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a fresh rant about ep.3

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Well Hi,
i thought I'd start a new topic as the boys/girls currently discusing ep3 seemed to thoroughly enjoy it and so I dont want to spoil their fun by going on about how awful ROTS was, which is exactly what I am going to do now!
I'm a 34 yr old guy from the UK who was just the right age when watching Star Wars for the first time in 1977. I have grown up with it as have millions of others. When I first heard there were going to be some new films ie. the prequels I was so excited, and could not wait for them to happen. It was a BIG thing for me. But if I was honest I always knew in the back of my mind that he (George Lucas) was going to FUCK IT UP big style, and that he would eventually ruin evrything that was so sacred to me and everyone else of my kind. I just didnt realise how much he would fuck it up. He has outweighed all expectations of how badly he could have done things.
I was flicking around the TV stations tonight and ended up finding Star Wars ANH on Sky Movies, watched about 1/2 hour for the 300th time. It just confirmed what I already knew, that these new prequels are just completely diffrent films and have no place in the galaxy of the originals. I swear George Lucas was assassinated in the early 80's and replaced with a guy who knows nothing about the original 3 films and the times that they were made and the feelings people had for them. EVERYTHING about the originals are superior - everything that is supposed to count anyway. The story, the acting. the feel, the suspense, the dialogue, I could go on and on.
The CG of the prequels counts for nothing if everything else about it is 4th rate. It breaks my heart because you cannot bring back the feelings you had for the originals that GL has just swiped away from me over these last 3 films. I've decided to just pretend they never happened and go back to imagining what happened before ANH, which was what we all had to do before Phanom Menace and my own imagination and I'm sure everyone elses is much more satisfying than what George Lucas has come up with.
There must be literally hundreds of thousands of fans that could have written a better story, better dialogue, a way of connecting to the originals without being so contrived,and I am serious when I say that. There are a lot of talented people out there that are Star Wars fans that would have done ten times a better job than has been done. There are probbably a lot of actual film producers/directors ie. Tarantino,Soderburgh that must be thinking Christ if only I could have had ago at it. GL had 30 years to come up with this shit! He actually tries to convince everyone that he had most of this already written in the first place but that is complete rubbish. He had a basic story, the rest he has just lamely tried to piece togetther. He had about as much idea as to what happened before ANH as the rest of us, the difference is most of us would have done it better. If he had spent .001% of the time and budget that he spent on CG, on actually trying to make a half decent movie with half decent acting,dialogue and story he may have made a better job. The fact that he managed to make some of the best and coolest actors on the planet ie. Ewan. Samuel J, Natalie P look amaturish, was quite an achievement, and speaks volumes for the whole project. Now that it is all over I bet you Ewan will be coming clean about how bad an experience it was. After all, he was a huge fan too, he must feel really let down and humiliated. I may return to comment on particular individual gripes about ROTS but it is getting late and that could take some time.
Thanks for reading if you have. Would be interested to hear from anyone with similar feelings. Cheers.
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OMG!

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I missed in there where you said you saw ROTS.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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It shouldnt really be about the ones and the zeros when youve got about 20 ones and 30 zeros. He could obviously afford to make the best films that were ever made, which in my opinion he wasnt far off with ANH and ESB. But he was closer to making the worst films of all time with these three prequels. How can that happen? I did give them a chance honestly, each one, but each one was as bad as the rest sadly. I really wanted them to be OK. They werent.
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Welcome Shunty!

I'll agree with most of your points! I've yet to post my own review as I want my disbelief to settle down a bit first.

I turn 34 this week and had much the same experiences with SW as it sounds you did. Anyhow, have fun here- there's some very bright and fun people who post here regularly.
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I saw it on opening night as I have all 3 prequels, tickets booked months in advanced. I'm just an incurable optimist. A gutted incurable optimist.
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" It shouldnt really be about the ones and the zeros when youve got about 20 ones and 30 zeros. "

I'm not sure that you get the point of this made-up quote...

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Shunty
I saw it on opening night as I have all 3 prequels, tickets booked months in advanced. I'm just an incurable optimist. A gutted incurable optimist.


I'm a cynical pessimist, but I too was there at those midnight opening day shows... we should start a club... lol
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Speaking of signatures, GL went a completely different direction with Ep. III than I expected. I guess I'll have to change my sig!

Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side

Emperor Jar-Jar
“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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Hi Greencapt
I really dont do this sort of thing at all, in fact this is my first time, but there are some things that I'm passionate about, and as foolish as it sounds to most people Star Wars is one of them. We really are the perfect age group for the original films and Star Wars has been around for most of my life and holds very cherished memories from my youth, ones that are important I'm sure you'll agree. It is one of the subjects (along with football) that I could talk about all day!(or night as the case may be).
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
" It shouldnt really be about the ones and the zeros when youve got about 20 ones and 30 zeros. "

I'm not sure that you get the point of this made-up quote...


Explain it to me then.
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Originally posted by: Shunty
I swear George Lucas was assassinated in the early 80's and replaced with a guy who knows nothing about the original 3 films and the times that they were made and the feelings people had for them.


I did notice around the time Captain Eo came out that Lucas' trademark beard was nowhere to be seen. Makes one wonder...

Where were you in '77?

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It's referring to binary code - as in computers.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: SilverWook

I did notice around the time Captain Eo came out that Lucas' trademark beard was nowhere to be seen. Makes one wonder...


You ever see that MTV animated series 'The Head'? I like to think GL has a alien parasite who lives in his neck and controls his thoughts... making evil things like the prequels happen.

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1's and 0's are computer code. On and off.

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Now that it is all over I bet you Ewan will be coming clean about how bad an experience it was. After all, he was a huge fan too, he must feel really let down and humiliated. I may return to comment on particular individual gripes about ROTS but it is getting late and that could take some time.


I doubt it. Most critics have heralded this last prequel film. Not only that, but most of those that aren't geeky fan-boys have had their hugest complaints with things such as Jar Jar and others that were geared more towards children. Most have spoken about how well Christiansen and Portman were on screen together in this film. If you think that the acting was bad in this film (ROTS) then don't aim it towards George. He hired a dialogue coach to work with most of the actors as he would be too busy this time around with the action.

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I'm a 34 yr old guy from the UK who was just the right age when watching Star Wars for the first time in 1977.


That would make you 6 when the original was released. I highly doubt that dialogue and acting were something you were looking at with a harsh eye at the time. If you go back and really look at the acting in the originals, they really aren't they great from certain actors. There is a reason Mark Hamill hasn't had a film career after being in three of the most popular films of all time. Sure, there are some great actors giving great performances (JEJ, Frank Oz, Ford, Sir Alec, Ian) but there are PLENTY of bad ones. Jabba the Hutt? Are you kidding me. Talk about pacing, ANH is the SLOWEST film from the introduction of the driods until we meet Obi Wan. Large amounts of silence and non-action. It isn't until we get to the jumping off point 'Mos Eisley' that the film actually picks up a tolerable speed. Dialogue? How about the celebration on Yavin? How about the X-Wing pilot APOLOGIZING for having been shot in the battle? Please.

The OT is ripe with much of what you have complained about the PT having. Is the PT better? No, of course not. ROTS is the only one that I hold in the class of the other films. However, to rail against them as if the OT was perfection is a bit misguided. You were a child when you first saw them, so bad dialogue wouldn't have burned you as bad. As you grew up watching them, you would have been used to most of the bad dialogue and not cared. Most of the children that have left my theater have been loving it, eating it up, as I'm sure you were at 6.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm a big QT fan, but he would have done unspeakable damage to this franchise and Soderburgh seems to have lost his talented directing style over his last few films.

The PT isn't the OT, it was never intended to be. The characters were not intended to be the same. Anakin's angst is different than that of Luke's. There is common thread, but they were never to be carbon copies. The tone of the films changes as they would over a 40 year span.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
I missed in there where you said you saw ROTS.


I must have as well.

Yes, did you in fact watch ROTS?
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them during the long winter evenings."
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Hey, you're right. He didn't really say anything about the last episode.

I skipped over it at first because he obvioulsy doesn't know the definition of a paragraph.

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I couldn't finnish the whole thing. I got bored halfway through when I noticed you weren't even talking about Episode 3. =/
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then why are you posting here???
oh right... someone didnt like the movie so you've gotta rain on their parade....
sigh

I agree with ya Shunty!
Lucas fucked up the PT on every level ... it looked good in trailers and on paper but when it came down to it im sure it will be known as one of the biggest mistakes in cinema..

I mean to make 3 movies that basically had the story literally written out for him...
all he had to do was fill in the blanks... but obviously had problems doing that...

once a great filmaker, is nothing more now than and old man holding on to his memories of what he once was...
"Never. I'll never turn to the darkside. You've failed your highness. I am a jedi, like my father before me."
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker

once a great filmaker, is nothing more now than and old man holding on to his memories of what he once was...


Yes, those memories are all he has left. In the end, the story of George Lucas' life has a tragic ending indeed.

Still, the man has a hell of a legacy; be it good, bad, or ugly.
Don't forget: with Lacuna, you can forget.
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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
then why are you posting here???
oh right... someone didnt like the movie so you've gotta rain on their parade....
sigh

I agree with ya Shunty!
Lucas fucked up the PT on every level ... it looked good in trailers and on paper but when it came down to it im sure it will be known as one of the biggest mistakes in cinema..

I mean to make 3 movies that basically had the story literally written out for him...
all he had to do was fill in the blanks... but obviously had problems doing that...

once a great filmaker, is nothing more now than and old man holding on to his memories of what he once was...


so much hate i sence in this one. hate to the point where he is blinded.

LOL you know i read what u guys are saying, and all you do is prove me right. i am 20 now, i saw Starwars for the first time when i was in grade 4 so i was 10 (you could actually call taht the perfect age for veiwing.) but that is besides the point. looking at the films objectively as i always have, ROTS is by far one of the best ones. it was definitively better then ANH and ROTJ and i would be welcome to go into and indepth analysis with you if you think otherwise. both ROTJ and ANH had so many problems its not even funny. dont think i am knocking the OT either cus i am not its jsut you look at them and there were corny lines there was bad acting and there were bad effects. so back to my original point, i have been saying for a long time on this site that no matter waht lucas does it would not please some fans, even if he actually did make the best films ever there would still be those that disliked them, and why you may ask, it because those fans have different POV and so they will never see any other film the way they saw Starwar when they were little. And instead of just embracing the films for what they were, they mock them and redicule them. its funny cause after awhile it just gets sad and pathetic. you knwo b4 ROTS came out many of the PT hates had a good cause they had good reason to dislike the PT but now seeing people say things like "there not SW movies" "I can't believe how much lucas fucked up" ans so on and so forth its just... i dont know i am at loss of words.

like i said i am 19 no i was 10 when i saw SW for the first time, like 14 when i saw ep 1 and saw ep 2 and 3 on there respective first days. and looking at the 6 movies overall and objectively i have to say that ESB was the best around movie, closely followed by ROTS then after a gap ANH, AOTC, followed by TMP and ROTJ in a tie.

now if you were to ask me interms of enjoyment my list would be ROTS ESB ROTJ AOTC TMP and ANH.

anyway theres my rant, and if anyone is rain one somebodies parade luke its the nay sayers that say a movie is horrid when it was at worst ok. well that just my 2 cents make of with what you will,
luke and shunty you are entitled to your opinions dont think i am robbing u guys of that k. if u think they were bad and that lucas distroyed SW for you then, he did and the only person that is going to hurt is yourselves. i personally think that your love of the OT is blinding you guys in veiwing the PT your expecting something to blow your socks off like the originals did, but they just wont(and cant) do that for you and so you dislike them.
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Good Morning(Well it is in the UK).
As I mentioned in my first note, it was getting late(2am nearly) so I didnt want to get too involved in what actually was wrong with ROTS as this would have taken a while, I just wanted to add my overall personal view which is what counts as what I feel about ROTS is what I feel about PM and AOTC. As for my grammar and paragraph structure - purrlleeezze!
(New paragraph) As for me being 6 when ANH came out, it was actually my 7th birthday when I got to see it, films stayed around for a lot longer in them days, Star Wars was in the cinemas for years after its release. Over the next 4-5 years I became a real addict. You had to really make an effort then as there was less media, no quick video/DVD release, no internet to check out every nook and cranny about a film. But since then I have(as many others have) seen the original trilogy honestly about 100 times and it is not with blinkers, ignoring the negative aspects(of which there are only a few) at all. In my opinion ANH and ESB as pieces of fiction adventure are true masterpieces in every way. You know why? Because Lucas had to work his butt off to make them happen, instead of strolling through these last 3 checking how many billion dollars he'd made that morning. That is maybe why ROTJ was not quite up to the first 2, he'd well and truly made it by then.

As for where and when I saw ROTS, I did say if you bothered to read that I saw it on opening night at the Rochester cinema in Kent, England. Heard of it? No, thought not.
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I don't mean to be rude Shimraa as you sound a jolly decent chap/chapette but if you feel that STAR WARS:A NEW HOPE is the worst of the six films, you are quite insane and need immediate and intense therapy!
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give it a couple months and everyone's going to cool their heels - the hype and excitement of a new Star Wars movie makes people think ROTS was better than it is. A special effects spectacular it was, better than the other 2 disasters it was, the greatest thing since satin sheets it was not.