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A question: The accurate frame rate of Sequels, Anthologies and Series?

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I have a quesion.
Were the Sequels, the Anthologies and TV series, such as Clone Wars and Mandalorian shot in exactly 24,000 fps, or 23,976 fps and if they were 24,000, where can I purchase those versions instead of that crap 23,976 that is on BDs?

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You’re not going to be able to purchase 24.000 versions. If you really want that, the best shot you have is the edit the Blu Ray yourself, but I doubt that would turn out well. I have no clue why you’re calling 23.976 crap, though, and I doubt you’re able to tell the difference. The difference is less than a tenth of a percent.

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What I actually want to do is to record the films on PAL VHS.
Because it’s a fractional framerate, line NTSC, in which “S” stands for a synonym of “crap”.
The question is, do they slow down the 24 to 23,976, or what.

Let’s take PAL, it’s 25fps, so each fgrame lasts exactly 40 miliseconds, NTSC is 33,(366700033)…, which is not a Real number. Same with 23,976, it’s a completely unnessesary format, that does not keep the original speed, like back in the day film was sped up to 25fps for PAL, worst of all the Blu-Ray spec explicitely supports the proper 24p frame rate…

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33,(366700033)…, which is not a Real number

Doesn’t look complex to me 😉

I believe 23.976 is achieved by an extremely slight slowdown but it’s really insignificant. It’s grandfathered in from a time when it did matter, and now it’s just standard. You can adjust a 23.976 rip to play back at 24, if you really want, but you’ll have to slightly adjust the audio also or it’ll slowly drift out of sync.

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My mistake, I meant it’s not a natural number, I was never taught mathematical names during my english classes, which is not a native language for me.

Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.
Reencoding audio is always nessesary when speeding up, or down material…

Well, let’s try to bully some directors, or people that mastered the BD materials.

Either way, if I put 23,976 in VEGAS it will still properly convert it to 25fps without changing speed and without resampling frames, if I force that option, so that would probably do pulldown, I don’t know however if it would be frame based, or field based, though it might depend on output settings, to record on VHS I need a DV master.

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SF01 said:

Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.

With audio, the difference between 25 fps and 24 fps is about a semitone (the difference between C and C#). It’s small, but it’s enough that most people will notice it if they’re familiar with whatever they’re listening to.

The difference between 23.976 and 24 is 1000:1001, an almost 41 times smaller difference. It’s so slight that the human brain can not perceive the difference.

If you’re worried about the numbers involved, the second is an arbitrary unit of measurement. Pick other units of time, and PAL will have non-natural number units of time, or NTSC could have natural number units of time.

If you’re worried about editing or something, what specifically are you trying to do? Put an ST movie onto VHS?

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SparkySywer said:

SF01 said:

Exactly, so it’s not a native framerate. Some people say that 24 to 25 is insignifficant, while some claim they can hear the differance.

With audio, the difference between 25 fps and 24 fps is about a semitone (the difference between C and C#). It’s small, but it’s enough that most people will notice it if they’re familiar with whatever they’re listening to.

The difference between 23.976 and 24 is 1000:1001, an almost 41 times smaller difference. It’s so slight that the human brain can not perceive the difference.

If you’re worried about the numbers involved, the second is an arbitrary unit of measurement. Pick other units of time, and PAL will have non-natural number units of time, or NTSC could have natural number units of time.

If you’re worried about editing or something, what specifically are you trying to do? Put an ST movie onto VHS?

Another measure of time? It’s not about that. Divide 48kHz audio sampling by 25 and then by 23,976 and 29,970, where do you get an exact number of audio samples per frame with a sample lining up exactly at the start and enn of each frame?

Yes, I want to record everything released after III on VHS and for 24,000 fps I can use simple Euro-pulldown, for non-natural numbers there will be some additional operations involved, plus to first restore 23,976 to 24,000 the audio will have to be resampled.