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Originally posted by: Savage
I'm in the process of getting ESB right now. Can anyone recommend a video splitting tool? I'd like to watch these on my PS3 in all their 1080p glory, but the max I'd be able to transfer over would be a dual layer DVD. Maybe I need to invest in a 16gb flash drive...
I'm in the process of getting ESB right now. Can anyone recommend a video splitting tool? I'd like to watch these on my PS3 in all their 1080p glory, but the max I'd be able to transfer over would be a dual layer DVD. Maybe I need to invest in a 16gb flash drive...
How would you watch the WMV's on the PS3? I was not aware of a way......if you know a way please let me know! I know you can watch them on the 360......but streaming that large of a file is very crappy unless you have Wireless N.
With the PS3 you could copy it to the drive and watch from there if the PS3 supported WMV!
EDIT: I guess the most recent update for the PS3 allowed for this when they added DIVX
Question: These do show up on my PS3 as playable media files like the DIVX do......but it says "Unsupported Data" when I try to play them. Is there something I am doing wrong or are these not encoded with the proper WMV codec that the PS3 supports?
When I look at the "Information" for the files on the PS3 is says it is VC-1 video codec and show a thunb of the video.
I am thinking it might be the audio codec it is bombing on? I have that issue with some DIVX files with AC3 5.1. Some have worked and others have not. The 360 plays the videos with AC3 just fine.
If anyone has any advice or experience with this let us know since these files will not fit on DL DVD and streaming them is hard unless you have the newest wireless infrastructure or hardwire.
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So here's the rub: Is there any possible way to watch these 10+gb videos on Xbox 360 without streaming it? As I understand it, both the PS3 and 360 can only recognize FAT32 formatted external drives which have that pesky 4gb file size limit. NTFS drives eliminate the file limit, but aren't recognized. Thumb Drives and Flash sticks have a similar problem.
The only solutions I can think of for files greater than 4gb would be burning onto a DVDR DL with the UDF file system, or onto an HD-DVD ROM or BD ROM (for your system of choice) for files larger than 8.5gb.
Any suggestions?
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Finally got it working on the 360 without streaming! Here's the deal:
In addition to FAT32 drives, the 360 also accepts HFS formatted drives (ipod, etc.). Since I'm a PC user, I don't have any convenient HFS formatted drives lying around. So, I got myself a copy of MacDrive 7 and used it to format a 160gb WD Passport into HFS+. Drag and drop, hook it to the 360 with a USB cable and voila! A perfectly readable drive with a perfectly renderable HD video file on it!
Fast forward/rewind works great with no crashing, though the video does lag behind the actual point in the film you are when doing either. Sound stays perfectly synced throughout. Overall, great performance!
The PS3 continues to have its issues, though. The drive isn't recognized at all (in addition to the fact that the PS3 can't play Windows Media 9.1 audio). Oh well...
Thanks Wookie Groomer for all the hard work! I'm getting the rest of the trilogy as time permits!
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I wish the PS3 would just work since it allows you to copy the file directly to its drive
Exactly why I prefer the media capabilities of the PS3 to the 360. But, Sony continues to add support and give people what they want. I would guess the next major update may address some of these issues...
Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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Originally posted by: Moth3rSince we can't locate the screenshots [demonstrating standard def downconversion from hi-def 1080p files, I made my own:
2004 DVD (PAL):
HD downscale:
And for reference, here's the full 1080p sample:
2004 DVD (PAL):
HD downscale:
And for reference, here's the full 1080p sample:
Thanks, Moth3r. To me, those samples say, "Don't waste your time -- just buy the DVDs."
I figure it would be smarter to spend the time it would take to do a good job of downsampling HD to DVD at one's job, earning enough money to buy an Xbox 360 so one could watch the native 1080p version.
Unless...
Maybe it's possible to downconvert the 2004 DVDs to make a more detailed LD version!
(CED, anybody?)
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Thanks, Moth3r. To me, those samples say, "Don't waste your time -- just buy the DVDs."
I figure it would be smarter to spend the time it would take to do a good job of downsampling HD to DVD at one's job, earning enough money to buy an Xbox 360 so one could watch the native 1080p version.
Unless...
Maybe it's possible to downconvert the 2004 DVDs to make a more detailed LD version!
(CED, anybody?)
Thanks, Moth3r. To me, those samples say, "Don't waste your time -- just buy the DVDs."
I figure it would be smarter to spend the time it would take to do a good job of downsampling HD to DVD at one's job, earning enough money to buy an Xbox 360 so one could watch the native 1080p version.
Unless...
Maybe it's possible to downconvert the 2004 DVDs to make a more detailed LD version!
(CED, anybody?)
Well here's a quick snapshot taken from my conversion. As you can see there is a noticeable difference between the downconverted image and the DVD image
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So maybe it's possible to use the HD source to make a better DVD version. I still stand by my opinion what spending time doing that is time better spent sorting out how to play the original HD source.
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Also, the image posted of R2 shows a big difference too... I'm not sure what the second "downconverted" image is supposed to be, but the third image (which I assume started life at 1080) shows the same increase in detail.
Since this would be a fairly painless and straightforward process for someone who has the HD files and is good with DVD encoding, it sure would be great to see someone make a dual-layer DVD downconversion from the HD masters...
Or at least do a few scenes in a side-by-side test to see if, when watched on a TV, if you can see a reasonable difference...
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Originally posted by: Mojo_LA
... I'm not sure what the second "downconverted" image is supposed to be, but the third image (which I assume started life at 1080) shows the same increase in detail...
I would hope so, since the third image is actually the untouched 1080p.... I'm not sure what the second "downconverted" image is supposed to be, but the third image (which I assume started life at 1080) shows the same increase in detail...
Here's a bit more explanation:
I found a frame near the start of the 2004 DVD and "zoomed in" on an area of fine detail - pic 1.
I had previously grabbed the first few RAR files from WG's post, so I was able to extract an incomplete 1080p WMV file. I found the same frame in this file, and downscaled the image to standard definition DVD resolution. I then zoomed in on this same area (pic 2) to compare with the image from the DVD. (Note this does not include the effects of further MPEG-2 compression you would have to do to make a DVD.)
Pic 3 is the same bit of the image from the unscaled 1080p file.
I don't know why adywan's downscale is showing an improvement over the DVD (I can't tell wether the improvement is real or perceived detail, due to there being slightly more contrast in the left hand image). Perhaps he was comparing a downscale from the original h.264 source, and maybe some detail was lost when WG re-encoded his version to VC1.
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The "zoomed in R2" shot does not show improvement, but then again it's not a "real world" test.
If anyone cares to take a few frames from the DVD and downscale the same HD frames for comparison, that would be great.
Moth3r, since you have all the material, do you mind?
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
I don't know why adywan's downscale is showing an improvement over the DVD (I can't tell wether the improvement is real or perceived detail, due to there being slightly more contrast in the left hand image). Perhaps he was comparing a downscale from the original h.264 source, and maybe some detail was lost when WG re-encoded his version to VC1.
I don't know why adywan's downscale is showing an improvement over the DVD (I can't tell wether the improvement is real or perceived detail, due to there being slightly more contrast in the left hand image). Perhaps he was comparing a downscale from the original h.264 source, and maybe some detail was lost when WG re-encoded his version to VC1.
Yes, i used the original h.264 , converted it to lossless avi then downscaled it using virtualdubmod and downscaled to DVD res using the Lanczoz3 scaler. I did a comparison between the WMV & h.264 and i did notice that the h.264 version was very slightly sharper.
The reason why i decided to drop my original plans to convert the HD h.264 to DVD and use the laserdisc audio was because, although when converted to lossless avi the difference between the DVD and downconverted HD source was really noticeable, it became less so when converted to mpeg2. So i felt that it just wasn't worth the effort.
you can see a quick comparison here:
DVD & downscaled HD comparison. Mpeg2 approx 18mb
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I can play both PAL & NTSC at home (my video projector accepts both signals) and a good PAL DVD looks considerably better, since it has 576 lines of resolution versus 480 for NTSC.
But not all PAL discs look better, since very often the PAL masters are made from NTSC sources and so there is essentially no added resolution (there is a site out there that compares PAL discs to NTSC and lets you know when there is a difference).
I'd love to know if the PAL special edition DVDs actually have a sharper picture than the NTSC, because downconverting the HD files to 576 PAL format would absolutely look better than an NTSC disc.
Ady, can you post a few frames from a PAL DVD? I can rip & compare to NTSC unless someone has already done this...
Edit: Hey Ady I just looked at your comparison... I can still definitely see more detail in the downconversion, but you're right, when playing back at speed the difference is just too slight to be worthwile. But the PAL thing is something I'd love to look into. A good PAL DVD of Star Wars with no 3:2 pulldown would look GLORIOUS!!
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In the mean time, I'm enjoying the WMVs Wookie Groomer posted on a.b.sw. To those who have both, is there a big difference in detail between the WMV and h.264 versions?
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I see you've managed to put all your OT stuff back up on a.b.sw and I appreciate it! I was never able to catch the trilogy in HD locally, so it's nice to see 'em as clear as they are.
Are you going to up the prequels as well? I'm really looking forward to seeing them in all their 13gb+/film glory!
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I just joined the forum not too long ago.. Been trying to catchup and figure out what's what in the scene.. First thing I stumbled across was Adywan's Revisited.. Which was really really awesome.. That instantly became my favorite version of ANH.. Then ran across your original trilogy (reposted rerelease) up on the newsgroups.. Just wanted to say THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for taking time out, and taking on that project. I've been waiting for a HD version to come out and was very disappointed when I heard that georgy didn't make plans to release in HD.
I'm no video expert, but you don't need to be one to appreciate the quality in these releases. I read in the previous post that you may or may not repost the prequels in 1080? PLEASE DO.. I've only got the original 3, and the original 3 splits.. Ive watched ANH split about a year or 2 ago and it was cool, but I've still yet to fire up the v2 and check out the HD goodness..
Just wanted to stop by with my first post and say thanks for the release, (Adywan too!!).. And I'll be waiting for those prequels to pop up soon!!
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digitalkid56: you should be able to still find all of the prequels on Usenet; you just need a news server that has really long retention; if your's doesn't, you can sign up for a pay service like Giganews which has something like a 200 day retention span.
Check out my fan edit thread where Rebel Scum and Adywan schooled me a bit in the ways of Usenet if you want more info.
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Thank you for all your hard work. I only flicked through Star Wars on my PC but it looks amazing. I have an external HD on its way to me so I can play it through my Xbox and experience it on my new HD screen.
P.S. Is it against the rules to ask assistance in getting hold of Empire and Jedi (1080p v2 editions)as my net access is capped.