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Why Doesn't the Resistance have Tie Fighters in The Fore Awakens? — Page 2

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So it sounds like people get where I was coming from.

Now for the next movie I am not sure how they are going to show the FO as credible force with any scale. They just invested: $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
On the galaxies biggest weapon and had it blown up, you have to think they will be low on resources to stage a full call war and will have to fight in Guerrilla fashion.

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I always saw the First Order as an ISIS type group that is able to take up arms and take over a small part of the world/galaxy through fanaticism. Obviously, they don’t have the ressources to take over the whole galaxy, but they are a worry since they have weapons and followers and can grow.

The Resistance is more like a special/black ops group that do a lot of the dirtier work that an official army would not do.

Back to my ISIS comparison, I guess the Starkiller Base is akin to ISIS developing a nuclear bomb and blowing up Washington. My one problem with TFA is the fact that they have a HUGE planet sized planet killer. I would have liked to have seen something smaller and more crude. I don’t think it even has to blow up the planets into pieces, maybe it just kills all carbon life forms, like a gas or the Genesis device from ST.

Who knows, I don’t know. I just feel the StarKiller is the main drag of TFA, a movie I love otherwise. It’s a silly overused Macguffin.

What’s the internal temperature of a TaunTaun? Luke warm.

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I think the First Order is more akin to Russia coming out of the Cold War than Germany coming out of WWII. By killing the Emperor, they cut off the head. But there was still a galaxy-wide “navy” to carry the torch.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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It would go a long way to making Starkiller Base a reasonable weapon if construction began just after the destruction of Alderaan. This way the first Death Star would have been a proof of concept, allowing for the massive allocation of resources to such a project as well as giving the galaxy a feared weapon in the Death Star while their ultimate weapon was being developed over several decades.

After the revelation of the Death Star’s weakness, the official answer would have been to give it an energy shield, and with most of their resources tied up in the Starkiller project, the Empire provided only a quick and dirty proof of concept for the energy shield with the Second Death star. Unfortunately for the Emperor, he got cocky and got himself killed. This had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. Come, lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy.
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The real question should be why does Empire still have TIE fighters 30 years after they became obsolete and were phased out by TIE interceptors. The simplest answer is because TFA is a rehash crap.

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NeverarGreat said:
had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

But then how is it that a planet-size shield wasn’t made into a big feature 40 years before TFA in Eadu, but then the suspiciously well funded First Order (whatever a first order is or means) fails to put one around its most cherished weapon?

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Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

But then how is it that a planet-size shield wasn’t made into a big feature 40 years before TFA in Eadu, but then the suspiciously well funded First Order (whatever a first order is or means) fails to put one around its most cherished weapon?

They did have a shield did they not? That is why the Millennium Falcon jumped out of hyperspace literally in the atmosphere.

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dahmage said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

But then how is it that a planet-size shield wasn’t made into a big feature 40 years before TFA in Eadu, but then the suspiciously well funded First Order (whatever a first order is or means) fails to put one around its most cherished weapon?

They did have a shield did they not? That is why the Millennium Falcon jumped out of hyperspace literally in the atmosphere.

I don’t remember the movie much, but after that, didn’t the xwings come into the atmosphere as if there was nothing?

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Mithrandir said:

dahmage said:

Mithrandir said:

NeverarGreat said:
had the effect of freezing innovations on the Starkiller project, which kept the planetary shield tested with the Second Death Star but didn’t boast any other defenses of note.

As the Empire lost more and more ground, their ability to complete the project was impaired, so it took 30 more years and a change of management to finally finish Starkiller Base.

But then how is it that a planet-size shield wasn’t made into a big feature 40 years before TFA in Eadu, but then the suspiciously well funded First Order (whatever a first order is or means) fails to put one around its most cherished weapon?

They did have a shield did they not? That is why the Millennium Falcon jumped out of hyperspace literally in the atmosphere.

I don’t remember the movie much, but after that, didn’t the xwings come into the atmosphere as if there was nothing?

No, the plan was to infiltrate the base and then disable the shields from the ground. Which is what the whole Phasma kidnapping bit was about. Finding and rescuing Rey was secondary.

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I love all the complaints about TFA that are followed up by “I don’t remember the movie very well.”

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The real question should be why does Empire still have TIE fighters 30 years after they became obsolete and were phased out by TIE interceptors. The simplest answer is because TFA is a rehash crap.

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Who said they were phased out by TIE interceptors? Is that from a stupid video game no one cares about? That’d be like saying the X-wing was phased out by a B-wing.

And I’m sure you’re about to come in and tell me how the interceptor is superior and blah blah blah details that literally don’t matter for shit. But I don’t recall anything in the film that implies they’re anything but a different kind of fighter.

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TV’s Frink said:

I love all the complaints about TFA that are followed up by “I don’t remember the movie very well.”

Then you might be in love with the fact that it isn’t quite a memorable movie! As far as I remember, they went down there to blow up the random generic part that always has to be blown. But I’m surely wrong!

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Man, these forums sure have changed. TFA fanboyism is reaching a level even the PT lovers can’t match. Several posts above with valid criticism against obvious stupidities and plot holes in TFA and the answer is to insult people? Jeez, TFA sure does matter A LOT!! Dare the infidels not like it!

Meh. OT.com was a better place.

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I’ve been insulted by plenty of PT fanboys so…

Also if you’re talking about our treatment of Impscum; we bash him because he has been doing this shtick for months where he acts as pompous as possible. Though it should be painfully obvious.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also if you’re talking about our treatment of Impscum; we bash him because he has been doing this shtick for months where he acts as pompous as possible.

Only months?

For however long this “I am the truth” shite has been going on. I definitely remember it popping up post TFA.

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He was a pompous asshole long before TFA came out.

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But not like this. He took his base personality and multiplied it by 5.

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Tobar said:
Finding and rescuing Rey was secondary.

It was Finn’s primary objective.