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Probably posted elsewhere and if so I apologise, but some interesting info on Steve Hoffman forums by The Hermit:
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Will we ever see the original trilogy released — Page 6
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Probably posted elsewhere and if so I apologise, but some interesting info on Steve Hoffman forums by The Hermit:
Who’s TheHermit and why should I believe anything he posts? Not trying to be a dick, I’m curious.
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I’m sure that they’d sell at least 5 copies lolHonestly. I bet there is more demand for the OUT than clones in 3D.
For sure. There’s no doubt about that.
For sure ? I wouldn’t bet. Here, on OT.com ? Yeah, obviously. Out, in the real world, I can tell you that most people don’t really give a damn about the OUT, especially the new generations. The PT in 3D is likely to be a best seller (for the 3D market at least). Even more if you add TFA-3D in the set. ROTS opening scene, AOTC Geonosis battle, TPM pod race… If it sells well, no doubt LF is gonna produce 3D version of the OT as well… if they aren’t already working on it… which could be great news for a OOT release in HD since they would first need to restore the 2011SE prints… and so to go back to the original original prints. But it’s a long process; if LF started 1 year ago, christmas 2017 could be the finished date. Christmas 2016 seems too soon.
If they really cared about George, then they wouldn’t have thrown all his ideas for TFA into the garbage
Instead they have taken all his ideas for the OT 😄
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moviefreakedmind said:
I’m sure that they’d sell at least 5 copies lolHonestly. I bet there is more demand for the OUT than clones in 3D.
For sure. There’s no doubt about that.
For sure ? I wouldn’t bet. Here, on OT.com ? Yeah, obviously. Out, in the real world, I can tell you that most people don’t really give a damn about the OUT, especially the new generations. The PT in 3D is likely to be a best seller (for the 3D market at least). Even more if you add TFA-3D in the set. ROTS opening scene, AOTC Geonosis battle, TPM pod race… If it sells well, no doubt LF is gonna produce 3D version of the OT as well… if they aren’t already working on it… which could be great news for a OOT release in HD since they would first need to restore the 2011SE prints… and so to go back to the original original prints. But it’s a long process; if LF started 1 year ago, christmas 2017 could be the finished date. Christmas 2016 seems too soon.
If they really cared about George, then they wouldn’t have thrown all his ideas for TFA into the garbage
Instead they have taken all his ideas for the OT 😄
Then why does Harmys video have over a million views? Then why do those OUT and special edition comparison videos have millions of views? People give a shit. Not just us here on ot.com
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Over a million ? Hum… ok, I might have underestimated the OOT cult following outside movie addicts forums. But does “over a million” beat “most people” ? Only one way to know… and I’d be glad to have been wrong all along !
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Packaging TFA with the PT just because they’re the only ones ready go in 3D seems like a really odd choice. Bill Hunt’s never been one to post bogus rumors but I seriously have my doubts about this one.
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?
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The People vs. George Lucas is enough to convince me people outside this site care about the issue.
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Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?
Yeah you’re right; May 2017 would even be a better release date, 40 years anniversary as well as the bluray release of Rogue One. Even if I wouldn’t agree with it, a box set of the OOT with Rogue One would make more sense than a IV-VII box set of the OOT. I even wonder if GL making peace with Disney these past few weeks wouldn’t mean that a “GL definitive cut” [once and for all !] would be par with the OOT. All we need is an official press announcement…
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I think it’s worth noting how much a lot of the more pessimistic comments in threads like these tend to overestimate the PT’s footprint among mainstream audiences. Everyone I know who doesn’t identify as a major Star Wars fan gives them no thought whatsoever. A lot of people who weren’t the right age when they were coming out haven’t even seen them, and a large percentage of the folks who did see them as they were released haven’t seen them since. They haven’t become a cultural rite of passage the way the OT has, where you can assume almost everyone has some form of a relationship with them. The only groups that would actually be willing to buy the PT again in 2016 are the ones who adore absolutely everything Star Wars indiscriminately (i.e. Jason Ward and his MSW crew), contrarian hipsters (the population of whom I’ve always thought to be greatly overestimated), and children who grew up on The Clone Wars (many of whom are likely now more interested in the ST anyway). Even if those groups add up to more people than the folks who want the OUT, I think the numbers are probably closer than some people realize.
I also think the powers that be can’t fail to recognize that the OUT is a much surer thing than a prequel repackaging. Sure, there may be more people out there who might consider buying a new PT release, but they know with absolute certainty that almost every single one of us is going to line up for the OUT the day it becomes available, because we’ve asked them for it specifically and repeatedly. There’s no demographic guess-work involved; they release the OUT and they know they have a hit among a certain segment of the fan base.
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Fang Zei said:
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?GL making peace with Disney these past few weeks
This is the first I’ve heard about this. What exactly happened? Or are you referring to the possibility of GL producing Indy 5?
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Fang Zei said:
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?GL making peace with Disney these past few weeks
This is the first I’ve heard about this. What exactly happened? Or are you referring to the possibility of GL producing Indy 5?
No, I’ve heard he has been visiting Rogue One shooting stages.
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Packaging TFA with the PT just because they’re the only ones ready go in 3D seems like a really odd choice. Bill Hunt’s never been one to post bogus rumors but I seriously have my doubts about this one.
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?
I occasionally check the Steve Hoffman Forums purely for information on this subject, and Hermit has been posting the same thing for a long time. I don’t doubt that he thinks that whoever his source is is reliable. Someone else also once stated that they were going to release them in 2015 but had problems with ANH and were instead going to wait until 2017. Who knows what’s true though?
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I think it’s worth noting how much a lot of the more pessimistic comments in threads like these tend to overestimate the PT’s footprint among mainstream audiences. Everyone I know who doesn’t identify as a major Star Wars fan gives them no thought whatsoever. A lot of people who weren’t the right age when they were coming out haven’t even seen them, and a large percentage of the folks who did see them as they were released haven’t seen them since.
This 100%. People don’t react to them with animosity, but a lot of people simply do not care about them. A lot of people haven’t even seen them. Now that they’re old news and the ST really has nothing to do with them, there’s no reason for anyone to go back and watch them anyway.
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Fang Zei said:
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?GL making peace with Disney these past few weeks
This is the first I’ve heard about this. What exactly happened? Or are you referring to the possibility of GL producing Indy 5?
No, I’ve heard he has been visiting Rogue One shooting stages.
Ah, my bad. I’m remembering now that I heard something about this as well.
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Packaging TFA with the PT just because they’re the only ones ready go in 3D seems like a really odd choice. Bill Hunt’s never been one to post bogus rumors but I seriously have my doubts about this one.
Hermit’s post about a source inside LFL is encouraging, assuming the source actually knew this info for certain. Finding out that they were indeed planning on getting the true OT out there before TFA just sets the speculation wheels in motion. Maybe they wanted to keep a hundred percent of the attention on TFA?
I occasionally check the Steve Hoffman Forums purely for information on this subject, and Hermit has been posting the same thing for a long time. I don’t doubt that he thinks that whoever his source is is reliable. Someone else also once stated that they were going to release them in 2015 but had problems with ANH and were instead going to wait until 2017. Who knows what’s true though?
I’ve suggested before that perhaps Disney’s willingness to entertain Verta’s proposal is because they are planning a release and are unhappy with what they have in house for Star Wars. I mean, why else entertain it if a) you are dead-set on not releasing it (there’s no way they are unaware of and need to be enlightened about the technical issues with the current transfer or the historical significance of the originals) or b) they already have a satisfactory master of the theatrical version ready to press or know they are well on their way to one.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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The very fact that they’re entertaining the possibility enough to meet him is encouraging in my book. The VIDIOT man on Hoffman’s forum said that Disney requested a digital copy of the first film from the Library of Congress.
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The LoC request from Disney (which was first mentioned back in December IIRC) and Verta meeting with the suits are two huge signs that something is happening behind the scenes.
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The LoC request from Disney (which was first mentioned back in December IIRC) and Verta meeting with the suits are two huge signs that something is happening behind the scenes.
Yes, quite old news. It’s a sad state of affairs when a production studio needs to rely on the government to obtain the original cut of it’s own film. Could’ve been a last-ditch effort to try to salvage something in-house before Verta came along and offered the meetings early this year.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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The LoC request from Disney (which was first mentioned back in December IIRC) and Verta meeting with the suits are two huge signs that something is happening behind the scenes.
Yes, quite old news. It’s a sad state of affairs when a production studio needs to rely on the government to obtain the original cut of it’s own film. Could’ve been a last-ditch effort to try to salvage something in-house before Verta came along and offered the meetings early this year.
Maybe, it’s also possible though that they just want to get a handle on all of their materials. Disney has a pretty strict system for keeping track of their films.
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So to summarise the sources:
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Disney / LFL met with Verta on Legacy
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Disney / LFL requested LoC copies
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John Landis said George told him trilogy was coming
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Poster on Steve Hoffman ‘TheHermit’ has a source indicating they’re coming and were due prior to TFA
And just for fun:
- Anakin has eyebrows in Rebels!
Anything else?
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At one point, they changed the pic of the Star Wars facebook page to an OT scene.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
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So to summarise the sources:
Disney / LFL met with Verta on Legacy
Disney / LFL requested LoC copies
John Landis said George told him trilogy was coming
Poster on Steve Hoffman ‘TheHermit’ has a source indicating they’re coming and were due prior to TFA
And just for fun:
- Anakin has eyebrows in Rebels!
Anything else?
Hayden’s Anakin Force Ghost was supposed to appear in TFA… ok just joking 😃 (well, who knows… http://dorksideoftheforce.com/2016/06/09/hayden-christensen-would-return-to-star-wars-in-a-heartbeat/)
I’m more convinced now. And if I understand it well, LFL is making a complete restoration from scratch ? They went back to original prints and not to the 1997 restoration ? I bet they aimed (are still aiming ?) at a 8k definition. Would love that as a side job they also update the 2011 SE dated cgi.
So your guess is that’s coming for christmas 2016 ? I would bet on May 2017. Still think the christmas set is a 3D set of the PT.
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Since it’s only 35mm, I could see them scanning at 6k and mastering at 4k. That’s what they did for the blu-rays of Minority Report and Raiders of the Lost Ark. They could certainly scan at 8k if they really wanted to pull every last detail off the negative, but they won’t be mastering at anything higher than 4k. I don’t think there’s been an 8k restoration of anything yet. Lawrence of Arabia was scanned in at 8k but only finished at 4k. Ben-Hur’s restoration was actually an 8k scan / 6k finish. Baraka was scanned in at 8k but I’m not remembering what res that was actually finished at.
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What happened to the 70mm prints ?
4k is currently the max for home cinema, but if they plan to make digital screening in theaters in a near future an 8k restoration would be the way to go. These movies deserve it.
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What happened to the 70mm prints ?
70mm prints will not have any more information than the 35mm negative, but will in fact have less due to regular generational resolution loss.