested the story he is telling in Mando takes place prior to that epilogue and her ‘Ahsoka the White’ appearance, that maybe this show will delve into how she gets to that point? Perhaps that involves some kind of mystical force journey, a revelation about Anakin and his redemption… maybe something to do with the World Between Worlds (as the logo seems to suggest)?

I just think that the fact alone that the show is called Star Wars: Ahsoka suggests that this won’t be the Search for Ezra story primarily, but instead a personal journey for the character. I think it would be ambitious and really unique to have this spiritual journey to ‘Ahsoka the White’ be the show’s main premise from premiere to finale, that ends with her meeting Sabine and embarking on the search - prompting the actual Rebels sequel. What does everyone else think?

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Hi captainadano, welcome to the site.

I like Rosario Dawson’s Ahsoka, and I’m glad to have her back for a limited show, but I’m also convinced that Ahsoka works best in animation. There you’re not constrained by practical necessity, and Ahsoka can get her Rebels-length head-tails back. I absolutely think that a sequel to Star Wars Rebels should be animated, and judging from the Sabine and Ahsoka artwork Dave Filoni was posting on Twitter for ages, you’d definitely get more than a limited series out of it. The news that the Ahsoka show is shorter than we expected gives me hope.

I also got the sense from the white cloak and staff that Ahsoka had been on some kind of spiritual journey, and it would be quite an outlandish idea if Ahsoka had been given an important role connected to the Force, like keeper of the World Between Worlds or something like that. I hope they go that route.

Also, Rebels characters deserve better than being side characters in a show titled and about Ahsoka.

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After giving it a thought I’m thinking the Rebels characters such as Ezra, Sabine or Thrawn would play a part in the upcoming crossover event between the TV projects set in the New Republic era (Ahsoka, Rangers, Mando and possibly now Boba).

Tying Ahsoka to the World Between World could be a fine way of having her speak in Rise of Skywalker without the need to die.

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I’m imagining all the Jedi we hear in TROS just stood together in the World Between Worlds, watching Rey through one of the portals.

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Thanks, jedi_bendu. I agree, I think animation is an incredible way of telling such a story as the search for Ezra. With such a vast array of new planets I’d expect from exploring the Unknown Regions as well as presumably many, many characters it would probably be a lot more practical for them to do it in animation. I also just love watching animation, and Season 7 of TCW was some of my favourite Star Wars ever - so it would be my choice of medium for that story.

That said, we know Ahsoka, Rangers, Mando and maybe even Book of Boba are set to “culminate in a climactic story event”. I think that whatever it is will be amazing, but I wonder if this will be yet again another pre-epilogue event. Perhaps Ahsoka becomes ‘the White’ after/during that?

You speak of head-tails, I wonder if her transformation into her Rebels epilogue appearance could result in the longer head tails. Just a thought, could be symbolic of her gaining a new sense of life/knowledge to have her lekku/montrals be more full of life. Would go with the appearance change of her gaining the staff and white attire.

Either way, I thought live action Ahsoka was fantastic (kudos to Rosario Dawson’s performance and the entire team who made it happen) and I’m so looking forward to seeing more of her.

Also yes, tying her to the WBW would be really exciting and a great way to explain her TROS situation. Perhaps her story’s end is to become the Guardian of the WBW (that could be the meaning of her appearance?) as she guides and manages the space between the force and material reality.

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Please, call me bendu 😃

captainadano said:

That said, we know Ahsoka, Rangers, Mando and maybe even Book of Boba are set to “culminate in a climactic story event”. I think that whatever it is will be amazing, but I wonder if this will be yet again another pre-epilogue event. Perhaps Ahsoka becomes ‘the White’ after/during that?

In my mind, the epilogue was set shortly after the Empire’s defeat maybe at Jakku - it has the feeling of relief, new-found hope, the arrival of a New Republic ship and x-wings signalling a new era for Lothal. This isn’t a rational reason at all, but just because of the vibe it has I hope we don’t push it too far back.

You speak of head-tails, I wonder if her transformation into her Rebels epilogue appearance could result in the longer head tails. Just a thought, could be symbolic of her gaining a new sense of life/knowledge to have her lekku/montrals be more full of life. Would go with the appearance change of her gaining the staff and white attire.

It’s canon that togruta head-tails grow longer with age (I like this a lot) and Ahsoka had hers long throughout rebels, this retcon would seem really odd to me.

sade1212 said:

I’m imagining all the Jedi we hear in TROS just stood together in the World Between Worlds, watching Rey through one of the portals.

That means they’d have been able to enter through the portal and join the battle. Lazy bastards!

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If the show inlcudes Matt Sloan as Plo Koon in a ghost form, Rosario might interact with him.

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So my girlfriend actually had this complaint about Mando that didn’t even cross my mind and I didn’t see anyone else talk about: she said that Ahsoka in Chapter 13 was very out of character, in not wanting to train Grogu because of his attachment to Din, and she argued that it goes against Ahsoka’s TCW arc.

I guess in a way Ahsoka does leave the orthodox PT Jedi way behind when she refuses to come back to the order, but I’m not sure if that means she disagrees that attachments are bad and potentially lead to the dark side. At the end of the Clone War she just thinks the Jedi lost their connection to the real world and are little more than war mongers, even if some of them have an honest heart. Plus the only other, more affectionate, loving and compassionate Jedi she knew was Anakin, whom she formed a strong bond with, but we all know where that led him.

So I disagreed with my girlfriend, but I saw where she was coming from, that Ahsoka isn’t meant to be a PT Jedi, in fact quite the opposite. But I’m not too big on TCW myself, and only saw Rebels once, so maybe there are more factors here that I’m not considering. What do you Ahsoka and TCW/Rebels fans think?

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Omni said:

So my girlfriend actually had this complaint about Mando that didn’t even cross my mind and I didn’t see anyone else talk about: she said that Ahsoka in Chapter 13 was very out of character, in not wanting to train Grogu because of his attachment to Din, and she argued that it goes against Ahsoka’s TCW arc.

I guess in a way Ahsoka does leave the orthodox PT Jedi way behind when she refuses to come back to the order, but I’m not sure if that means she disagrees that attachments are bad and potentially lead to the dark side. At the end of the Clone War she just thinks the Jedi lost their connection to the real world and are little more than war mongers, even if some of them have an honest heart. Plus the only other, more affectionate, loving and compassionate Jedi she knew was Anakin, whom she formed a strong bond with, but we all know where that led him.

So I disagreed with my girlfriend, but I saw where she was coming from, that Ahsoka isn’t meant to be a PT Jedi, in fact quite the opposite. But I’m not too big on TCW myself, and only saw Rebels once, so maybe there are more factors here that I’m not considering. What do you Ahsoka and TCW/Rebels fans think?

I’ve seen this complaint before, and I absolutely see where your girlfriend is coming from. Ahsoka had an attachment herself once, a bit of a crush on Lux Bonteri by the look of it, but knew she couldn’t follow up on it. I think that’s no coincidence that that arc takes place in season 5, the same season she leaves the Jedi Order; she must have partly resented the Jedi dogma and strict rules, which were made out of fear. Ahsoka was young and wanted to feel free, probably seeing the Jedi as wrong for acting out of fear this way. So the thought that her behaviour in Mando feels weird occurred to me as well.

I think the key influence was her duel with Darth Vader on Malachor. Dave Filoni has emphasised before that the events at Malachor leave a lasting impact on all the characters, and I think this is the damage it did to Ahsoka: she absolutely must have known that Anakin and Padmé were in love, and seeing Anakin as Vader breaks her heart. It’s interesting that Ahsoka’s “better to let his abilities fade” is a contrast to Luke saying “he will not be safe until he masters his abilities” later in the season, which is pretty much what Mando argued in Chapter 13. Ahsoka seems to be acting out of fear herself in The Mandalorian. Ahsoka still has a long way to go in upcoming shows, and it may be that as she continues to grow as a character she will eventually be free from the impact of Anakin and Vader.

Last point: I find it weird how Star Wars treats the “no attachments” Jedi rule. Humans including myself usually view love as a good thing, and you’d think that Star Wars would show how that dogma is wrong, but it’s forever ‘proving’ that it’s correct! Anakin marries secretly and his intensely protective nature causes his fall to evil, Grogu hurts others because of his bond with Din Djarin, and even Luke probably regrets saying “he will not be safe until he masters his abilities,” in a few years, after teaching Ben Solo everything he knows and inadvertently creating a powerful threat. Man, we should have got Colin Trevorrow’s Episode IX. That showed how Rey could be the perfect balance of anger, sadness, fear, love and the rest of it. We would have finally got that issue sorted out! But I digress.

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I don’t think it conflicts with her personality at all. We see her start out young and idealistic, but she spends her entire Jedi career fighting a war and is slowly hardened somewhat by it. She has questions about how the Jedi are handling everything, but has respect for the more experienced Anakin and Obi-Wan, so she suppresses her doubt. After leaving the Jedi and looking at things from the outside, she sees things more objectively and her doubts become more justified in her eyes. Combine these doubts with narrowly surviving Order 66, and later on encountering Anakin as Vader, and I can she how she would want to proceed with extreme caution.

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A natural journey for Ahsoka from here on out would be coming back from this state of mind, and letting go of her past experiences (actually, we saw this journey a little in her Rebels s4 episode, where she helped Ezra let go of his master just like how she knew she had to let go of her own).

As you said, the series of unfortunate events that have unfolded upon Ahsoka since the Wrong Jedi arc have left her tired and probably hurting - as anyone would be. She’s lost so many people, and most of that has been because of the hubris of the Jedi, and her realisation that they’re not the heroes she thought they were as a youngling/younger padawan. Hence I would understand why she wouldn’t want to train Grogu in the ways of the Jedi.

I view Mandalorian Ahsoka as someone still engulfed in her grief. She is sad, alone and hasn’t received closure. The last time we saw her (not including the Rebels epilogue), she was limping down the steps into the shadows of a Sith temple after finding out for sure Anakin was one of the most “vile” Sith Lords in the galaxy. I wouldn’t expect her to come out of that feeling hopeful and restored (although, there has been a decade passed since then in the timeline, so I can’t be fully sure on that).

To me, I think her Return on Lothal, with the white staff and cloak, may symbolise her getting that closure - an overcoming of the hurt left from her battle with Vader and from the people she’s lost; a commitment to fulfil her promise to someone who she viewed as not dissimilar to her younger, pre-Empire self, reckless but full of optimism: Ezra. Perhaps with that comes a sense of selflessness, granting her the right to wield the staff which I’m sure possesses some kind of greater power.

She could even seek out Grogu at some point - this could be the long-awaited Luke and Ahsoka meeting.

I hope we see this journey in the live action show. It would be a meaningful, important use of a limited series dedicated to her. I could see it involving Mortis and the mythological elements of the force. Perhaps seeing Anakin’s force ghost, redeemed, may give her closure? I’d love if the last episode saw her arriving to meet Sabine from her point-of-view, sort of allowing the threads to meet and give a clear point to continue from in a Rebels sequel series.