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I was actually becoming interested in this new boxset and seeing what they were gonna do for the 30th Anniversary and it seems a bit of a shame they might not release something to celebrate, Im not surprised at lucklustre sales of the 9/12 disks myself considering the hammering they got on Amazon and on other places, all of my friends who grew up with the films were interested at the start and having the original versions on DVD for nostalgic reasons but once they found they were non-anomorphic they didnt bother and just stuck with the release they bought in 2004.
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Originally posted by: Jumpman<br

So again, if he really wants to mend fences with certain circles, then he should release them remastered. But, I think Lucas should continue to push for what he feels Star Wars really is (since this is his creation from pretty much top to bottom)....because again, it's not like changed them in the manner of say Kingdom of Heaven or Alexander. He changed some things that would've been that way had he had what he needed back when he was originally making these films....



But Jumpman, you keep blaming fans like me for bitching when the whole DVD sinces its inception has been botched. When you have a creator say 'this' version doesn't exist, you have to understand that people will take offense to that statement, cause I watched and loved those versions for 20 years, and now your telling me they are crap?

I have always been of the group of fans that there are room for the SE & OOT in EVERY release, just like The Abyss, just like LOTR, just like Superman, just like Terminator 2, that is the way it is when you change a movie after its been released for many years, you are going to have people that like one version over the other.

But for Lucas to say the OOT doesn't exist in 2003, then put it out in 2006 in laserdisk quality and not expect fans to get pissed, I don't know what else to say. He deliberately put them out to look worse then the SE, so people would not make that choice. Trust me, I have compared them, the SE looks spectacular on an HDTV, and the OOT looks all grainy and dull, and that is what Lucas was trying to accomplish, make the fan go back to the SE cause the OOT is so crappy, yet still take their money.

As for SW and DVD releases, most friends I know don't give a shit anymore, and don't go on the internet like you and I, so whatever is said on either side is not a true gauge of the 'majority' But I did notice this is the first time in my life of being a SW fan that many of my friends are just fed up with the whole thing and think it is a joke. I know many friends who won't buy the rumored Saga boxset just out of principle, cause they are tired of rebuying the damn movies every year, and feel they are getting their chains yanked.

I just remember back in the early 90's when the OT was being released and released on VHS & Laserdisk, my friends and I would run out the day it came out, even though nothing was changed back then. But what Lucas has created has been a mistrust amongst the fanbase because he is all over the place. Many Saga fans feel betrayed he went back on his word for releasing the OOT last year, and many of us here just want the versions we loved from 77-96 in great quality. So what Lucas has done has just made most people put their hands up and shake their heads towards this whole matter.
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This news basically confirms something I've been thinking about, and that is that this new box set was never intended to be the "holy grail" of Star Wars DVDs. No new deleted scenes, no new documentaries, no remastered OOT - just the same shit repackaged again, with maybe a few more minor (and forgettable) extras, and maybe a CGI Yoda in TPM. I'm still surprised, though, that they didn't sling this box set out anyway. It just goes to show how pointless and poorly timed the 2006 release was.
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CO,

As far as I can tell, Lucas never said they were crap and even if he did, fans don't have to consider them crap. We all know Lucas considers mostly the original film in its theatrical form as a "work print." Now, obviously he would never say that in the press during the time of its release, but that doesn't change the fact that he may have had serious problems with the film during its intial run and that's bugged him for very long time and I tend to agree. I'm not saying the theatrical version of Episode IV doesn't work because it obviously does. It's my favorite Star Wars film. But, I'm not naive or bias to not see that they were some serious cosmetic flaws that could be corrected using new technology.

Now, the argument goes, "well, those cosmetic flaws won Academy Awards." And I would say, they sure did mainly because nobody had seen anything quite like the work that was done in Star Wars, during that time in cinema. They had better reward that film properly. But, and like Lucas, I felt that some of those things could be corrected to suit what Lucas was originally going for.

CO, you can't tell me The Battle of Yavin doesn't look 20 times better in its Special Edition for than the theatrical version?

As for that 2006 release, I'll even admit that Lucasfilm screwed the pooch on that one...eventhough I think it was right to call the theatrical films in that 2 disc set as "bonus material" mainly because to Lucas, the Special Editions are the films. And to him, he's already spent the money on remaster and restoring the films....the films he deems Original Trilogy. But, as I've stated, it would've essentially closed the gap between creator and fanbase had he remastered the theatrical versions.

I see the argument both ways.

But, Lucas didn't deployed Stormtroopers across the country, making the fanbase buy these DVD releases either. That's purely choice. You knew exactly what was in the set from day one....
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I guess I'm just one of the small few that felt enhancing the Original Trilogy was actually for the better instead of the worse...except for "Jedi Rocks." Even I can't defind that. And yet, I don't want it to go back to how it original was because that doesn't work either....
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Jumpman, if the originals were done right (i.e. with the same effort as fucking KRULL) the bitching really would stop, trust me. You would have the Star Wars Intranet all to yourself, won't that be great? Just go have a look at theforce.net, it's already there. "Isn't this saga full of continuity?" "It sure is."
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As I said time and time again, there will never be a release of the OOT in up-to-date quality, and the release of deleted scences and all that good features will never be released for eons to come. Our only choice is to get used to four bars or suffer with bootlegs. This whole non-anamorphic "curse" has even made me bitter about HD TV's that are becoming commonplace nowadays. Time and time again, it only proves to me that Lucas wants every shred of the OOT destroyed for over 15 years. The 30th anniversary has now become a time of despair and bitterness. The bottom line is SW is dead.
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Its the same dillemma i keep bringing up over and over again: how does the existance of the OOT invalidate the SE? It doesn't, and obviously Lucas has realised this, or elese there wouldn't be the 2006 release. I really don't care if Lucas changes the SE more, if he replaces Yoda with CGI and replaces Chewbacca with Jar Jar (hey, that wouldn't change the story, right? the character would have the same lines and story function but would allow Lucas to realise his "vision" beyond man-in-suit capabilities of 1977). Honestly, they are indeed films he financed and/or directed himself and it is his right to change them as he wishes; i don't think anyone has debated this. The problem is the repression of the OOT, the notion that it "doesn't exist", or i guess now "didn't exist" since he has finally acknowledged it. When Ridley Scott re-cut Alien in 2003, he included the theatrical edition because it was a valid and much-loved film in its own right; when James Cameron released Aliens in 2003, he included the theatrical cut in addition to his directors cut because it is a valid and much-loved film in its own right; when Coppola recut Apocalypse Now, it was released with both versions because the original is a monumental and superior film than the expanded version; the same dual-inclusion was benefitted the entire LOTR trilogy, Terminator 2, Gladiator, and Dawn of the Dead was released in a 2004 boxset with all FOUR different versions of the film intact. Star Wars is not some horribly botched effort that failed, that met poor box office and critical confusion--unlike, for example, Alexander. Star Wars changed the world of Hollywood more than Casablanca and Godfather combined, it was the most successful and popular motion picture EVER MADE. To deny the world this film and then claim it doesn't exist is completely absurd, asinine and ludicrous. Obviously Lucas was dissapointed with trhe technical limitations he faced--in fact he lamented these things in 1977. No director will ever be satisfied with their work--a truism asserted with the SE itself, which was redone in 2004!! But to repress that original groundbreaking 1977 film in a completely absurd and egotistical logical paradox about artistic right is just fucking dumb.

Which brings me to another point, and another dillemma that i keep raising. The point of the SE, at least initially, was to "correct" or enhance the technical limitations of the special effects that prevented the film in 1977 from achieving the scale and dynamism that Lucas was shooting for. But the problem is that you can't really undo the historical context with which a movie is made with. Sure, the SE has some interesting additions, but the special effects are not much more advanced--the new Battle of Yavin, while still interesting and more dynamic, still looks phony and CG-ish in the new scenes, and really sticks out with the CG aesthetic of 1997. Look at Jabba--he looked like complete shit at the time, a horrible, CGI botch that did not do anything to advance the story other than ruining the pacing, and the technical level of this "enhancement" was so poor that it had to be redone AGAIN in 2004, in a version that looks different but not any more realistic, nor does it have continuity with ROTJ or TPM. My point is this: The SE has all the aesthtic and limitations of 1997 CGI technology in the same way that Star Wars has all the aesthtic and limitations of 1977 technology and AOTC 2002 technology. You can always tell. The films we call "timeless"--Star Wars and Wizard of Oz being the best avatars of this label--are not truely timeless. Oz has the musical format, aesthtic and vernacular of a late 30's Hollywood production, and its technical limitations are often obvious. Star Wars too is fairly timeless but it has certain technical limitations and aesthtics that date it from the late 70's; Attack of the Clones has the same clues that date it to the turn of the millennium. My point is that at a certain point you have to step back and realise that films are a product of their era and you just have to accept this. Now instead of having 1977 FX, Star Wars has 1977 and 1997 FX that are equally dated looking. If the film was redone from scratch today, in 50 years you would have people going "this looks so 2007." It just happens. You will never get it "timeless," in the true sense of the word. Star Wars is a monumental piece of cinema that has a very important place in history as a film released in the late 70's--just deal with it. Nothing has stopped people from enjoying Gone With the Wind or Wizard of Oz just because the films are not "modern" or whatever.

And finally, the SE is not even about fixing technical mistakes. Its now about changing story. The first SE, the 1997 one, was truely about simply updatinbg and enhancing the films, a sort of fun experiment to try out new CG technology and bring a new audience to the films. But since the prequels were made, Lucas went off about the originals not existing and wanting only the I-VI "Tragedy of Darth Vader" being available, and then he started tying the prequels to the originals by adding Naboo and Hayden Christenson, among other things, to the originals. The 1977-1983 trilogy is a completely different series from the I-VI Tragedy of Darth Vader that was completed in 2005, and Lucas is acknowledging this by hammering the dividing line between "originals" and "prequels" into oblivion--the prequels are not backstory, they are simply story, the first half of the saga, and the prequels are now changing the originals. The SE is not only about the films looking better, they are different films and and different experiences unto themselves.


Look, no one is saying Lucas doesnt have a right to do this, they are his movies, but just as if Merrian C. Cooper replaced Kong with a CGI model, the world is understanable outraged and perplexed by the exclusion of the OOT. Fuck Cooper's right to change his own film, we all acknowledge that and its his right, but for fucks sake dont surpress the original, one of the most important works of art history in the category of film. What i cant believe is that there are so many idiotic Star Wars fans that are going along with Lucas' idiocy and not challenging him (and even being confused about why so many are upset).

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very well said zombie, couldn't agree more

the smashed dividing line you talk about has been a point of contention over the SE's, I also think. Lucas really does live in his own little world and simply doesn't acknowledge that people actually don't want to sit through very obviously pandering updates. Yea, back in '97 I don't think I thought of the updates as anything more than cool things to do now that the movies are back on the big screen. Nevertheless, there was always that part of my brain that clearly recognized "this is from 1977, that is from 1997." Then I found out they were cut into the actual o-neg. Hypocrisy is the only word my vocabulary can muster when he 1) talks about his kids not growing up to enjoy the movies he grew up with, 2) alters the o-negs of three movies simply because he's now the one with legal control and finally 3) cranks out 4:3, borderline unwatchable transfers of 3 of the greatest movies ever made and then makes commercials with parents talking about how their kids can see what they grew up with as if he's doing us some sort of favor. And this was taken from the depths of the Lucasfilm archives?

Another thing about the dividing line is that Lucas isn't revising history to make it seem like all six movies were made concurrently with one another. There's a real sense of history in the '04 discs which is why I'm all the more frustrated with it. Lucas is never getting around the fact that these were first released in '77-'85 anyway unless he just totally remakes it from scratch as you mentioned. That's why he doesn't really have a leg to stand on in regards to the originals "not existing." This is why I can't see any reason for him just not remastering the originals and getting it over with. What really is he afraid of? That if people can watch the originals in the same quality as the SE that they won't watch the SE anymore? I sure as hell don't see why some people would stop watching the SE, they seem to prefer it to the originals (don't ask me why). No, I think Lucas is safe in that respect, but he does still owe it to the fans to stop all of this nonsense. And to the people who say "Lucas owes you nothing" I can't help but get the impression that you think of yourselves as his bodyguards or something. That if you don't go along with what he thinks then you are automatically wrong. Arguing that Lucas doesn't owe the OOT fans anything implies that he does owe the SE fans something.
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If Lucas just released the original versions restored in '04, no one would be complaining. It would have been different if Lucas had just said back with the '04 release that they wanted to get the OT on dvd sooner rather than later and there was a lot of material they didn't have time/space for. He could have just said there would be a more elaborate box set with the original films restored in '07. It might have cost him sales in the long run since some people would have passed on the dvd set but he would have gained a lot more respect eventually. I think this delay is good because I think LFL will be more likely to release a quality set rather than all the existing dvd's and put them in one box. I wonder if there has been some argument at LFL about what to include with some people pushing for the OOT restored and Lucas resisting. I also wonder if the '06 set will still be limited. LFL will definitely want something star wars on the shelf and an individual release might be seen as drawing more sales than a box set that can be easily found used, separately on amazon.

How many complaints do you hear about the walkie talkies in E. T.? Very few because the dvd in 2002 also contained the original theatrical release. The Criterion dvd of Brazil even has the infamous love conquers all version and everybody knows how much Terry Gilliam hated that version. Blade Runner will be released with all versions later this year.

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For some reason the "release a high quality original trilogy"-type bitching is lumped in with the "Lucas/prequel sucks!"-type bitching, and they are 2 separate things. Regarding the original trilogy, this "fans will never be satisfied thing" is fucking nuts. In the first few years of dvd, some movies were notorious for having bad transfers. People bitched. Good transfers eventually were done. Bitching over.
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I absolutely agree, KM and Guy. This has only really been a problem so long as the movies have been on the dvd format. A theatrical re-release is one thing, that's not something you can actually take home and watch. When the SE's hit vhs later that year, they were just as limited as the previous OOT vhs releases in terms of their format. It wasn't until 2004 when this became an issue, because suddenly the SE was good enough for dvd but not the OOT. Laserdisc was the highest quality way to watch the OOT back then, and guess what? It still is. No one was happy with the GOUT release, but some of them simply accepted it and bought it anyway. The "some people will never be satisfied" argument is only used because there will always be some crazy people out there who want every single Star Wars related thing in existence pertaining to the original movies, and I think that even they too would be quite happy if the OOT was restored and remastered. So I don't want to hear this kind of "some people will never be satisfied" argument anymore. I think the reason the "prequels/Lucas suck" gets lumped in with the "release a high quality original trilogy" is that some people have a hard time seperating the creator from his creation.
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Originally posted by: Jumpman


CO, you can't tell me The Battle of Yavin doesn't look 20 times better in its Special Edition for than the theatrical version?


This is a key point, cause many years ago I used to be on your side with this example. I used to like some updates that Lucas made with the SE, but the problem is what one person sees as a good change, another might see as a bad change. A friend of mine who hated the Greedo shooting first change back in 1997 told me right after the SE release that year after I sorta defended them, "The problem is when a director starts changing movies, you may like some at first, but eventually there will be one that really pisses you off, and then you will hate that he even tampered with them to begin with."

That is exactly what happened to me, I put up with Greedo shooting first, cause I did like the Yavin battle cleaned, and many other things didn't bother me that bad. Fast forward to 2004 and Lucas inserts Hayden into ROTJ, WHOA!!!!!!!! Wait a second here, I never had a problem with updating effects, but now you are replacing actors? So what happened is I went from a SE defender to a SE hater, cause I got fed up with the changes, and started just hating anything about the SE. I started to then REALLY hate Jedirocks, and then I started to despise Greedo shooting first, and then Lucas takes out Lukes wink to the force ghost too?

That is why I believe that you can't go and tamper with films, because there is always going to be someone out there who has seen the movies a zillion times who may really hate one or more changes. Some people despise JediRocks the most, some Greedo shooting first, some like me who hate Hayden in ROTJ the most, it just gets to the point where you just go back to the OOT and say the experiment failed.

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Originally posted by: zombie84
You will never get it "timeless," in the true sense of the word. Star Wars is a monumental piece of cinema that has a very important place in history as a film released in the late 70's--just deal with it. Nothing has stopped people from enjoying Gone With the Wind or Wizard of Oz just because the films are not "modern" or whatever.


Zombie this is why I believe Lucas will keep updating the OT films and eventually the PT too, he doesn't want a new generation to look at them and not watch them because of their age. Now I totally disagree cause great movies always stand the test of time, but I do have friends wont watch black and white movies soley because we all grew up in color movies.

Just take King Kong 1933 for example, how many kids today are going to watch that over King Kong 2005? I think King Kong 1933 is a better movie then Peter Jacksons movie, and when I do watch it I am amazed at the technology they were able to translate on screen for that time, but I suspect most moviegoers are not going to rent some black & white King Kong when they can watch CG King Kong in color.

Now I am not defending these types of moviegoers, but I think that Lucas is scared 20 years from that if he didn't update the OT movies, people would look at them they way they look at King Kong 1933, only cause they grew up in an age of CG the way all of us grew up in color movies.

So I think Lucas will redo Jabba in ANH again sometime in the future, and Yoda in TPM, and something else that he deemed 'old' looking. The reason I feel this way is that Lucas didn't stop after 1997, and if he never touched the OT films after the SE 1.0, then I would concede that he wanted to do somethings he couldn't do in the 70's. But once they redid Jabba in the SE 2.0, I knew they keep saying, "This one looks better then the '97 Jabba, just wait 10 years and he will look just like the ROTJ Puppet!"

And this is why I always never understood why Lucas supressed the OOT, he could have accomodated both fans and still succeeded in what he was trying to accomplish, never make a new generation feel the effects are so dated they lose sight of the quality of the movie. Most new fans would watch the SE, cause they wouldn't know about Han shooting first or Sebastian Shaw, so they would have no frame of reference towards that matter, they would just see the new Yavin battle that is spruced up and enjoy it for that. In the same vein, we the generation that grew up with the OOT could enjoy the movies for their effects cause we have a frame of reference of how cool these effects were at their time.

I really think the SE are purely marketing in a sense that every new version has something new so it gives the fan something to look forward to, and partially Lucas doesn't want SW to be deemed inferior to todays movies. What Lucas miscalculated is that many movies that are regarded with cool effects that blew everyone away like Independence Day and Twister, no one gives a shit about anymore cause they are only good to show off your surround sound system, and are a pure guilty pleasure movie with zero story, zero substance, and zero character development, and SW was successful because it had all of those qualities along with great effects.

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and that's pretty much how I felt back in '97 seeing the SE. It didn't feel like the same movie because it wasn't the same movie. The biggest way in which some fans have been duped is thinking that these movies are legally Lucas's. Guess what? ANH wasn't even his until the mid-90's. Star Wars '77 was a studio picture that Lucas directed. The sequels were legally Lucas's but he did not direct them. Eventually he got hold of the total rights to ANH...just in time to turn it into a different movie. Do you see what happenned here? Look at the end credits of Star Wars SE, it only says copyright 1997 LFL. So please, unless those rumors about Lucas's divorce settlement with Marcia are true, please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT.
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Originally posted by: Jumpman
CO,

They might if they don't see the changes as the destruction of the story like some believe they are. Changes or no changes, the stories haven't changed. It's not like Lucas went back to the Original Trilogy and literally disassembled each film and re-edited the films to be something totally different. He's nowhere near that point. A subtle story point here and there, maybe but it's not like Ridley Scott's Kingdom of Heaven or what Oliver Stone had done with Alexander....

And what I find the most funny about this "rumor" is the fact that many fans said they were done with Lucas after the last release of the films and weren't going to spend any more cash and TIME on Star Wars and yet, this "rumor" comes out and everyone is upset. Either you stick to your guns and be done with Lucas and Star Wars or you're not.

People talk about Lucas changing his mind on a whim but fans are even worse at it when it comes to this franchise.

Not really. I just want the OOT, that's all. My mind hasn't changed. And what CO is saying is that even if they don't mind the changes, it's not likely that they'll buy another set for MORE of them. It's odds on that if they bought the 04 set, they don't care, and won't buy the new set solely for a few changes.

But, Lucas didn't deployed Stormtroopers across the country, making the fanbase buy these DVD releases either. That's purely choice. You knew exactly what was in the set from day one....


And I didn't buy it. The key difference here is that we don't have a choice between them. REMASTERED OOT= everybody's happy.

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To get back on topic, this boxset news is both dissapointing and unsurprising due to its blatant irrationality. In 2004 when digitalbits was reporting that Hayden and McDiarmid were being put into the OT i said "no, thats just dumb fanboy rumors" but they were right. In 2006 when digitalbits was reporting that the GOUT would be the Laserdisk transfer i said "no thats just dumb, its a new transfer" but they were right. I can't think of a more logical release than a mega boxset with the remastered OOT and a difinitive collection of all the Star Wars films and materials, but you know what? Lucasfilm has been run by fucking hacks for the last ten years or so and something as dumb as this is perfectly consistent. I gave LFL the benefit of the doubt the last two times and i was burned. This time i am trusting digitalbits, the best damn home video site on the internet and the most reliable for news of any kind.

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I've been kind of weary all along about there being some mind blowing set. Let's face it, it never happened before. The PT got 2 disc sets. Kinda standard fare, but decent docs. 2004 came along, we get the SE version 2.0 (more changes, additional problems with color and sound) and possibly one of the dullest most self indulgent collection of audio commentaries ever. And we get 1 single disc of extras, new docs of pretty much pablum. 2005 sees the same set re-released, without the extras disc. 2006 sees those same discs as the 2004 release, sold individually, sans Empire of Dreams disc, but bonus discs of theatrical version in each movie.

Fans had been speculating this alleged set would blow us away. But when you look at the track record of Lucasfilm and the release of ANY Star Wars title, they have not been that amazing. Heck, even the release of the Indiana Jones trilogy was not as good as the potential it had.
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Well, we already knew the boxset was happenning. Now comes rumor that it just might not be happenning this year. To be perfectly honest, they didn't promise us a damn thing besides the '06 GOUT being the only time (as of now) that the original versions will be available. Is that a slap in the face to the fans? Of course it is, and it always will be. If they release a remastered OOT, we can put all of this behind us (that's exactly what people said when they announced the 9/12 release, back before the non-anamorphic news broke, ugh...) but it won't make the 9/12 release any less of a slap in the face. LFL has made their choice and they can't take it back.

I think a big problem is that while people care about seeing the OUT restored and remastered once and for all, they don't care enough about it. I mean, otherwise, wouldn't LFL have done it by now? Maybe there just aren't enough film fans out there and the general public really will just accept whatever LFL puts out. I think even if this rumor turns out to be true, LFL should announce the OOT's status one way or the other and do it soon, certainly no later than Celebration IV.
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Fang,

It has nothing to do with "not enough film fans out there." It has everything to do with the fact that a significant majority feel that the "updates and changes" aren't nearly as earth shattering as some make them to be. I mean, essentially, there are people out there that feel that the Special Editions are Star Wars...granted, updated but feel just the same with pretty much 90% of the changes and updates.....

And again, this is only a "rumor" right now. Technically, Lucasfilm has never once stated they were actually releasing a Saga Boxset....we just all assumed it was coming, considering the 30 Anniversary and the fact that the films, as one, have never been released....

"please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT."

Because, he didn't want to. The Special Edition is closer to what he wanted all along, from the beginning. He feels this is what HE wants to see out there in the general public when it comes to Star Wars.

Also, this notion that Lucas won't or can't stop changing things is stupid. From '97 to '04, he didn't really change much at all. '97 was the year he changed and updated. '04 was the year he fixed the updates he made. I can pretty much guarantee that whenever the films are released again, the changes and updates will be very minimal compared to what he did in '97. It'll be fixing lightsaber colors, correcting matte lines, and another transfer. He'll do the most updating with the Prequels.

But Lucas' days of constantly redo the films is pretty much coming to an end....The scenario of what's going to be changed in this boxset has gotten way out of hand in the online community.
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Originally posted by: Jumpman


"please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT."

Because, he didn't want to. The Special Edition is closer to what he wanted all along, from the beginning. He feels this is what HE wants to see out there in the general public when it comes to Star Wars.
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Jumpman, you were one of those fans in April '06 who told many of us here, "He will never release the OOT, and he said it a couple years ago, so get over it!"

See this is why none of us can take anything Lucas says at face value. I honestly don't know for sure what is going to happen in the future sets. He may just make more cosmetic changes, he may do nothing, he may put The Emperor in ANH and disbanning the senate, etc.

Lucasfilm is all about marketing, and don't be deceived by that, this is the first time that something SW didn't sell well, and people didn't just jump out in droves and buy something cause they knew it was half-ass.

And as to your point about everybody going crazy over wanting the OOT on DVD as many of us, of course not, but that doesn't mean people still dont' want and prefer it. Most people prefer the OOT, but don't mind the SE, but the word prefer does mean they like it over the SE. I didn't send any letters to Spielberg when it was announced that only the SE was being released for E.T. in 2002, and the original versions was not. But I still wanted the Original Version, and prefer, but I am just not as passionate about it as I was with SW movies. Remember 80,000+ signed this petition, and there are load of non-passionate SW fans who would agree that the OOT should be on DVD in great quality, so the minority is fans that PREFER the SE.

I will ask this, If Lucas only released the OOT in 2004, and never released the SE, do you honestly think there would be as huge an outcry by the fans as there is now?

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Also, this notion that Lucas won't or can't stop changing things is stupid. From '97 to '04, he didn't really change much at all. '97 was the year he changed and updated. '04 was the year he fixed the updates he made.


Why would he have to fix them if they were his vision finally realized?

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Originally posted by: Jumpman
"please someone tell me what's prevented LFL over all these years from remastering the OUT."

Because, he didn't want to. The Special Edition is closer to what he wanted all along, from the beginning. He feels this is what HE wants to see out there in the general public when it comes to Star Wars.

Yes, but this was never preventing them from remastering the original versions.

Originally posted by: Jumpman
Also, this notion that Lucas won't or can't stop changing things is stupid. From '97 to '04, he didn't really change much at all. '97 was the year he changed and updated. '04 was the year he fixed the updates he made. I can pretty much guarantee that whenever the films are released again, the changes and updates will be very minimal compared to what he did in '97. It'll be fixing lightsaber colors, correcting matte lines, and another transfer. He'll do the most updating with the Prequels.

But Lucas' days of constantly redo the films is pretty much coming to an end....The scenario of what's going to be changed in this boxset has gotten way out of hand in the online community.


Were we discussing possible changes to the future boxset? No, we were discussing changes that have been made.
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So adding hayden Christensen as Anakin at the end of ROTJ in 2004 is fixing the SE, the first version of which was reedited four years before he cast Hayden to be Anakin? That shows about as much logic as adding Justin Timberlake to replace Michael Jackson in Thriller; and yet, we still have no clear, logical explanation of why Lucas added Hayden other than this left-handed expanation of "force ghosts" that was never explained in episode III as promised.