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DominicCobb said:

Obviously a ghost changed my post when I wasn't looking.

 If it was a ghost, you may have been looking and just not seen it.

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Ok. Everybody. I realize that the first sentence is a little sensationalist. I originally wrote this for a more general readership, not the die-hard of die-hard fans. I'm not scared like it keeps me up at night or I take meds to calm me down (those are for the voices in my head).

I am very much looking forward to the upcoming films by some talented directors. I avoid all things VII so as to fully enjoy it in December. That said, I still don't like that Disney is finding the flavor of the month directors to make them. I think I like Abrams more than others, I've been on the Rian Johnson bandwagon since opening night of Brick, and I watch The Lego Movie about once a week (thanks to my kids). However, I would be more excited about announcements of well-established, trusted directors. Do I want old-timers exclusively? No. But I don't want guys who have only done two or three movies exclusively, either. Balance... in the force... or something like that. 

Anchorhead, thanks for the chart but I don't think it is completely comparable. If you were to make a chart of fresh directors who made sequels and we can see how well those turned out (James Cameron and Aliens, for example), then I think that would be a better prediction.

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I'd rather have the directors who grew up as fans of the originals and are inspired by the "well-established, trusted directors" than those directors. Most of them are also into their own franchises or outgrew franchises years ago. I mean, look at Ridley Scott. He came back to a franchise he created and made "Prometheus". Do we want that in our Star Wars?

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doubleofive said:

I'd rather have the directors who grew up as fans of the originals and are inspired by the "well-established, trusted directors" than those directors. Most of them are also into their own franchises or outgrew franchises years ago. I mean, look at Ridley Scott. He came back to a franchise he created and made "Prometheus". Do we want that in our Star Wars?

 I don't disagree with you. Lucas went back to his franchise and look what we got. It's funny you mention Scott because after watching Star Wars he said, "I want to do that" and made Alien and Blade Runner.

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doubleofive said:

I'd rather have the directors who grew up as fans of the originals and are inspired by the "well-established, trusted directors" than those directors. Most of them are also into their own franchises or outgrew franchises years ago. I mean, look at Ridley Scott. He came back to a franchise he created and made "Prometheus". Do we want that in our Star Wars?

 We liked Prometheus better than Blade Runner.

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Don't concern yourself with future of Star Wars films... nothing matters any more.

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I would say that most interesting point is that these directors are almost exclusively fantasy-genre directors.

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Lucas made Star Wars all while defying convention of the day.  He didnt know any better.  He was gifted but still an idealistic noob.

He was part of a group of young Hollywood film makers who were determined to show that you dont have to know the rules or play by them.

I like what Disney is doing.  Well....I dont like it per se but it doesnt bother me either.  There are going to be some duds but some real gems too.  The duds wont alter my perception or appreciation of the OT.  The Prequels certainly didn't.

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The future SW films "concern" me because no matter how good they are, no matter how talented Rian Johnson is, no matter how good TFA is, they will NEVER equal the majesty and brilliance of the original trilogy.  Even if they were better films in every way, they will never bring back the wonder and joy of the originals in the time and place they were made and released.

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I look at the franchises as fanfiction. Some of it is quite good (TESB) and most of it is quite bad (everything else, yes that includes ROTJ).

What bothers me is the merchandising juggernaut.  I've seen a lot of the recent SW toys and they're junk.  A lot of the pages carrying news about TFA carry a lot of news about the toys and people (adults I am guessing) are going nuts about the toys.

I don't really care about the toys.  I know the merchandising paid for the brand as we know it today, but really, a lot of what has been produced is pretty awful.  Screw all the toys, the action figures, etc.  Please give me a good movie.  I'm not expecting sequel quality of TESB but please, at least a lot better than ROTJ/PT.

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Newbie to this forum here! Hi all. Greetings from the heart of new england!

On to the response:

I too am concerned for the future of SWs. One of Lucas' original desires to make SW was the desire to bring the classic good vs. evil, and feel-good classic movies portrayed in the westerns of the 50s and 60s (which I would never watch personally, no fascination with that genre) back in new form, to the newer generation. (of the 70s) Although Abrams may be a good storyteller- his shows/films are much darker and realistic, and so will have almost none of  the classic/idealistic good guys vs. bad, outlook. I fear these new movies will be much grittier (not a good thing in my opinion) and will make the characters much more "fallen" (even the good guys) in a way. In essence, he will take the "hero" out of the films, a "hero" in the purest sense as a new hope portrayed.

While the force awakens might be entertaining and emotionally charged, I think the magic of the original trilogies, (and the universe created therein) will be lost.

And yes, another great point ..... he has no experience in the space sci-fi realm.

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So Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness never happened?

Also, Mission Impossible 3 and Super 8 have a pretty clear definition of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

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regularjoe said:

I look at the franchises as fanfiction. Some of it is quite good (TESB) and most of it is quite bad (everything else, yes that includes ROTJ).

What bothers me is the merchandising juggernaut.  I've seen a lot of the recent SW toys and they're junk.  A lot of the pages carrying news about TFA carry a lot of news about the toys and people (adults I am guessing) are going nuts about the toys.

I don't really care about the toys.  I know the merchandising paid for the brand as we know it today, but really, a lot of what has been produced is pretty awful.  Screw all the toys, the action figures, etc.  Please give me a good movie.  I'm not expecting sequel quality of TESB but please, at least a lot better than ROTJ/PT.

 Tacky Star Wars merchandise is nothing new. ;)

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Anchorhead, thanks for the chart but I don't think it is completely comparable. If you were to make a chart of fresh directors who made sequels and we can see how well those turned out (James Cameron and Aliens, for example), then I think that would be a better prediction.

 I'd agree- what do all those directors listed have in common? They are all from a previous generation (the 70s & 80s) ...... and thus they grew up seeing different films themselves, not to mention having a different outlook in general compared to this generation.

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Frank your Majesty said:

So Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness never happened?

Also, Mission Impossible 3 and Super 8 have a pretty clear definition of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

 uggg ... I'm a SWs guy, definitely not a trekie. Haven't even seen those trek films. (probably never will)

I've actually not seen super 8 either, and have become bored with the M.I. series. (which I definitely wouldn't call classics in any sense) So I guess I can't comment on any of your examples.

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sunglassesatnite said:

The future SW films "concern" me because no matter how good they are, no matter how talented Rian Johnson is, no matter how good TFA is, they will NEVER equal the majesty and brilliance of the original trilogy.  Even if they were better films in every way, they will never bring back the wonder and joy of the originals in the time and place they were made and released.

 well said.

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TV's Frink said:

 We look at franchises as fruit.  Some have to be peeled, some washed.

What about depitted? 

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TV's Frink said:

regularjoe said:

I look at the franchises as fanfiction. Some of it is quite good (TESB) and most of it is quite bad (everything else, yes that includes ROTJ).

 We look at franchises as fruit.  Some have to be peeled, some washed.

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Gael said:

Frank your Majesty said:

So Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness never happened?

Also, Mission Impossible 3 and Super 8 have a pretty clear definition of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

 uggg ... I'm a SWs guy, definitely not a trekie. Haven't even seen those trek films. (probably never will)

I've actually not seen super 8 either, and have become bored with the M.I. series. (which I definitely wouldn't call classics in any sense) So I guess I can't comment on any of your examples.

 Trust us, Star Trek is sci-fi.

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doubleofive said:

I'd rather have the directors who grew up as fans of the originals and are inspired by the "well-established, trusted directors" than those directors. Most of them are also into their own franchises or outgrew franchises years ago. I mean, look at Ridley Scott. He came back to a franchise he created and made "Prometheus". Do we want that in our Star Wars?

 We liked Prometheus better than Blade Runner.

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 Trust us, Star Trek is sci-fi.

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ST may be sci-fi, but it's not "good" sci-fi. (IMHO)

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There's an argument to be made that Star Wars hasn't been clear cut good vs. bad, idealistic, and lighthearted since 1980.