TheBoost said:
TheBoost said:
EyeShotFirst said:
And they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. I don't think you can be sane and not feel some remorse for bad things you've done. I know I would. I regret some shit I said when I was 5. Hell, I regret some shit I posted on here a year ago.
Get over it, jerk!
I regret saying that. Sorry.
I was about to cry and then I laughed. Wow, I feel kinda raped.
"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas
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TheBoost said:
TheBoost said:
EyeShotFirst said:
And they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. I don't think you can be sane and not feel some remorse for bad things you've done. I know I would. I regret some shit I said when I was 5. Hell, I regret some shit I posted on here a year ago.
Get over it, jerk!
I regret saying that. Sorry.
Well done.
This is a very sad story.
Part of me wonders, though, if the impetus of this is the Dulcinea Effect in play, though. We don't really know the circumstances of what happened, but this man jumped in to save a random woman from an argument that turned "physical." I wonder if he didn't act too rashly. After all, it didn't seem like the woman he was saving had much respect for him or any desire to do the right thing herself, since she apparently didn't seek any medical aid for him and instead just heartlessly left him to die. Makes me think she was a bit shady in the first place, and the poor man just jumped in because of some mis-aimed need to rescue the damsel in distress.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
You can wonder, but what if you are wrong?
Even if the this was a simple case of a man and a woman arguing, the man attempting to intervene was trying to do the right thing. And he was stabbed multiple times and left to bleed to death. Even if the man was butting into a situation where he had no business, should his punishment be a brutal execution?
Gandalf said:Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends.
Whoah, whoah. I certainly didn't say the man deserved to die. Or be injured at all. And, of course, I'm just speculating. But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it. For all we know (and again, just speculating), she could have been the one who turned the argument "physical" in the first place. And based on the actions of the woman afterwards, it didn't appear that she deserved to have this man die for her. I do believe the unfortunate man was attempting to do the right thing. I never suggested otherwise.
Let me illustrate a hypothetical example. Let's say the man and the woman were walking down the street having an argument. They're both really pissed off, and then the woman just starts wailing on the man. Beating the shit out of him. The man manages to forceably restrain her, but she's writhing and screaming for him to let go of her. Guy turns the corner and sees this scene and runs to the aid of this "damsel in distress." Now the man is being attacked by both his girlfriend and a random homeless guy. Things turn for the worse...
Now, if witnesses are correct (and why the hell didn't these witnesses call an ambulence?!) and the homeless man had been walking behind them for a while, hopefully he would have had better context than that, but you never know for sure.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Gaffer Tape said:But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it.
which is worse, rushing to the aid of a women that doesn't need help, or not rushing to aid of a woman that does need help?
Good point. You're right. We should all reach out to people who need help.
EDIT: Removed tangential question that really doesn't belong in this thread at this moment.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Warbler said:
Gaffer Tape said:But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it.
which is worse, rushing to the aid of a women that doesn't need help, or not rushing to aid of a woman that does need help?
This is really all I was getting at, Warb just said it better. I didn't mean mean to sound aggressive with my earlier response.
hmmm, I'd be interesting in hear this "tangential" question. If you think it doesn't here, perhaps you could find an appropriate thread or create one?
Gaffer Tape said:
But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it.
Perhaps I'm hung up on semantics, but if she's in distress, doesn't she need help?
People can be crappy in the most petty ways too.
There's a chap in our street in his eighties who struggles with a walking frame and I was out getting some groceries today and he asked me to wait at the bus stop and flag the bus down for him.
When the bus came around the corner he was near the stop but couldn't move any faster.
He directed the driver to wait but the driver went right passed him, I directed him to stop but he didn't, I then flagged the bus down myself and told him the chap wanted to get on the bus and he said he wouldn't wait.
I asked the driver to back up and pick the guy up but he wouldn't and told me to get my foot of the bus or he would drive off.
He drove off leaving me fuming and the poor guy out of breath.
He's a bus driver, if he doesn't want to pick up passengers he should get a different job.
TheBoost said:
Gaffer Tape said:
But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it.
Perhaps I'm hung up on semantics, but if she's in distress, doesn't she need help?
I'm sure was Gaffer actually meant was "men will rush to the aid of a woman that looks like she's in distress whether or not she actually needs it. "
For those of you not familiar with Jamaica, Queens - I can tell you there's no way I would have stopped to help. That's a really rough area for crime & drugs. I used to pass through that train station every day because I had to switch trains there. I was fine up on the platform, but the streets below were ugly - Bronx burned out buildings & cars ugly.
One day I fell asleep on the train and missed the Jamaica stop, so I had to get off at the next stop - the LIRR employees stop just outside of Jamaica. I had to walk back through Jamaica to get to the station. I was openly approached twice to buy, and also had some very rough looking characters yelling shit at me from across the street. I ducked into a bodega to ask for directions and the guy completely ignored me. Guess they didn't get many white fellas walking through at 6:30 AM (I worked night shift for several years). I eventually got off the street and walked along the tracks all the way back to the Jamaica station.
I made it back to the Jamaica station, with my heart racing and my beard iced-over (it was January), and caught my usual train to the Five Towns.
Like I said - no way in hell I'm stopping to help or getting involved in the first place, not in Jamaica. Sorry, but dying for an ungrateful stranger isn't the right thing to do for my family.
Anchorhead said:
For those of you not familiar with Jamaica, Queens - I can tell you there's no way I would have stopped to help. That's a really rough area for crime & drugs. I used to pass through that train station every day because I had to switch trains there. I was fine up on the platform, but the streets below were ugly - Bronx burned out buildings & cars ugly.
sounds like Camden, NJ. Even I wouldn't walk through some of the streets there without a gun.
Anchorhead said:
I had to walk back through Jamaica to get to the station. I was openly approached twice to buy,
can we assume whatever it was they were selling was illegal to sell?
Anchorhead said:
Like I said - no way in hell I'm stopping to help or getting involved in the first place, not in Jamaica. Sorry, but dying for an ungrateful stranger isn't the right thing to do for my family.
but in this case, you wouldn't have had to stop in order to help, just get out your cell phone and dial 911.
Gaffer Tape said:
Makes me think she was a bit shady in the first place, and the poor man just jumped in because of some mis-aimed need to rescue the damsel in distress.
Jousting at windmills, perhaps. Seems like the sort of stupid kind of shit I would do if in that kind of situation. Maybe I should be more callous...
"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape
Warbler said:
can we assume whatever it was they were selling was illegal to sell?
Drugs.
Warbler said:
but in this case, you wouldn't have had to stop in order to help, just get out your cell phone and dial 911.
I get the feeling you want to debate this issue a little more than I care to, or try to hold people accountable for actions that haven't happened.
Let me be clear about this. If I see the situation is completely safe for me to render aid of one form or another, I will. If I sense a risk that may take me away from my family, I'm staying away.
Warbler said:
TheBoost said:
Gaffer Tape said:
But it does seem to be a problem with our society that men will rush to the aid of a woman in distress whether or not she actually needs it.
Perhaps I'm hung up on semantics, but if she's in distress, doesn't she need help?
I'm sure was Gaffer actually meant was "men will rush to the aid of a woman that looks like she's in distress whether or not she actually needs it. "
Haha, I guess you're both right. I guess what I was saying is that men have a tendency to jump in with overbearing machismo even with situations that don't warrant it. Like that guy at a bar who sees a couple having a fight and throws in his classic, "The lady said no!" line without having any idea if the woman needs, warrants, or wants help in this altercation.
Oh, and as for my tangential question, I was just wondering whether anyone thought someone might have helped the stabbed man more quickly if he was a helpless-looking bleeding woman instead. But I retracted it because I felt like I'd already supposed too much gender debate into this topic.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
If you're looking for trends, here a Bystander Effect story from last year:
http://www.inquisitr.com/24533/woman-raped-in-washington-park-as-hundreds-watched-nobody-intervened
Anchorhead said:
Warbler said:
but in this case, you wouldn't have had to stop in order to help, just get out your cell phone and dial 911.
I get the feeling you want to debate this issue a little more than I care to, or try to hold people accountable for actions that haven't happened.
just what actions, that haven't happened, am I trying to hold what people accountable for? You said you didn't want to help because it might put your own life at risk. I wasn't simply pointing out that there was a way to help, in this situation, that wouldn't have put your own life at risk. It seemed a logical thing to point out. Sorry if it bothered you.
Anchorhead said:
Let me be clear about this. If I see the situation is completely safe for me to render aid of one form or another, I will. If I sense a risk that may take me away from my family, I'm staying away.
logical and understandable.
Gaffer Tape said:
Haha, I guess you're both right. I guess what I was saying is that men have a tendency to jump in with overbearing machismo even with situations that don't warrant it. Like that guy at a bar who sees a couple having a fight and throws in his classic, "The lady said no!" line without having any idea if the woman needs, warrants, or wants help in this altercation.
true. nonetheless, my statement above about which is worse . . . still stands.
Gaffer Tape said:
Oh, and as for my tangential question, I was just wondering whether anyone thought someone might have helped the stabbed man more quickly if he was a helpless-looking bleeding woman instead. But I retracted it because I felt like I'd already supposed too much gender debate into this topic.
probably true, especially if the woman were attractive.
Okay. Well, I went for a walk tonight, and just as I was about to turn around, I noticed a little circular, walled-in area with a statue of a guy playing a piano that I had never noticed before (I live right off of Music Square in Nashville, so this kind of thing isn't uncommon). I decided to take a closer look at it, but as I got inside, I noticed a man curled up on the ground, his face to the brick. I leaned in for a closer look and didn't see any signs of violence. So after that, I uncomfortably turned around and walked back home.
Should I have stopped to see if this guy was alright? I wasn't sure. I'm still not. Moving here was the first time I saw homeless people on a regular basis. And most of my encounters with them end up with me sacrificing some of my money. And as a retail clerk, that's not really money I can spare at the moment, but I can't really find the heart to say no to them (until they start badgering me for more after I've just given them some). But at any rate, I've gotten used to seeing them, and, chances are, this was just a homeless guy taking a nap in an unobtrusive spot. I could have called 911 and let the police sort it out, but if he was just sleeping, they would have awakened him and booted him out. Then I would have just ruined that guy's day.
If he was dead, well, he's dead. I can't really do anything for him. He didn't look like he was in pain or injured in any way, so it seemed to me like it was either one of the two.
Nonetheless, it still made me think of this discussion. So I'm really not sure.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Geez, I'm beginning to wonder if everyone here is just so disgusted with me, and that's why this thread suddenly died...
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
I still think you're avatar is hot, if that's what you're asking.
TV's Frink said:
I still think you're avatar is hot, if that's what you're asking.
I also think you are avatar is hot.
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