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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
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The X-wings and TIE fighters in TFA are newer models.
Cool story bro.
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
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The X-wings and TIE fighters in TFA are newer models.
Cool story bro.
Lol, great counterargument.
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I said my mission was simply to make people accept…
You don’t have a mission here.
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
No, but our primary tank, the M1 Abrams, entered service in 1980.
I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
No, but our primary tank, the M1 Abrams, entered service in 1980.
Yes and Soviet Union collapsed in 80s ending the arms race and any serious competition. In Star Wars case we have the exact opposite scenario; the Empire’s monopoly ended after ROTJ, making the two sides more equal, increasing the competition and arms race between Empire leftover and New Republic. By the time of TFA, dozens of models should have gone through the evolution for each role (fighter, bomber, etc.). What we have instead is the exact same things we have seen in ROTJ. Actually even one step back, since we don’t even see the newer ships from ROTJ.
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
No, but our primary tank, the M1 Abrams, entered service in 1980.
It all makes sense now!
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
No, but our primary tank, the M1 Abrams, entered service in 1980.
Yes and Soviet Union collapsed in 80s ending the arms race and any serious competition. In Star Wars case we have the exact opposite scenario; the Empire’s monopoly ended after ROTJ, making the two sides more equal, increasing the competition and arms race between Empire leftover and New Republic. By the time of TFA, dozens of models should have gone through the evolution for each role (fighter, bomber, etc.). What we have instead is the exact same things we have seen in ROTJ. Actually even one step back, since we don’t even see the newer ships from ROTJ.
But that’s not the political scene by the time of TFA (I know the film glossed it over, however). The Republic didn’t even know the First Order existed until recently (as in Bloodline whenever the First Order is brought up, it’s as a big secret that nobody’s supposed to know about) while the Novelization of TFA goes over how the Republic doesn’t consider the FO a threat, hence the Resistance.
Now, one can argue that this is stuff that should’ve been in the film in the first place (and I wouldn’t disagree, TFA really didn’t do a good job of setting the landscape), but it’ll likely be a major factor in how the sequels will play out, while also contradicting your opinion of it being a Cold War esque situation for the last 30 years.
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The X-wings and TIE fighters in TFA are newer models.
Cool story bro.
The truth will set you free.
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Like any fundamentalist, Imp’scum won’t accept any truth other than his own.
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And if we still have tanks in 2017 then it’s more than reasonable that X-Wings and TIE Fighters are in TFA.
Of course. We still have Mark I tanks from WW1 as primary tanks.
No, but our primary tank, the M1 Abrams, entered service in 1980.
Yes and Soviet Union collapsed in 80s ending the arms race and any serious competition. In Star Wars case we have the exact opposite scenario; the Empire’s monopoly ended after ROTJ, making the two sides more equal, increasing the competition and arms race between Empire leftover and New Republic. By the time of TFA, dozens of models should have gone through the evolution for each role (fighter, bomber, etc.). What we have instead is the exact same things we have seen in ROTJ. Actually even one step back, since we don’t even see the newer ships from ROTJ.
But that’s not the political scene by the time of TFA (I know the film glossed it over, however). The Republic didn’t even know the First Order existed until recently (as in Bloodline whenever the First Order is brought up, it’s as a big secret that nobody’s supposed to know about) while the Novelization of TFA goes over how the Republic doesn’t consider the FO a threat, hence the Resistance.
Now, one can argue that this is stuff that should’ve been in the film in the first place (and I wouldn’t disagree, TFA really didn’t do a good job of setting the landscape), but it’ll likely be a major factor in how the sequels will play out, while also contradicting your opinion of it being a Cold War esque situation for the last 30 years.
Even if First Order was somehow a secret, of which there no indication in the film it was, you still do not account for the fact that the conflict extended beyond ROTJ (on a more equal terms) and the fact that we already see new ships in ROTJ on both sides that disappeared in TFA.
They wanted to rehash TIE vs Xwing. It is as simple as that.
The X-wings and TIE fighters in TFA are newer models.
Cool story bro.
The truth will set you free.
It is basically the same thing. In WW2 analogy, that would be 1-2 year of improvement on the same model. For example, like from A6M2 to A6M3. Not 30+ years of war-driven evolution.
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In WW2 analogy
Star Wars does not take place on Earth, or even in Earth’s galaxy. You keep trying to force an analogy that is irrelevant.
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Not 30+ years of war-driven evolution.
And where is it ever stated that the galaxy has been in a perpetual war for the last 30 years?
Because the crawl indicates:
Luke Skywalker has vanished. In his absence, the sinister FIRST ORDER has risen from the ashes of the Empire and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi, has been destroyed.
To contiue from there we have to look at the canon that was created alongside of the film.
The book Before the Awakening states the following about the First Order:
The First Order is a remnant born of a war thirty years gone. Yes, they persist, yes, they continue, but by all accounts they do so barely. They are, at best, an ill-organized, poorly equipped, and badly funded group of loyalists who use propaganda and fear to inflate their strength and their importance.
The fighting continued for a year after the Battle of Endor, coming to a head at the final battle at Jakku. After which:
In the month since the Battle of Jakku, the Empire has attempted no further large-scale offensives. Sources report all Imperial vessels within the Core and Inner Rim staying within the boundaries defined by the treaty. A few prominent members of the Provisional Senate have speculated that the New Republic’s war with the remnants of the Empire has finally come to an end and that a final surrender may be imminent.
The Empire formally surrendered and signed the Galactic Concordance peace treaty.
From there the New Republic and Empire were at peace for decades. It wasn’t until Kylo and the Knights of Ren destroyed the new Jedi Academy that the First Order rose to power.
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Looks like Kilo is getting his own Tie-Advanced Fighter, and a cape inspired in Vader’s… I guess they’ll give him a Super Star First-Order-which-renders-this-totally-different Destroyer as well.
Even forgiving TFA for its recycled elements due to a clear insecurity on market potential, having this strategy still going in VIII feels like pure lazyness to me. I hope to be wrong.
And we’re still arguing on the visual lazyness of keeping the same designs with (symplifying) different colour schemes, while the justification for that, which is the deliberately conservative decission they took on the plot to make the FO have the upper hand in apparent funding and tech (the question that gives name to this thread) remains and will certainly remain unanswered because they simply applied a no-innovation policy.
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I will start off with the fact that I do not care about any books. The films should be self sufficient.
Of course the war could probably not last continually for 30 years. Nevertheless, it is safe to assume that Empire did not cease to exist at the end of ROTJ.
Even if we somehow play stupid and assume that practically no development was made on both side in 30 years, there are many new ships on both sides in ROTJ that are not in TFA.
It just a dirty rehash. That is the reality.
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The films should be self sufficient.
it is safe to assume that Empire did not cease to exist at the end of ROTJ.
Oh.
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Sure, let’s judge the entire technological advancement of the Star Wars universe by a single cell of an unsupported faction that has no capital ships and a single wing of fighters and an army that the government doesn’t even believe exists and is designed to specifically evoke the Empire.
Why are we even still talking about this?
It just a dirty rehash. That is the reality.
Oh.
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The films should be self sufficient.
it is safe to assume that Empire did not cease to exist at the end of ROTJ.
Oh.
ALLOL
Usually it takes him a post or two to contradict himself that badly. He’s really upping the ante here.
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The films should be self sufficient.
it is safe to assume that Empire did not cease to exist at the end of ROTJ.
Oh.
ROTJ did its job. The fault is with TFA.
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They both did their jobs.
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a single cell of an unsupported faction that has no capital ships and a single wing of fighters and an army that the government doesn’t even believe exists and is designed to specifically evoke the Empire.
If I read this without knowing TFA and how bad it is, I would think it is impossible for someone come up with such stupid plot element within post-ROTJ universe. This is yet another example how they came up with something awful just so they could rehash something; in this case good guys weak vs bad guys strong.
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The films should be self sufficient.
it is safe to assume that Empire did not cease to exist at the end of ROTJ.
Oh.
ROTJ did its job. The fault is with TFA.
Cool story bro.
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a single cell of an unsupported faction that has no capital ships and a single wing of fighters and an army that the government doesn’t even believe exists and is designed to specifically evoke the Empire.
If I read this without knowing TFA
You’ve demonstrated you don’t.
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Why does Kylo wear a helmet if he doesn’t need one and it is never established before in the saga that bad guys must be helmeted?