Would you want to see Anakin or Obi Wan in the new trilogy, portrayed by their PT actors? — Page 4

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I can't even.

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

Akton said:

Lord Haseo said:

I wouldn't mind seeing Hayden in the ST. All he would need is the right acting coach to get him in the good frame of mind for his scenes and secondly he needs good dialogue. People seem to forget only amazing actors give vastly greater performances than the actual writing allows. I mean even Samuel L. Jackson wasn't good in the PT and he's an overall great actor.

 

I've seen Shattered Glass, the film purported to be the ne plus ultra of his thespian skills,and I can honestly say I don't think he ever rose above the level of mere competence and serviceability; about as good as your average Lou Diamond Phillips performance. Nothing approaching Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction, that's for damn sure. 

Since so many people loathe his performance in AOTC and ROTS wouldn't you think he would try his damndest to redeem himself? Giving Hayden one or maybe even two scenes wouldn't bring about the end of the universe

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn't mind if Vader appears in Rogue One with Hayden kickin' around inside the suit, if he really wants to. But Hayden in the sequel trilogy doesn't compute.

Even if Vader appears in Rogue One, why use Hayden? He may have buffed up for the prequels, but his scene as the masked Darth Vader made it very clear that he's no David Prowse.

I agree that I don't really want him to appear in the sequel trilogy. Partly because I'm not a fan of his performance, even though I believe Lucas' inept direction to be partially responsible, and partly because Anakin's story has been told.

Old Dave isn't young anymore.

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

M. Jaques Liverot observes :

The back end of the Human Centipede doesn't need lipstick... but what harm?

SilverWook said:

FrederikOlsen said:

Hal 9000 said:

I wouldn't mind if Vader appears in Rogue One with Hayden kickin' around inside the suit, if he really wants to. But Hayden in the sequel trilogy doesn't compute.

Even if Vader appears in Rogue One, why use Hayden? He may have buffed up for the prequels, but his scene as the masked Darth Vader made it very clear that he's no David Prowse.

I agree that I don't really want him to appear in the sequel trilogy. Partly because I'm not a fan of his performance, even though I believe Lucas' inept direction to be partially responsible, and partly because Anakin's story has been told.

 If it's little more than a cameo in Rogue One, getting Prowse back in the Vader suit would be a nice way for the new regime to put all those years of acrimony with George to rest.

Yeah, provided they have any interest in doing that. But yes, giving Prowse the chance to return to the role would be the decent thing to do.

Bingowings said:

Old Dave isn't young anymore.

Neither is Peter Mayhew. I'm assuming Vader will act much like he first did in ANH, and not run around and bounce off the damn walls like some PT reject. Prowse appears to be mobile enough for that...

Frank your Majesty said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 It's a terrible idea that force ghosts are around for such a long time. When Yoda died, Luke was the last of the jedi, having eternal force ghosts would just take away from his importance as a Jedi master.

Obi-Wan showed up every now and again to give Luke little tidbits. Having Anakin talk to Kylo Ren for a brief amount of time would be the same thing. Plus, Obi-Wan showed up as a Force Ghost years after he died so I don't really see your gripe. 

Akton said:

Lord Haseo said:

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 

Obi-Wan's ghost, apart from being an exposition delivery vehicle, was there to provide some bare minimum of guidance for Luke on his path to becoming a Jedi. Luke's final glance at the ghosts of his three "fathers" at the end of ROTJ is only meaningful if it is just that - a final glance - which the film strongly implies it is by showing Luke finally turning his back to them and rejoining the world of the living.

Luke emerged from the OT as a fully-formed Jedi. Having the Force Ghosts linger on into the ST would not only diminish his role as the elder mentor figure for the new characters, it would also diminish the very concept of death (at least for Jedi) in the saga. What meaning does Obi-Wan's sacrificial death have (or Anakin's for that matter) if they can just continue to appear in the films and interact with living characters, differing from their former living selves only in that they are a bit bluer and more translucent?

Anakin's story - his arc - is finished, I'd have thought that that was one thing PT haters and lovers could agree on. It falls to Luke to impart wisdom and warnings to the youngsters now - and, as hero of the OT (and the PT too if you consider that he is his father's redeemer), nobody has earned that duty more than him. To have him sit passively off to the side while the ghost of his young-looking father lectures the new villain about the evils of villainy would be all manner of lameness and shite, and we can only be grateful that it is so exceedingly unlikely to occur under the watchful eye of the ST's creative team. 

Well when you explain it like that it doesn't seem like such a good idea. Plus if they ever switch Sebastian back in ROTJ in another re-release it won't cause a continuity issue. But that's only if Anakin doesn't come back as a Force Spirit in the ST. 

Since, that's off the table there is another way that Hayden can make somewhat of an appearance. Perhaps Kylo Ren like Quinlan Vos has the power of Psychometry. He touches Vader's burnt mask and it shows Vader right after his defeat by Obi-Wan as he is distraught and engulfed by rage. This would show him the price Vader payed for aligning with the Darkside. 

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

ray_afraid said:

Lord Haseo said:

Akton said:

Swazzy said:

the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

Friends, try for a moment to envision the inevitable scene that will take place (if this rumor is true) involving a spectral Hayden Christensen speaking to (or about) Adam Driver, saying something along the lines of "don't go down that path I traveled all those years ago." Are you recoiling in horror? Good. That is the correct response.

I don't really see how this scene could be a bad thing. If the writing is good enough any bad idea can be made good. 

 Well, my hope is that they will try to make good ideas great instead of trying to make bad ideas good...

It's not really a bad idea to begin with. If Luke were to tell Kylo Ren about the dangers of the Darkside you people would have no problem with it. But because one strand from the prequels would be in the ST then suddenly the idea is shit. Let me ask...who would know most about how toxic the Darkside is? Anakin of course seeing as how he was engulfed in it for decades. I don't see any reasoning for that being a bad idea other than "its bad because prequels"

 It's bad because special edition.
And because prequels.
And because bad actor.
And, most of all, because lame.

The guy above you gave a much better argument. Also Ewoks were lame...Chewbacca being a giant dog-man was lame too. And I dare say that some of the dialogue in the OT was lame. Most egregious was "Into the garbage chute flyboy." Star Wars has always had some lame elements. 

Unless you can reach your hand through my monitor I would say that's out of your control. ;)

ray_afraid said:

I disagree, except for the ewoks.
I'm not trying to convince you or get you to join my side, just saying why I don't like it. And that's mostly because I hate the idea that Anikins ghost is Hayden and not Sebastian.

 I'm on your side now. Akton gave a killer argument for why it's a bad idea. 

And I think Disney will fix the SE and Bluray issues and give us the OUT when they get the rights from Fox. I don't see why they wouldn't knowing how much money it would make them. Also if they don't replace Hayden with Sebastian for whatever reason I hope they at least put his name in the Credits again. Now that shit was just disrespectful. 

SilverWook said:

When was Shaw's credit ever removed? He's still there when the mask comes off, even though his eyebrows aren't.

Even Clive Revill's name remains on ESB, and he's totally gone .

Could have sworn I heard that in the HelloGreedo ROTJ changes video. I could be wrong though seeing as how I haven't seen that video in years. Also I've never seen the SE or the BluRay versions of the OT. The clips I've seen of the changes were sufficient enough to scare me off. That being said I could still be wrong.