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Why such hate on the OT DVD set?

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I personally like the new OT DVD set more than the OOT. The first time I ever saw STAR WARS Was back in 1977 and I loved it. I have seen every STAR WARS Film on its release day / night since then. I like the new DVD versions alot better than the OOT and 1997. My reasons being are because I can watch Episode 1 - 6 When ROTS Comes out this fall on DVD, and everything shall fall into place perfectly. I think adding HC to ROTJ Is actually a wise thing to do. A jedi dies when s/he falls to the darkside, and Anakins body was pretty messed up after Obi-Wan gave him the fight of his life. I think that it makes better sense to have HC as Anakin in ROTJ.

When It comes to Greedo shooting first, I do not mind. It makes Han Solo look like a bigger badass I think. It is like Han never flinched and kept his cool then killed Greedo in just 1 shot. Han shooting first just makes him look like a jackass who is not calm and cool and does not do well under pressure, IMHO.

Having Padme die in ROTS Is also a good thing I like, If you watch ROTJ and listen to what look has to say about his mother, then you will understand more.

Jedi Rocks is kind of cheesey, but It does not take away from the story so I do not mind.

My only real problems with the DVD set is that The Lightsabers look dull and need to be corrected, The DeathStar battle in Episode 4 is the only thing that actually needs CGI. I mean come on lucas, if you are going to use CGI..add X-wings and Tie-Fighters duking it out. I also would not mind the Intro sequence in Episode 4 being CGI, The flames need some work on, along with all the laser blast in Episode 4 & 5.

Things I ask for in the next edit are for more Music to be placed into Episode 4 (some of the scenes, even in 1977 to me just seemed so bland)



When the 30th Anniversary comes out, it would be nice to see Episodes 1 - 6 to be like this.




Everything is the way it was in the 2004 edit

But with Color corrections, betterquality of picture (u can still kind of tell it looks out dated)

Episode 4 has more music (John Williams is the best music composer next to Howard Shore)

Possible scene in Episode 4 with Palpatine disolving the senate on Coruscant (it would be a short scene, so if he could do it with as little CGI...that would be great because I know the herdy fans would flame this great film to no end if it had tons of CGI, I would like to see CGI though)

Flame me all you want for this one...but I wanna see Qui Gon at least. If your gonna have HC..why not throw in Qui Gons crazy ass..now its a party. After all...Qui Gon did trigger alot of this stuff in STAR WARS.


In Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 Either add a Puppet Yoda to all scenes (of course except the fighting scenes) or a CGI Yoda. I want Lucas to stick with 1 version of yoda that seems to AGE over the course of thing, not look old, young, old. If he wants to use his Mitichlorion BS..then use the CGI yoda. Using CGI is alot easier to chage dialogue with, than with a puppet (DUH) And possibly add Talk of Qui Gon or Mace or something.

ROTJ Should end showing the JEDI Ghost after it shows the rebels and landos absurred clapping dance, since the series did start with them.


I think after the 30th Anniversary EDIT, Lucas should no longer change the films. Hopefully he will have them to the point he can watch Episodes 1 - 6 and be content with himself.


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I think adding HC to ROTJ Is actually a wise thing to do. A jedi dies when s/he falls to the darkside, and Anakins body was pretty messed up after Obi-Wan gave him the fight of his life. I think that it makes better sense to have HC as Anakin in ROTJ.


However, not everyone agrees with that (including myself). To me, the whole point of ROTJ was that Vader finally realised that he was wrong (after over 20 years of his Sith life) and was redeemed by Luke Skywalker. That's the climax of the saga. To say that Anakin died in Ep. III and it's not possible for him to come back is a very depressing thought. It also doesn't make sense. I am thoroughly convinced that Vader saw the light in ROTJ. He asked Luke to lift his mask so that he could gaze upon him with his own eyes. That's symbolic- Vader's mask came off; therefore Anakin has turned back to the light side. It makes complete and total sense and there was absolutely no need to botch it.

You also have to wonder why, in the 2004 DVD's, Luke doesn't wonder who the teenager is that's standing next to Ben and Yoda. In the original version, he smiles (recognizing all of them). But if I were him, I would wonder who that kid was now.

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As for the Anakin ghost thing, the whole point of being redeemed is that when you die as a Sith reborn Jedi, you go back to the physical form representing the JEDI you were before you took the Sith transformation. If Anakin was played by a young actor in 1983 then I am sure none of you would have this problem. I think it is just a mentality thing most STAR WARS Fans have because they grew up on this, like I said before. We need to stop being greedy ourselves and claiming the series as our own, it is everybodys film and if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him. He in no way alters the story, only in your mind does he do it and that is why the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.

If luke is the JEDI Knight he claimed him self to be, as well as Yoda says he will be after he confrotns Vader, Then Luke will know of the ability to see The JEDI when they learned Qui Gons new ability, and Understand through the Force who that young man Is. If you are an JEDI And do not know anything about the JEDI Dying as he becomes a Sith thing (as I stated in the above paragraph) Then you are no JEDI Knight/ JEDI Master, Just a padawan learner. We all know Luke is at Least a JEDI Knight, so why even act like he would not know about all that stuff? Do not try to make STAR WARS Something that it is not.
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Qui-Gon Jinn: Do you hear that?
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Jar Jar Binks: Yeah.
Qui-Gon Jinn: That is the sound of a thousand terrible things headed this way.
Obi-Wan: If they find us, they will crush us, grind us into TINY pieces and BLAST us into oblivion!
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When It comes to Greedo shooting first, I do not mind. It makes Han Solo look like a bigger badass I think. It is like Han never flinched and kept his cool then killed Greedo in just 1 shot. Han shooting first just makes him look like a jackass who is not calm and cool and does not do well under pressure, IMHO.

Well it makes him look like a lucky son of a bitch but i would have him shoot first anyway cos his character changes later on.


Having Padme die in ROTS Is also a good thing I like, If you watch ROTJ and listen to what look has to say about his mother, then you will understand more.

Well agreed.


Jedi Rocks is kind of cheesey, but It does not take away from the story so I do not mind.



Lapti Nek must be put back.


My only real problems with the DVD set is that The Lightsabers look dull and need to be corrected, The DeathStar battle in Episode 4 is the only thing that actually needs CGI. I mean come on lucas, if you are going to use CGI..add X-wings and Tie-Fighters duking it out. I also would not mind the Intro sequence in Episode 4 being CGI, The flames need some work on, along with all the laser blast in Episode 4 & 5.

I would correct the lightsabers no doubt, add more Tie fighters and Y-Wings to the Death Star Battle would be good.


Things I ask for in the next edit are for more Music to be placed into Episode 4 (some of the scenes, even in 1977 to me just seemed so bland)

Imperial March and a possible "Battle of the Heroes" could be put in.


When the 30th Anniversary comes out, it would be nice to see Episodes 1 - 6 to be like this.

Episode 4 has more music (John Williams is the best music composer next to Howard Shore)


Yep like i said before.


Possible scene in Episode 4 with Palpatine disolving the senate on Coruscant (it would be a short scene, so if he could do it with as little CGI...that would be great because I know the herdy fans would flame this great film to no end if it had tons of CGI, I would like to see CGI though)

No, as a huge Ian McDiarmid and Emperor fan I always wanted this to be put in but i have finally decided NO!. It slows down the pace of the film, Tarkin already mentions that the Emperor has dissolved the Senate making it reduntand. Sidious/Palpatine was a huge head and main character in ROTS and would be quite strange for him not to appear in A New Hope and it's really artistic. After ROTS you only see him in a holo in ESB and you finally get to see him in ROTJ and what has become of him with his grotesque appearance after 20 years.

What I would add is a Vader and Emperor holo at the end of the film in Coruscant where you see obviously Palpy as a holo and they discuss the Destruction of the DS, Tarkin, Obi-Wan.


Flame me all you want for this one...but I wanna see Qui Gon at least. If your gonna have HC..why not throw in Qui Gons crazy ass..now its a party. After all...Qui Gon did trigger alot of this stuff in STAR WARS.

I too want to see Qui-Gonn in ROTJ, but only when Luke turns around you see him making eye contact with Obi (Alec not Ewan!!), muppet Yoda and Hayden.


In Episodes 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 Either add a Puppet Yoda to all scenes (of course except the fighting scenes) or a CGI Yoda. I want Lucas to stick with 1 version of yoda that seems to AGE over the course of thing, not look old, young, old. If he wants to use his Mitichlorion BS..then use the CGI yoda. Using CGI is alot easier to chage dialogue with, than with a puppet (DUH) And possibly add Talk of Qui Gon or Mace or something.

Well i would CG Yoda for the PT, but not in the OT!

ROTJ Should end showing the JEDI Ghost after it shows the rebels and landos absurred clapping dance, since the series did start with them.

But the Rebels and the gang are the ones that brought peace and destroyed the Empire, Luke Skywalker has finally destroyed the Sith which the whole saga was about, Why show the ghosts????


I think after the 30th Anniversary EDIT, Lucas should no longer change the films. Hopefully he will have them to the point he can watch Episodes 1 - 6 and be content with himself.

Yep, agreed.

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I will say this.

Say what you will about any other battle scene, but I'll cast a Sith Curse on George Lucas if the Death Star battle in ANH is tampered with any further.

That scene is perfect. That sequence is everything that defines Star Wars. To tamper with it any further is to destroy any merit Star Wars ever had.

The Death Star scene MUST NOT BE TAMPERED WITH!
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The Death Star scene MUST NOT BE TAMPERED WITH!


Too late, though- they practically redid every shot with CG for the SE.

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if Lucas wants to alter the images of Episodes 4 - 6 Because he wants the new generation and generations to come to enjoy it, then let him.


I know so many kids from the new generation that enjoy the original versions more than the SE's, it isn't funny. The others haven't even seen the originals and therefore think that the SE is better.

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He in no way alters the story


Even if that was true, changing story isn't the only problem. A long, long time ago, people used to pay attention to pacing and aesthetics as well.

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the hardcore fans should have their mental capacity checked out by a professional psychiatrist.


My my! Getting excited?

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If luke is the JEDI Knight he claimed him self to be, as well as Yoda says he will be after he confrotns Vader, Then Luke will know of the ability to see The JEDI when they learned Qui Gons new ability, and Understand through the Force who that young man Is.


Hold on a second. Luke never really finished his training- he was kind of a rush job. Even though Yoda tells him he will be a Jedi after he confronts Vader, there was no doubt a lot of things he could (and should) have learned from Yoda. I rather doubt that Luke is so adept at using the Force by the end of the film that he can immediately know who this weird kid is.

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If you are an JEDI And do not know anything about the JEDI Dying as he becomes a Sith thing (as I stated in the above paragraph) Then you are no JEDI Knight/ JEDI Master, Just a padawan learner. We all know Luke is at Least a JEDI Knight, so why even act like he would not know about all that stuff?


Things weren't so organized in the OT days so that Luke would get a rank of "padawan" or "master". All Yoda talks about is becoming a JEDI. Who's to say that that wouldn't be the equivalent of a padawan in the PT days? We don't know, but we know that Luke was a more desperate and less organized project. And after very little training from Ben in the orginal film, he's already hearing his voice. By TESB, he's seeing his ghost. These were not things that anyone taught him to see. And he should have seen the older, redeemed Vader at the end- otherwise, it implies that Vader was not saved from the dark side and the entire trilogy and saga become very pointless.

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Do not try to make STAR WARS Something that it is not.


Sir, Star Wars changes with every movie. With the PT, it changed for the worst. Fans have every right to treasure the OT as its own complete story. They are not fanboys- they're true Star Wars fans as well. You need to understand and respect that.

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Originally posted by: Tony
As for the Anakin ghost thing, the whole point of being redeemed is that when you die as a Sith reborn Jedi, you go back to the physical form representing the JEDI you were before you took the Sith transformation.


The Anakin shown in ROTJ is Hayden from Ep III. But he doesn't have that metal arm he had by the end of Ep II. So the above notion doesn't hold water. Lucas also needs for HC to have that metal hand in the closing shot.

Or, like everybody who understands good writing, HC just doesn't belong in the shot at all. Anakin was redeemed before he died. Sebastian Shaw portrayed Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ, both as a physically scarred human and as the spirit of how he would have looked without his physical scars.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Or, like everybody who understands good writing, HC just doesn't belong in the shot at all. Anakin was redeemed before he died. Sebastian Shaw portrayed Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ, both as a physically scarred human and as the spirit of how he would have looked without his physical scars.


Couldnt have said it better (and more concisely) myself

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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Hmm, haven't heard anything back from Tony in a while...

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Even if that was true, changing story isn't the only problem. A long, long time ago, people used to pay attention to pacing and aesthetics as well.


Indeed, it annoys me when people act like "not altering the story" is somehow a big deal. When it all comes down to it, the storyline is really the least important aspect. If it wasn't, no one would watch Star Wars because it's nothing but a bunch of time-honored fantasy cliches put in a sci-fi setting. You might as well be saying "it doesn't matter what Lucas does to Star Wars because we can just read Lord of the Rings instead."

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IMO, the only change that was made that I DO NOT like is putting HC at the end of ROTJ. When I saw that, I felt like Lucas had gone too far. I'm okay with him changing the films to spruce up the effects and make the flow more with the PT....but only if he keeps the OOT available for hardcore fans. If he does make a few more changes in a few years time, I would hope that I have the option on the DVD to watch the newest edition of the OT along with the OOT so I can see where the film has gone. I believe keeping the OOT intact is EXTREMELY important.

But like I said, the only change that I really had an issue with was putting HC in. (I didn't like adding Jaba in IV and didn't like that song in VI - but I can live with those changes - it's just HC that bothers me.)
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i have a weird relationship with the SEs and the SSE on the DVD, cause some changes I don't mind, others I don't notice, and still others annoy the crap out of me. all things being equal, i'd rather have the OOT on DVD.

BUT to me, having even the SSEs on DVD blew my mind, cause to me, the movies looked so good. i've read posters who say the movies were poorly restored, and i admit I'm no film expert or techie on this score. but when i popped those DVDs in for the first time, they really looked like new movies to me. it was pretty awesome.

and i do think the doc on the set is pretty solid. there should be WAY more extras, but it's a good doc, beefy and with lots of quotes.
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1) Some of the edits are good and needed.
2) Some are excessive but okay.
3) Some are just too much and distracting.
4) Some are horrible.

Examples of each:

1) The lightsaber fixes, removing of matte lines, addition of dewbacks, and opening Could City's landscape, adding the correct Palps to ESB.

2) I think that Hayden at the end of ROTJ falls into category two. I think it doesn't NEED to be there. Having the old man didn't hurt the film, but I can justify it in my mind, just fine. The wampa scenes in ESB don't help the film, but they don't really hurt it either.

3) The tentacled sarlaac pit. ...it doesn't really change anything, but it looks kind of fake to me. ...and stupid crap like burping frogs and robots hitting each other in transition scenes.

4) Hmm...the CGI Jabba is pretty bad, and the Greedo scene is abysmal, but the worst of all of the edits is the musical number in Jedi....awful....just horrible. It gives me chills up my spine, because it's so out of place, not to mention that he has every character stop and look into the camera. ...and everyone looks like a cartoon.

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Well, first I'd like to say to the person who started this thread: the original-trilogy forum isn't the best of places to start about changes being good. When you do that it's either to provoke or to get pooped on deliberately. But about the things you suggest to be changed, they are ridiculous. Adding CGI material to a movie from the seventies?! Come on, there's no way you will get that to fit/blend in, just put one of those official DVD's on and you'll see what I mean. All added CGI is very badly done, no realism whatsoever, it's just destracting.
You really shouldn't tamper with something that's earned such a wide appreciation, after 20 years it has grown on to people, human nature. And there is no reason to change anything in the first place: the OT has proven itself the way it is. My opinion is, if you really MUST change anything, just fix some flaws and leave it at that.

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