Mielr said:
Besides......you have no way of knowing how many women there are here. :-D
I still claim zero ;-)
<fawltytowers>
Strange creatures, women. I knew one once . . . I must have been rather keen on her because I took her to see . . . India!
I do wish I could remember her name. She's still got my wallet.
</fawltytowers>
Anyway, as far as the GOUT's watchability goes, I've seen bits of it projected onto a hundred-inch screen, and its quality is scene-dependent. Some of it manages to look fairly good, others are nearly horrific. That's not taking into account the aspect ratio, which will depend on how the equipment handles 4:3 material by default--it may appear with black bars on all four sides, or it may be horizontally stretched. Neither provides a satisfying viewing experience, obviously, and not all equipment can zoom it to the right level, or can do so with acceptable results. Making a custom version resized to 16:9 is pretty much a requirement for viewing on a large screen. G-force's scripts do this as well as many other improvements such as anti-aliasing and eliminating the image shake, and are highly recommended for that reason.
Mielr said:
Besides......you have no way of knowing how many women there are here. :-D
Speaking of which... what happened to Davnes? I haven't seen him around here for a little while.
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Maybe with the shutdown of the NNRRPPB!, he has no reason to go online anymore.
He has no reason to go on(line)? That's terrible!
Should we call the police or send someone over to his house?
IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!
"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005
"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM
"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.
Maybe Erica finally slapped him with a digital restraining order and he can't cope without his avatar?
xhonzi said:
Mielr said:
Besides......you have no way of knowing how many women there are here. :-D
Speaking of which... what happened to Davnes? I haven't seen him around here for a little while.
And the other Jenny too.
There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
Please see the 4-5-1-2-3-6 discussion here. It is the order I recommend for reasons there discussed. My ideas were well received by other posters to the thread.
I believe that 4-5-1-2-3-6 is clearly superior to 4-5-6-1-2-3 and very far superior to 1-2-3-4-5-6. Depending on how you feel about the PT, the best order is either 4-5-1-2-3-6 or 4-5-6-done.
As for which versions, [strike:I recommend Revisited for ANH, GOU for ESB, ADigitalMan’s edits for the PT, and GOUT for ROTJ.] I recommend Revisited for ANH and ADigitalMan’s edits for the PT. For ESB and ROTJ, see ChainsawAsh’s post immediately below this one.
[strike:If the non-anamorphic GOUT looks bad on your system, you might want to see if you can find OCPmovie’s Classic Editions. From what I understand they’re better-quality versions of the GOUT. I don’t know whether they’re still available. I don’t have them and there are no links to them in the usual places.]
EDIT #1: Incorporated ChainsawAsh’s recommendations regarding ESB and ROTJ versions.
EDIT #2: I can’t get strikethrough to work. Is there a trick?
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Why GOUT for ESB when Adywan has released a wonderful, high-quality 1980 theatrical reconstruction DVD? I'd highly recommend that over the GOUT. And I'd definitely recommend it over OCPmovie's crappy "Classic Editions" (made before the GOUT came out).
My recommendations:
ANH: Dark_Jedi's GOUT (whichever version you can get, but V3 once it's out)
ESB: Adywan's 1980 theatrical reconstruction OR Dark_Jedi's GOUT V3 when it's out
ROTJ: Dark_Jedi's GOUT (V3 when it's out), or Harmy's 1983 theatrical reconstruction when it's out.
ChainsawAsh said:
Why GOUT for ESB when Adywan has released a wonderful, high-quality 1980 theatrical reconstruction DVD?
I was unaware of that. (I haven’t been around here much lately.) There’s no denying the incredible quality of Adywan’s work. Although I haven’t seen the reconstruction to which you refer, Adywan’s name on it is enough for me to recommend it over GOUT. Thanks for pointing it out.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Exactly as they were released is the best way to go. That's how Star Wars became a hit, that's how remains such a respected cultural icon, that's how it was made. It's a story that begins in 1977 and ends in 2005, not the other way around.
Put Captain Solo in the Cargo Hold said:
Exactly as they were released is the best way to go. That's how Star Wars became a hit, that's how remains such a respected cultural icon, that's how it was made. It's a story that begins in 1977 and ends in 2005, not the other way around.
That’s hardly a convincing argument that an alternative ordering can’t improve the experience.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
No, but it's a pretty solid endorsement of why the films play so well when watched in release order.
zombie84 said:
No, but it's a pretty solid endorsement of why the films play so well when watched in release order.
That’s true, and the release order of 4-5-6-1-2-3 is not horrible, but it also isn’t (to borrow a phrase from PCSitCH) “the best way to go.” 4-5-1-2-3-6 is significantly better. This is admittedly a subjective conclusion, but it is based on both logic and experience, which ought to count for something.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Yeah, I'll have to disagree with that. Each film builds on the one before it and depends on familiarity with the preceding chapter, both in terms of narrative information and also one-upmanship of new elements and scales added to the films, so any disruption of the linear release order introduces incongruity there. That doesn't mean it's necessarily ruined or anything, but clearly going from ESB to TPM and ROTS to ROTJ is an order with some serious flaws and not inherantly superior.
zombie84 said:
Yeah, I'll have to disagree with that.
Yes, I knew you would. I’m willing to bet that you haven’t spent a heck of a lot of time thinking about it, you haven’t looked at the other thread in which it is discussed and thoughtfully considered the points made there, and — perhaps most significantly — you haven’t tried it.
I have watched 1-2-3-4-5-6, 4-5-6-1-2-3, and 4-5-1-2-3-6 more than once each, and in I have found that 4-5-1-2-3-6 is the best experience. In the other thread I listed a number of ways in which this order improves the experience, and there are more that I didn’t list there.
There is no narrative information in ROTJ that is necessary in order to understand the prequel trilogy, and in many ways it plays better with ROTJ seen after the prequel trilogy. FWIW, Lucas is on record stating that his intent is that they be viewed in the order 1-2-3-4-5-6, despite the 4-5-6-1-2-3 release order.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
On the contrary, I've thought about it so much that I even wrote an article about it.
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/structuringtheprequels.html
LOL, I like "yeah, you probably just don't understand it" response.
"I have watched 1-2-3-4-5-6, 4-5-6-1-2-3, and 4-5-1-2-3-6 more than once each, and in I have found that 4-5-1-2-3-6 is the best experience. "
Well there you go. It's ultimately preference. Personally, my preference is 4-5-6, and then maybe 3 if I am in the mood. Based on "logic and experience", as you put it, there is no order that includes the prequels that is fully satisfying simply because they are poor films and if you like 4 and 5, which we both agree one should start with, it is very likely that you will dislike some or all of the prequel films.
But in terms of construction, the films have a steady rise linearly as the OT and then PT. The special effects, scale of the films, stylization, etc. has a specific context to era in which they were made, and mixing and cutting back and forth between them doesn't work. That's a main reason why 1-2-3-4-5-6 falls on its ass, there's too huge a disconnect, the only way the prequels make sense as is a seperate trilogy seen afterwards. The disconnect becomes magnified when you have ESB going to Jar Jar Binks and then a film made in 2005 having a sequel to it made in 1983 whose narrative throughline has been dropped since four whole films earlier.
Sorry, not buying it. It may work for you, but not for me, and it's by no means inherantly superior as I mentioned, there are serious, systemic flaws in this scheme.
zombie84 said:
On the contrary, I've thought about it so much that I even wrote an article about it.
I stand corrected and apologize. You clearly have considered the question of episode order.
But how much have you considered the idea of something like 4-5-1-2-3-6? Have you ever tried it? Your article indicates that you have considered 4-5-6-1-2-3, 1-2-3-4-5-6, and possibly “The PT and OT are independent works and which one you watch first makes about as much difference as whether you watch Raiders of the Lost Ark before or after On Golden Pond.”
I don’t expect a point-by-point response to the many arguments I made in favor of 4-5-1-2-3-6, but I would appreciate it if you’d go to the other thread, read those points, and give them fair and open-minded consideration before dismissing my conclusion. The several people who posted in that thread after reading my points unanimously considered them convincing despite initial skepticism of my conclusion.
Well there you go. It's ultimately preference. Personally, my preference is 4-5-6, and then maybe 3 if I am in the mood. Based on "logic and experience", as you put it, there is no order that includes the prequels that is fully satisfying simply because they are poor films and if you like 4 and 5, which we both agree one should start with, it is very likely that you will dislike some or all of the prequel films.
That’s certainly a reasonable position. I said above, “Depending on how you feel about the PT, the best order is either 4-5-1-2-3-6 or 4-5-6-done.”
I believe the prequels are best redeemed by using ADM’s edits and placing them between ESB and ROTJ. You seem to consider them absolutely unredeemable, in which case I’m not sure it matters where you put them in the viewing order; the only reasonable choice is to exclude them from the viewing order altogether.
I’m proceeding from the assumption, as posed by HotRod in the OP, that the viewer intends to watch all six films and is deciding the order in which to watch them. Given that question, there are three reasonable candidates: 1-2-3-4-5-6, 4-5-6-1-2-3, and 4-5-1-2-3-6.
Lucas advocates 1-2-3-4-5-6 but you and I both dislike that intensely. That leaves us deciding between 4-5-6-1-2-3 and 4-5-1-2-3-6. For a number of reasons I prefer 4-5-1-2-3-6 to 4-5-6-1-2-3. The best argument for 4-5-6-1-2-3 seems to be that you can commit suicide after 6 and thereby spare yourself from the PT.
That's a main reason why 1-2-3-4-5-6 falls on its ass
I don’t think that’s relevant, as no one in this discussion is advocating that order.
there's too huge a disconnect
I believe there’s also a huge disconnect between 4-5 and 6. ROTJ was made long before the PT and doesn’t have the same quality of visual effects or ubiquity of CGI. Despite that, I believe that in many ways — some of which I listed in the other thread — the storytelling in ROTJ is more consistent with the PT than with 4-5.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
This thread is giving flashbacks to High School when I couldn't get my locker open.
I too always found them difficult to open from the inside.
Time is running out for the Rebels. Antilles upcourt to Skywalker. He’s being paced by Darth Va— the bone-jarring pick by Solo! He came out of nowhere! Skywalker’s open from way outside, he launches at the buzzer... Good! It’s good! The Rebels win on a sensational buzzer beater by Luke Skywalker! Let’s take another look at that last shot. He just does get it off in time. Wow, what a shot. That’s why they call him Luke Legend.
That may be the most exciting battle I have ever been privileged to broadcast. Certainly the most dramatic finish. We’ll get you an update on the Artoo Detoo injury situation in just a moment. Right now let’s go courtside where SuperShadow is waiting with Chewbacca.
Sluggo said:
This thread is giving flashbacks to High School when I couldn't get my locker open.
That was funny...Way to make me laugh on a cold wet Monday Morning!!!
As it stands she's so far watched...
Ady's ANH:R
Ady's Empire reconstructed.....(which was the first time I'd seen that version of Empire and was like a little kid again...It's been sooo long since I've seen the 'Original Empire' so to speak)
Jedi....Well, I only have the DVD's so it'll have to be the SE I'm afraid...Unless I can find ADM's edit...Which I know I have in my house somewhere.....
PT...Well, really, doesn't matter what version I show her, it's all the same..."You can't polish a turd"
