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Will GL start a trend of other classic films being changed?

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Imagine the trend George Lucas could start. If other studios, producers and directors followed Georgie Boy, we might mind up seeing these changes:

The Wizard Of Oz
-an entirely cgi background would replace the outdated, but classic painted scenery.
-the black and white Kansas scenes would be colorized since the current generation isn't capable of understanding why Kansas is black and white and Oz is in color
-new cgi Munchins would sing a hip hop version of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead"

Gone With the Wind
-The line "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn", would be changed to, "You think I give a sh*t?!"
-The line "I don't know nothing bout birthin babies" would be replaced by "I don't know f-ing squat about delivering babies!"

every hand drawn Disney animated classic would be completely redone with CGI animation

Back to the Future Trilogy
-Elizabeth Shue would be inserted in the first film, since a different actress played her character in the first film
-when the Delorian hit 88 miles per hour, new explosion rings would accompany the car travelling through time
-Crispin Glover (George McFly) would magically be inserted into the 2015 scenes in part 2. Since he didn't appear in the sequels, they had to carefully disguise his replacement (who hung upsidedown in the future scene). With the magic of technology, George would now be upright and played by Glover.


Raiders of the Lost Ark
that classic scene that Harrison Ford improvised where the guy is swinging his sword at Jones and then Indy just shoots him, would be changed. The man would be digitally replaced by a guy who would shoot first, right before Jones kills him.

Mary Poppins
Disney remake queen Lindsay Lohan would be digitally insterted as Mary Poppins. Julie Andrews would then sue the pants off of Disney.

George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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I can honestly say I'm terrified by what you just proposed. Deeply, truly, honestly, seriously terrified.
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Raiders of the Lost Ark
that classic scene that Harrison Ford improvised where the guy is swinging his sword at Jones and then Indy just shoots him, would be changed. The man would be digitally replaced by a guy who would shoot first, right before Jones kills him.


LOL!

Did you see dead riners? where they had GL saying: I've stoped changing my old movies, now I'm changed other peoples old movies! Then they had Jar Jar in pysco and a new cgi horse head in the godfather.
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I have but 2 words for you: FREE HAT
Seriously, though.. GL has seemingly started a trend, albeit for the worse. If you know anything about Ozzy's band, this has happened to them also-Sharon didn't want to pay royalties to the original performers from the older albums, so when they did a new remastering a few years ago, they simply rerecorded the bass and drum tracks with their current members. Not only does it sound totally out of place having 20 year old guitar and vocals mixed with modern rhythm tracks, but the tracks lack the vivaciousness and emotive qualities of the original artists' work. Thankfully, you can still find the old releases in abundance, so you are not FORCED into buying something you don't really want. This is a trend which needs to stop.
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Somone on this earth has to put together a sword-guy shoots first spoof. It must be done!
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Raiders of the Lost Ark
that classic scene that Harrison Ford improvised where the guy is swinging his sword at Jones and then Indy just shoots him, would be changed. The man would be digitally replaced by a guy who would shoot first, right before Jones kills him.


LOL!

Did you see dead riners? where they had GL saying: I've stoped changing my old movies, now I'm changed other peoples old movies! Then they had Jar Jar in pysco and a new cgi horse head in the godfather.



Where would I find this? That sounds hillarious@
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Somone on this earth has to put together a sword-guy shoots first spoof. It must be done!



Agreed. And how about if they just insert Greedo himself?
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You don't pay too much attention to film and film history if you think this is a "trend" much less one started by Lucas.

There's a reason the imdb has an "alternate version" feature as part of their standard menu. Other directors, writers, musicians have made a habit of revisiting their works PLENTY of time. Not just hacks, or cheapo burnouts like Sharon Osbourne. People like BEETHOVEN, or TOLKIEN, Da VINCI, even. To think this is a Lucas innovation is ridiculously shortsighted. Sure, it's fun to create a bunch of "The sky is falling" scenarios just for shits n' giggles, but that's about all this is good for--artistic revisions are not a Lucas innovation, nor did he really popularize it. If anything, he DEMONIZED it

This isn't a trend. This is just how art has gone over the years. It's just as malleable now as it was then. The difference is that we didn't have the internet then.
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LMFAO hahah they would never touch the wizard of oz or mary poppins lol
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
You don't pay too much attention to film and film history if you think this is a "trend" much less one started by Lucas.

Sure, it's fun to create a bunch of "The sky is falling" scenarios just for shits n' giggles, but that's about all this is good for--artistic revisions are not a Lucas innovation, nor did he really popularize it. If anything, he DEMONIZED it


Yes, it's a trend. Wouldn't something occurring many times consistently over a span of time be considered a "trend"? (answer: yes, since that's a very definition of the word) Come on-- of course, GL didn't "invent" this trend, but what he's done with the SW flicks is pretty unprecedented, no? These aren't just simple "Director's Cuts" or "Alternate Versions" (which often amount to a few mins. of slight differences), or even mere "artistic revisions"-- he went back into widely known, "classic", beloved films and performed numerous alterations, removals, and insertions. IMDB might note alt. versions (which again, often amount to fairly insignificant changes), and that's why there are websites devoted to the sheer amount of SW changes. It's not the same as The Exorcist restoring a couple mins, or just slapping deleted scenes back into a film and calling it a Special Limited Extreme Edition. Or the newer trend of putting out every other movie in an Unrated Edition.

Lucas may not have invented this notion, and his work (and undoing of said work) on the OT isn't unique per se, but the sheer number and scope of changes (i.e. digitally replacing one actor with another one? softening already PG-rated "violence"?) is an extreme example of the film-altering trend. And while he didn't invent or start such a thing, there sure seems to be a LOT more of such things happening with films since the SW SE. And the DVD format has helped boost those numbers as well (1, 2, 3-disc versions, etc). I'm not arguing, I'm just saying that there's something to the suggestion of Lucas playing a pretty big role in this kind of growing activity.

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Back to the Future Trilogy
-Elizabeth Shue would be inserted in the first film, since a different actress played her character in the first film


I wish you could do the reverse, and put the first Jennifer (Claudia Wells) into II & III. Shue is a good actress, but she was *awful* in the BTTF flicks.

It's only a matter of time before digital "enhancements" and changes happen to more classics.

I'm waiting for a new cut of the Nightmare on Elm Street series, sort of in reverse-- called Bad Afternoon on Elm Street-- in which this guy named Freddy is disfigured and after haunting people while they sleep, he then exits their dreams, has his face fixed, and becomes a beloved Mr. Rogers-type character, with a striped sweater.
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Yes, it's a trend.


No, it's not. Trends eventually die out. This has been going on since art existed. The only difference is you didn't notice until it happened to Star Wars.

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It's not the same as The Exorcist restoring a couple mins


Yes, it is. You're trying to argue semantics and it doesn't fit. It's the same as Close Encounters, it's the same as Lord of the Rings (The book, mind you, not the movies), there's hundreds upon hundreds of examples of this very thing happening all throughout history. That's not a trend. It ceases to be a trend once it lasts a few decades. this has lasted a few CENTURIES. Artists have always gone back and altered their work from a different perspective. And artisans have always gnashed their teeth over it, some of them, at least. But it's nothing new, and Lucas, as I said, isn't popularizing it any. If any, the fact this board exists shows he's almost shining a VERY harsh light on it that doesn't make it look as alluring as it has to many an artist that has come before him.

The growing activity (which is a negligible claim, actually) comes more from the technology making it possible than it does Lucas actually doing it. It was harder to make those sorts of changes and revisions before--but it's not like it wasn't done, either.

Again, this line of argument is typically only good for the sky is falling scenarios played for cynical punchlines and that's about it. They're amusing to read, though But giving it any more weight than that is being shortsighted. Especially since the practice you're decrying is the practice this board gets MOST of it's attention from now--the act of revising art to make it better fit someone's vision. We've got 3 different "Fan edit" boards now. A big difference here is that the ARTISANS are doing the revising along with the ARTISTS. You can't decry this "trend" on one hand and then support it a couple forums down

Well, you can, but it sort of weakens your argument.
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i dont mind directors cuts where lost footage is restored, but all this digital tweaking is getting on my nerves
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Yes, it's a trend.


No, it's not. Trends eventually die out. This has been going on since art existed.


Trends come and go, but just because it's been going on for a long time doesn't make it not a trend. Who's arguing semantics here? And just because many trends are short-lived doesn't mean there is an expiration date on them. Don't make me post the definition of the word. It's a pretty broad concept when it comes to pop culture.

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The only difference is you didn't notice until it happened to Star Wars.


Uh, no. I'm not ten years old. Although I probably was the first time I noticed it-- it was when Teen Wolf was on TV, and there were 2 scenes in it that weren't in the theatrical version (and those scenes still aren't on the DVD).

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It's not the same as The Exorcist restoring a couple mins


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Yes, it is. You're trying to argue semantics and it doesn't fit.


You're kidding, right? Inserting a few mins. of "lost" footage is exactly the same as going through a movie frame by frame and making changes from beginning to end? Okay. I'm not arguing that Lucas is the first to make such changes. But there are degrees of such changes, and again, Lucas' are among the most extreme, dare I say, in film history.

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The growing activity (which is a negligible claim, actually)


It's not growing? So you're saying there's less of such occurrances now then 20 years ago? I wasn't saying Lucas is singlehandedly responsible for some new resurgeance of movie altering. But you have to admit, it is one specific and *extreme* example. And of course it has happened since the beginning of art, but are there really countless examples of paintings and novels that have been "revisited" by their creators? Ayn Rand's Anthem is one I can think of off the top of my head. I might be making an "ass" out of "u" and "me", but it's safe to assume that while altering films has been going on for a long time, the frequency was greater in the late 20th century.

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You can't decry this "trend" on one hand and then support it a couple forums down

Well, you can, but it sort of weakens your argument.


I'm not making an argument. I just find it an interesting discussion/study of film. I'm not decrying the trend(/tendency/choice/whatever word you wanna use) outright. Some films have been changed for the better and benefit from tweaking (which is more often than not, pretty minor). Just so happens that SW ain't one of 'em. I'm fascinated by deleted material and looking at work from the inside out. Fo' shizzle my Bizzle.
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It's alright man, it's just I figure every now and again, in this forum, it gets a little too chicken little in here and I like to temper it with reality.

it's still not a trend But has Lucas run the ball farthest on his revisions than other people? I can see why people would think so. I don't necessarily agree, but once again, I don't think people really paid any sort of serious attention until it happened to Star Wars, that and internet forums dedicated to Star Wars seem to have created this echo chamber in regards to it. That's a pretty big difference.

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I just remembered Star Trek: The Motion Picture - not only was it badly re-edited for the DVD, but at the insistence of the late Robert Wise, CGI was added to show V'Ger coming out of the cloud and to show a big granite bridge forming in front of the Enterprise for Kirk and the gang to walk across. It was terrible. I mean, the film itself is okay but these changes suck. Plus the pacing now feels really jumpy and erratic.
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I think Coppola is going to re-do The Godfather, Part I. He will film new scenes with Robert DeNiro, now in his late 50's, as he will match the age of Marlon Brando, who played Vito Corleone in the movie. This way you can see young DeNiro, as a flashback in Godfather Part II, and then for continuity reasons you can see an older DeNiro in Godfather Part I.

I think this would work just as well as re-editing Anakin in ROTJ for continuity sake


Then you can have every Godfather fan up in arms just like every Star Wars fan for the changes in their movies.

And Lucas and Coppola can say this is our vision, and now The Godfather and the Classic OT are finally finished!


Hopefull Lucas doesn't give his buddy Coppola any ideas!


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just because it goes on dvd doesnt mean directors should go in a mess with the damn films! directors of genre films from the late 70's and early 80's, give it a rest! by the way i'm glad someone thought the directors cut of star trek sucked as well. now if i can only get someone to agree about superman and its lame sound alterations and its over tweaked color
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Originally posted by: battlewars
just because it goes on dvd doesnt mean directors should go in a mess with the damn films! directors of genre films from the late 70's and early 80's, give it a rest!


I dont think it will stop. its a moneyspinner to make extra cash off the Fans

Part of the issue(maybe), is not really changes to a movie be it on a Directors Cut or Special Edition. it is the Original Cut being available on a decent format, along side the Directors/Special Edition cut of a movie , so the FAN has the CHOICE of which version/or both they want to view and the Original Cut not being consigned to annals of film history never to be viewed a decent format again.

If the Original Cuts were available a lot of fans of these movies, may well be happy for as many Directors Cuts and Special Editions as possible, because as long as you have the Original Cut, you dont have to buy or watch these Directors Cuts or the Special Editions..(you may like both cuts, who knows????)
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i agree with that, that has happened with ET and alien, i just wish it would happen more often
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Originally posted by: battlewars
just because it goes on dvd doesnt mean directors should go in a mess with the damn films! directors of genre films from the late 70's and early 80's, give it a rest! by the way i'm glad someone thought the directors cut of star trek sucked as well. now if i can only get someone to agree about superman and its lame sound alterations and its over tweaked color


And now we've found each other.

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Part of the issue(maybe), is not really changes to a movie be it on a Directors Cut or Special Edition. it is the Original Cut being available on a decent format, along side the Directors/Special Edition cut of a movie , so the FAN has the CHOICE of which version/or both they want to view and the Original Cut not being consigned to annals of film history never to be viewed a decent format again.

If the Original Cuts were available a lot of fans of these movies, may well be happy for as many Directors Cuts and Special Editions as possible, because as long as you have the Original Cut, you dont have to buy or watch these Directors Cuts or the Special Editions..(you may like both cuts, who knows????)

Excellent point.
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Originally posted by: JennyS1138
-the black and white Kansas scenes would be colorized since the current generation isn't capable of understanding why Kansas is black and white and Oz is in color


Ted Turner actually wanted to do this back in the late 80s.
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