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Gaffer Tape said:

Bingowings said:

In the OT Jedi seems to mean more than just Jedi Knight.

I always felt the same way.  And it was for that reason that it somewhat annoyed me in ROTS when Obi-Wan was made a Jedi Master.  That seemed to come out of left field.  Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight.  He fought.  He was a warrior.  He had been in wars in his youth.  Yoda was a Jedi Master.  He was a teacher.  He was a philosopher.  He was more spiritual.  It seemed an important distinction to me as a child, but that distinction was done away with in the prequels.

This is something that interests me as well.  I've been gathering notes to start a thread about what all the things in Star Wars originally meant and what we knew about the Star Wars universe in '77.  I'd like to include annotations of what was modified or expanded in '80 and '83.  I'm going to jump into it once I find my copy of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe by Bill Slavicsek, since it was one of the few works that was actually careful enough to distinguish between what was in the movies and what was EU.

 

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Maybe that was just an assumption my part, but all of those little elements we get in the OT (that one's a master, one's a knight; that one is the superior of the other; that one teaches in different ways; that one might have had the skillset to train Anakin while the other didn't) were very important because, as zombie says in his book, Yoda was basically just a replacement Obi-Wan.  They were, in essence, the same character.  So you really needed those distinctions to separate them.  But for some reason in the PT, all of those are done away with.  Obi-Wan becomes a Jedi Master, so he's basically of the same rank as Yoda.  Yoda fights with a lightsaber, so he basically does the same job as Obi-Wan.  They're both wise Jedi.  They both seem perfectly capable of training Anakin... or they both seem equally indept depending on which view you want to take.  Really, the only differences that remain are superficial.  Obi-Wan is a human, Yoda is a little green thing.  Obi-Wan speaks with a British accent.  Yoda speaks like Time magazine back in the 1930s.

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Gaffer Tape said:

Bingowings said:

In the OT Jedi seems to mean more than just Jedi Knight.

I always felt the same way.  And it was for that reason that it somewhat annoyed me in ROTS when Obi-Wan was made a Jedi Master.  That seemed to come out of left field.  Obi-Wan was a Jedi Knight.  He fought.  He was a warrior.  He had been in wars in his youth.  Yoda was a Jedi Master.  He was a teacher.  He was a philosopher.  He was more spiritual.  It seemed an important distinction to me as a child, but that distinction was done away with in the prequels.

 Honestly, the prequels ruined Jedi completely for me. I loved the scenes early on in TPM when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon entered in battle; those were the Jedi at the height of their fame, the galactic guardians. TPM portrayed them as awe inspiring warriors, but still with a sense of dignity and realism. They were stoic, thoughtful, restrained. Qui-Gon's reply "I can only protect you, I cannot fight a war for you" perfectly echoed who the Jedi were in the Original Trilogy.

After that, they became run of the mill action heroes. I was still hoping that the avalanche of material EU between TPM and AotC with over-the-top Jedi battling, that Lucas would ignore it; one of Jackson's few decent lines was at the begging of AotC: "We're keepers of the peace, not soldiers"! And yes, I though, no need to worry! Ugh...

Two hours later Jedi were, for me, forever demolished as the mystic warrior - philosophers from the Originals and became just superhero clones with lightsabers. There were more Jedi in the prequels than other character types combined. Honestly, look at the trend now - every Star Wars inspired game over the last decade has steadily involved into more and more visually overwhelming Jedi combat, every story seems to revolve around one of the "few" thousands of surviving Jedi during the reign of the Empire. It's devolved mostly to lightsaber mashing; lightsabers popped up so frequently in the prequels they're not interesting anymore. There's no more sense of excitement like when a character in the Originals ignites one.

 You just expect fancy dancing around, with minimal immersion, plot and drama. It isn't that impressive as choreography after TPM (which was the high-mark in this regard).

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That does remind me.  ScrewAttack's Video Game Vault did a review on the Shadows of the Empire game for the N64, and they seemed to imply that it was bad because there was no "lightsaber battles or force pushing."  I usually love their stuff, but I rolled my eyes.

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Gaffer Tape said:

...or they both seem equally indept depending on which view you want to take...

Uh-ho... somebodys a littel indept @ spaelling...

 

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