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You came this close to Qui Gon being in the end of ROTJ...

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…being in the end of ROTJ. I swear to God you did. Thank Rick for it not being there.

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They were going over the DVDs while they were working on ROTS, and because of this, some of that stuff is in the Making of Book. Lucas was watching the new scene with Hayden in their and he said, somewhat joking, "What if we put Qui Gon in the back there" and Rick basically screamed, "OH MY GOD". The subject was then dropped.
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whats wrong if quigon is there.
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
whats wrong if quigon is there.


People are already disgusted with the changes. I personally think Qui Gon is one of the best characters in all of the films, however, I'm sure people that don't like the changes would have been up in arms.
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
They were going over the DVDs while they were working on ROTS, and because of this, some of that stuff is in the Making of Book. Lucas was watching the new scene with Hayden in their and he said, somewhat joking, "What if we put Qui Gon in the back there" and Rick basically screamed, "OH MY GOD". The subject was then dropped.


You know....this sounds like it's been LucASS's whole approach to Star Wars ever since the special editions.....

What if we put Jabba back in ANH...
What if we make Greedo shoot first...
What if have Anakin say "YIPPEE"!!!
What if we have this all CGI character that is just like Roger Rabbit.....cuz he was kinda cute and made me laugh....
What if we explained the force as being caused by some thing living in our cells!!! That sounds cool....people will jsut LOVE that.....

What if we use all these special effects, John and totally take away from the story......everyone's going to complain anyway, so why not give them something to complain about....

What if we just not explain why Leia remembers Padme even though she was just an infant......I wrote myself into a corner on that one and I can't figure out how the hell to explain it.....

What if we have Vader scream Noooooooo just like in Frankenstein......hey, I'm working on burnout here....stop laughing Rick.......you want to keep working for me.....then you better start acting like my bitch....

What if we have this puppet Yoda that looks like a heroin addict.....I'm sure no one will notice....I sure won't...and I'm the director.....

What if we all just do what we can to make it look good enough....after all.....think of the merchandise we can make money from this....so let's just do what we absolutely have to.......look, I don't care is there's a good story here.......I'm saving my Citizen Kane style cinematic masterpiece for my Howard The Duck sequel.........

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Yes, that is and always how Lucas has worked. He goes home each night and comes back the next morning with a whole list of 'what ifs'. No big suprise.
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Good thing is, it was probably just a little Lucas humor. If not (since he has had crazier ideas that he actually went ahead with), I guess Rick isn't quite the worthless little bitch we make him out to be. He's earned his keep and my respect with that. But, Hardcore and Shimraa, we wouldn't be upset simply because it's a change (although changing for the sake of change is stupid as well), but it would make even less sense than Hayden. We already have to wonder why Luke didn't frown and say, "Who the hell is that guy?" So let's just stick in Qui-Gon Jinn, someone Luke has never seen or, in fact, never even heard of. There's absolutely no Luke/Qui-Gon connection, so there's even less reason for him to be there than Hayden.

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Shoot man- as long as he was changing the movies, he should have put EVERY dead Jedi in that scene! That would have rocked!! Kit Fisto and Kung Pao or whatever else Jedi there were could be high-fiving in the background while in the foreground little Younglings cover in Force-ghost terror from Hayden!!

Now THAT'S cinema!!!!
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As long as there is the original available he can make all the changes he wants, I don't think most here disagree. I'd be interested to see changes in a "director's cut" as long as I can pop in the theatrical cut as well.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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And then, the Ewoks, having noticed the hundreds of ghosts in their treehouses, freak out, pull out their bows and arrows, and start shooting at all the ghosts, in the vain effort to protect themselves. Anakin gets pissed off and goes back to his dark side ways, Force choking and killing every single Ewok. And then you see that family portrait last shot of Luke, Lando, Han, and the others dancing to the music and smiling. And then.... Directed by Richard Marquand....

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: greencapt
Shoot man- as long as he was changing the movies, he should have put EVERY dead Jedi in that scene! That would have rocked!! Kit Fisto and Kung Pao or whatever else Jedi there were could be high-fiving in the background while in the foreground little Younglings cover in Force-ghost terror from Hayden!!

Now THAT'S cinema!!!!


Now, see....I can see the humor in that statement, however Qui Gon, Yoda, Ben and Anakin are eventually supposed to be the only ones who possess this power.

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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
Now, see....I can see the humor in that statement, however Qui Gon, Yoda, Ben and Anakin are eventually supposed to be the only ones who possess this power.


As of the semi-deleted scenes from ROTS that is. When I had just seen the OT, I *assumed* as a viewer that all Jedi could do that, as we only ever met three Jedi (or former Jedi). I never once thought "Geez- I need some explaination for THAT, I mean come on how are the Jedi able to do that???" I just took it for granted that I was watching a fantasy and that was part of the fantasy. It worked for me.

Now, I didn't expect to see in the PT (before they were made) a bunch of Jedi ghosts fighting along side of the live ones. That would be silly and lord knows the PT are not about silliness! Yet when Qui-Gon gets his butt whooped kinda easily by Maul, I did wonder 'Hmm... why the heck didn't he disappear- what a crappy Jedi!'. So after that we never really hear from/about Qui-Gon again... until that brief mention in ROTS. Thing is, with so much other stuff that needed to be developed, that small point should have just been left out entirely. To tell a good story you either need to develop a plot or cut out the crap. Instead GL mananged to promote the crap and cut out plot development.

Go figure.
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totally agree greencapt, I didnt need any explanation either. And actually when Qui-Gon didnt dissapear after dying I didnt need an explanation for that either. I mean, Obi-Wan new he was about to die (he did let himself get struck down), Yoda also knew his end was near (though from more natural causes I would assume), Qui-Gon got unexpectedly impaled through the chest. In AoTC we hear Qui-Gon yell for Anakin to stop. That all worked fine for me, I never really understood where the thought that an explanation was needed came from, but one day i read how it was supposed to be explained in RoTs

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Originally posted by: Hardcore Legend
.....being in the end of ROTJ. I swear to God you did. Thank Rick for it not being there.


Hmm...but the thanks is cancelled out for everything else he said 'yes' to. I remember him saying that the scene of Anakin leaving his mother was emotionally gut wrenching.

I left the theatre. And didn't look back. Didn't look back.
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Wait, are we saying that we believed EVERY Jedi could do this before the PT was released? If that was the case, why didn't other Jedi who Vader had killed help Luke and the Rebellion?
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Its not necessarily that we believed every Jedi could do this, its more we didnt need an explanation as to why we didnt see more Jedi Ghosts besides Ben, Yoda, and Anakin

I mean maybe the others werent strong enough, or in touch enough...I cant be sure now cause all the other info has biased me, but I think my thought on it was based on the dissappearing thing. I never saw it as Obi-Wan got cut in half and vanished. I saw it that he vanished into the force of his own will before he was cut down. Same with Yoda, he became one with the force before/as he died. I always figured Anakin's body was in the suit but that being burned 'set him free' so to speak hence his appearing at the end.

Its one of those things that was never a problem until Lucas made it a problem by addressing it (or trying to address it)

-Darth Simon
Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

0100111001101001011011100110101001100001

*touchy people disclaimer*
some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Shoot man- as long as he was changing the movies, he should have put EVERY dead Jedi in that scene! That would have rocked!! Kit Fisto and Kung Pao or whatever else Jedi there were could be high-fiving in the background while in the foreground little Younglings cover in Force-ghost terror from Hayden!!

Now THAT'S cinema!!!!


that might actually be cool, if they had those two then a pan out and see thousands of jedi inthe forest. but thats gets rid of the whole having the learn how to be a ghouts idea.
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"however Qui Gon, Yoda, Ben and Anakin are eventually supposed to be the only ones who possess this power."

Actually, no one possessed this power until Lucas was filming the end of ANH. Ben was originally supposed to survive ANH, but his character did nothing after leaving the DS, so Lucas killed him off. The "Ghost" stuff came later.

Guinness was not too happy about this change, I might add.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
It wasn't just Qui-Gon...
George also suggested adding Padme to the ghost scene, though he claims it was a joke to provoke Rick.
Its mentioned in some bts book.


Where at? I missed that one. Which page.
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yeah i feel killiong obiwan in ep4 was a bad idea. its one of the only problems i have with the ot, his character is so big and he's not really there for a long time.
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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
It wasn't just Qui-Gon...
George also suggested adding Padme to the ghost scene, though he claims it was a joke to provoke Rick.
Its mentioned in some bts book.

This gives me hope that we might see this in a future edition, as it is the ending I've wanted since the prequels. Qui-Gon is the one who discovered the "One with the Force" ability, not to mention he is responsible for Anakin becoming a Jedi. Padme's love with Anakin was a defining, driving force for both their characters, and being Luke and Leia's mother, she deserves to be there as well. My order of events:
-Luke first looks off into distance
-Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Yoda appear in their old forms
-Cut back to Luke and Leia comes over to bring him back to the celebration
-The original three ghosts morph into their younger selves, with Padme appearing at Anakin's side
-Luke smiles as seeing his mother and the Jedi in their prime, rejoining the group
-Qui-Gon appears beside Obi-Wan
-The original final shot of the OT characters
-The NEW final shot of the SAGA characters, the Force spirits

Most of you will probably hate that, but that's what I'd like to see.
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I think its a great idea. it would bind the two nicely
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Anyone see Kelsey Grammer fall off the stage?
I have a quote for you:
"GOOD LORD".
Bind the two nicely? I want to bind that idea to some TNT and send it to the moon.
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