Maybe if George had brought Liam back to do the Qui-Gon voiceover in Episode III? Seriously, the technology existed in 2005 that Liam could have phoned his lines in from just about anywhere.
As it stands, name dropping Qui-Gon in the scene between Yoda and Obi Wan just seems to come in out of nowhere.
Where were you in '77?
Cheaper to name drop.
Just ignore the prequels and you don’t have to worry about **** like this.
Yeah, but it can be fun to deconstruct them sometimes. I sometimes learn more from bad movies than I do good ones. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Cheaper to name drop.
At least until Liam actually did a Clone Wars episode. 😉
Where were you in '77?
I really have no time for you
The contradictions in Georges storytelling between the OT & PT are well known,…I’m not going to retell them to you,…watch th films with a critical eye
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Sure, but the issue you are harping on is not a contradiction in any way.
Maybe if George had brought Liam back to do the Qui-Gon voiceover in Episode III? Seriously, the technology existed in 2005 that Liam could have phoned his lines in from just about anywhere.
As it stands, name dropping Qui-Gon in the scene between Yoda and Obi Wan just seems to come in out of nowhere.
We heard Neeson in AotC though.
And it’s more fun to get the news WITH Obi-Wan.
Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.
Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL
Do you guys even watch the movies?
The Sifo-Dyas complaint is one of the more baffling ones.
Obi-Wan says to Mace and Yoda that Sifo-Dyas supposedly ordered the army. Mace and Yoda exchange dark looks. Obi-Wan then says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas had died before the date the army was commissioned. That lets us in on what Mace’s concerned look was about. Sifo-Dyas died before that date, so Mace says that whoever placed the order did not have the authorization of the Jedi council.
Then of course Obi-Wan is captured and learns who made the army by following Jango. Yoda has already left for Kamino though so he can’t tell him.
Then the ending scene with the three of them in the council chamber.
Obi- "I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory."
Yoda- “No, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone war has”.
They know that Sifo-Dyas was a fake name used by Dooku. But it’s the clone army or no army. Either they fight this war, or just roll over for the Sith.
Maybe if George had brought Liam back to do the Qui-Gon voiceover in Episode III? Seriously, the technology existed in 2005 that Liam could have phoned his lines in from just about anywhere.
As it stands, name dropping Qui-Gon in the scene between Yoda and Obi Wan just seems to come in out of nowhere.We heard Neeson in AotC though.
And it’s more fun to get the news WITH Obi-Wan.
Via dialog recorded for TPM.
Where were you in '77?
Just ignore the prequels and you don’t have to worry about **** like this.
Yeah, but it can be fun to deconstruct them sometimes. I sometimes learn more from bad movies than I do good ones. 😉
Yeah but it’s impossible to causally link the two different trilogies. They don’t even tell the same story.
I think it’s better to just view them as two different and separate things.
Maybe if George had brought Liam back to do the Qui-Gon voiceover in Episode III? Seriously, the technology existed in 2005 that Liam could have phoned his lines in from just about anywhere.
As it stands, name dropping Qui-Gon in the scene between Yoda and Obi Wan just seems to come in out of nowhere.We heard Neeson in AotC though.
And it’s more fun to get the news WITH Obi-Wan.
Via dialog recorded for TPM.
And? The point was in relation to story. We know that Yoda has heard Qui-Gon before ROTS.
Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.
Eh, I disagree… (Lucas) has talked about not caring so much
You disagree?
VIZ TOP TIPS! - PARENTS. Impress your children by showing them a floppy disk and telling them it’s a 3D model of a save icon.
Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.
Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL
Do you guys even watch the movies?
The Sifo-Dyas complaint is one of the more baffling ones.Obi-Wan says to Mace and Yoda that Sifo-Dyas supposedly ordered the army. Mace and Yoda exchange dark looks. Obi-Wan then says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas had died before the date the army was commissioned. That lets us in on what Mace’s concerned look was about. Sifo-Dyas died before that date, so Mace says that whoever placed the order did not have the authorization of the Jedi council.
Then of course Obi-Wan is captured and learns who made the army by following Jango. Yoda has already left for Kamino though so he can’t tell him.
Then the ending scene with the three of them in the council chamber.
Obi- "I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory."
Yoda- “No, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone war has”.
They know that Sifo-Dyas was a fake name used by Dooku. But it’s the clone army or no army. Either they fight this war, or just roll over for the Sith.
Yeah, let’s go with this ready made army probably commissioned by a sith lord, no questions asked. They couldn’t all possibly be sleeper agents that will slaughter us at a later date if someone says rutebaga or something. 😉
Where were you in '77?
Lazy Lucas, was Lazy.
Eh, I disagree… (Lucas) has talked about not caring so much
You disagree?
Did you read the chain of posts? I disagreed that he didn’t think about Qui-Gon disappearing. A few posts ago I also linked an interview from 1999 that confirms it.
But you were just making a “gotcha” post, so carry on.
The more stupid the characters are, the better the Star Wars!
No wonder George hates Empire.
Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.
Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL
Do you guys even watch the movies?
The Sifo-Dyas complaint is one of the more baffling ones.Obi-Wan says to Mace and Yoda that Sifo-Dyas supposedly ordered the army. Mace and Yoda exchange dark looks. Obi-Wan then says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas had died before the date the army was commissioned. That lets us in on what Mace’s concerned look was about. Sifo-Dyas died before that date, so Mace says that whoever placed the order did not have the authorization of the Jedi council.
Then of course Obi-Wan is captured and learns who made the army by following Jango. Yoda has already left for Kamino though so he can’t tell him.
Then the ending scene with the three of them in the council chamber.
Obi- "I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory."
Yoda- “No, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone war has”.
They know that Sifo-Dyas was a fake name used by Dooku. But it’s the clone army or no army. Either they fight this war, or just roll over for the Sith.
Yeah, let’s go with this ready made army probably commissioned by a sith lord, no questions asked. They couldn’t all possibly be sleeper agents that will slaughter us at a later date if someone says rutebaga or something. 😉
?
They have 2 options.
Again, no questions asked. It’s like getting a free laptop from some guy in an alley, and using it to pay your bills online without checking for viruses and spyware.
Where were you in '77?
Again, no questions asked. It’s like buying a laptop from some guy in an alley, and using it to pay your bills online without checking for viruses and spyware.
Asking questions wouldn’t help though.
It’s really as black and white as
Again, no questions asked. It’s like buying a laptop from some guy in an alley, and using it to pay your bills online without checking for viruses and spyware.
Asking questions wouldn’t help though.
It’s really as black and white as
- use this shady army
or- have absolutely no way to defend from the Sith and their massive army at all
Sounds like the writer gave the characters a case of the stupids if you ask me.
Again, no questions asked. It’s like buying a laptop from some guy in an alley, and using it to pay your bills online without checking for viruses and spyware.
Asking questions wouldn’t help though.
It’s really as black and white as
- use this shady army
or- have absolutely no way to defend from the Sith and their massive army at all
Sounds like the writer gave the characters a case of the stupids if you ask me.
No.
This really isn’t hard to understand, guys.
They only have two options, and one is “let the Sith and their army win right now”.
Asking questions about the clone army wouldn’t help anything.
They need it.
They have absolutely no choice.
Stupid Star Wars is the best Star Wars.
amirite?
Stupid Star Wars is the best Star Wars.
amirite?
You think you are, at least.
I’m not usually one to defend the prequels but I feel compelled to chime in here. There’s a lot of valid complaints about plot-holes or characters being written stupidly, but in this specific case there was no choice but to follow the course of action that they did. To those of you that say “well the Jedi should’ve known that maybe something was up with the clones since they were made by the Sith,” what would you suggest be done in that instance? Do you just not have an army? Or do you take the millions of ostensible good guys who showed up to kill all the evil robots?
Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.
Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL
Do you guys even watch the movies?
The Sifo-Dyas complaint is one of the more baffling ones.Obi-Wan says to Mace and Yoda that Sifo-Dyas supposedly ordered the army. Mace and Yoda exchange dark looks. Obi-Wan then says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas had died before the date the army was commissioned. That lets us in on what Mace’s concerned look was about. Sifo-Dyas died before that date, so Mace says that whoever placed the order did not have the authorization of the Jedi council.
Then of course Obi-Wan is captured and learns who made the army by following Jango. Yoda has already left for Kamino though so he can’t tell him.
Then the ending scene with the three of them in the council chamber.
Obi- "I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory."
Yoda- “No, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone war has”.
They know that Sifo-Dyas was a fake name used by Dooku. But it’s the clone army or no army. Either they fight this war, or just roll over for the Sith.
I did what the film (several times in fact). I think you were reading WAY too much into my comment. Some of what you posted was inferred… but it’s not as clear cut as you make out. We don’t actually know for sure that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas and we don’t know exactly when it started if he did.
Honestly, it’s not a huge deal… I was more just poking fun because Lucas said we’d get more explanation in ROTS and well, we never did. AOTC has plenty of gaping plot-holes without picking on the Sifo-Dyas thing
Of course they should have used the army. But do a little digging on them in the meantime. (A throwaway line about following the money trail could have helped, even if Palpatine has the equivalent of a Swiss bank account.) The bomb won’t go off if you safely remove the fuse.
There’s just too much plot convenience playhouse going on that benefits the bad guys. Nobody ever pays Palpatine a visit when he’s got the black hood on and making a long distance call. (Would be really funny if he was addressing his minions from a locked bathroom.) Is there a Sith lord in the house? Who knows, our ability to use the Force is diminished. (Yet Yoda can sense Anakin opening a can of Dark Side on the Sandpeople light years away.) Dooku can’t possibly be behind the attempts to kill Padme, it’s not in his nature. Oh wait! He’s evil now!
One of the funniest bits in Frink’s AOTC edit is Mace and Yoda contradicting themselves on the “Who authorized the clone army?” thing. Cracks me up every time. 😉
Where were you in '77?