Which one do you like more? The Prequels or the Sequels? And why? — Page 2

It’s so hard to say which is better or worse. They both suck in very different ways. They both damage Star Wars in very different ways.

But to focus on the positives, the Prequels were at least unique and earnest, and added a ton of new imagery, locations and lore to the Star Wars mythos. But the Sequels had Adam Driver, who delivered a fantastic performance - something that was sorely lacking in the Prequels. The Sequels had isolated moments of great chemistry thanks to the actors, like the beginning of Force Awakens where Finn and Poe escape a Star Destroyer together.

Overall, as an experience - I prefer watching the Prequels. Of course, the cringey acting and CGI vomit is hard to stomach. But the Sequels (especially The Last Jedi) are just really depressing to watch.

When watching the Prequels, at worst I experience a feeling of frustration, because I lament how such a compelling story could be implemented so badly, and I also feel second-hand embarrassment over some of the dialogue and acting. With the Sequels, at worst I experience malaise, disappointment and even sadness over the missed opportunity.

To me personally, the two best movies out of the six are The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
Other movies I simply can not count.

ouroboros1995 said:

To me personally, the two best movies out of the six are The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi.
Other movies I simply can not count.

Interesting…you cannot count original Star Wars '77?

The space politics of the prequels and clone wars are boring. The Sequel has zero world building, just removing the boring politics does not make it way better. We literally get no explanation about what happened to the Empire or the New Republic nor do we ever understand why the first order and the new rebellion aka resistance exists.

We don’t know why the Jedi order collapsed except for a BS flashback which is poor storytelling.

The need Lucasfilm had for books and comics and other things to fill these in does not absolve them of making a poor series of good-looking movies with some fun moments.

You want me to do homework, play every game, read every comic, and novel to understand your terrible movie, you failed.

The movies should not have been an empty husk to be filled in later. Or need people to headcanon things just so it makes sense.

Superweapon VII said:

JadedSkywalker said:

You want me to do homework, play every game, read every comic, and novel to understand your terrible movie, you failed.

Their goal is to make you consume product. From that perspective, they’ve succeeded.

Not if he didn’t buy any of the product. 😁

Superweapon VII said:

JadedSkywalker said:

You want me to do homework, play every game, read every comic, and novel to understand your terrible movie, you failed.

Their goal is to make you consume product. From that perspective, they’ve succeeded.

You aren’t wrong I dropped like a hundred bucks on Force Awakens tickets. None on the other two films. Boycotted Last Jedi had a free ticket for Rise of Skywalker.

I bought a couple of books and I bought some 4K discs. But I’m not the audience they have people who drop hundreds per month on Disney SW. Comics, video games, toys, posters, shows, conventions. I have done none of those. I have probably given them a paltry few hundred dollars of my money at best on Lucasfilm products in 10 years. Most of that on 4K Blu-ray and comics. Most of it to Star Wars legends. Even there i just buy Omnibus books for titles I like.

On the quote unquote Disney canon I have the novelizations and Shadow of the Sith and that is it, and the comic adaptations of the story of and films that they made. Only Shadow of the Sith I paid full price for.

Few of them would I keep most of it is dumpster worthy. I guess I could put them in the goodwill bin but I would be giving away trash.

Marvelzing Star Wars and making it one canon was a total mistake its basically ruined the franchise, it really should be movies only matter.

I like that the Last Jedi novelization of the movie, and I like Shadow of the Sith. Only because they make Luke and Leia actual characters, the movie handled the original crew abominably. In fact I would probably love the sequel for the new characters had they any depth if Luke, Han and Leia were written with love.

Because I really like Rey, Finn, Poe and Rose. and in the prequel I really didn’t like anyone after Episode I The Phantom Menace.

Superweapon VII said:

Fan_edit_fan said:

Superweapon VII said:

JadedSkywalker said:

You want me to do homework, play every game, read every comic, and novel to understand your terrible movie, you failed.

Their goal is to make you consume product. From that perspective, they’ve succeeded.

Not if he didn’t buy any of the product. 😁

I was using the generic you, y’know. 😛

The “Royal” we.

I think Last Jedi is mostly a good film and any problem I have with it is because of Mark Hamill saying he was Jake Skywalker, the anticipation of expecting a Luke like the Expanded Universe version, and Rise of Skywalker not sticking the landing. If Leia did not die in episode 9 I would not feel like Luke died in vain.

There are problems though the Casino side quest is stupid and could be completely cut. Luke should have trained Rey. Lukes’s fall and redemption should have been more clearly defined.

Rey being drawn to and in love with Kylo makes no sense though based on him killing Han in Force Awakens. I never understood Reylo.

Luke’s astral projection should have been his green lightsaber form. He lost his father’s lightsaber on cloud city.

JadedSkywalker said:

Luke’s astral projection should have been his green lightsaber form. He lost his father’s lightsaber on cloud city.

That bothered me a lot as well. Kylo Ren himself witnessed his grandfather’s lightsaber being torn in half moments earlier, so seeing his uncle wielding it should have tipped him off, and I also think the green lightsaber would have unsettled him a lot more since that’s the last image he has of his uncle.

I think it all boils down to Anakin’s lightsaber being more iconic.

Lest we forget, the movies absolutely didn’t BOTHER to tell us how the hell that lightsaber was found and brought back into the plot 30 years later. Remember that awful idea they had for the opening of TFA where after the crawl you’d think you were seeing a giant spaceship, but it turns into a force perspective gag where it would reveal its Luke’s lightsaber from ESB…floating through space for 30 years with Luke’s severed hand still on it. Then it hits Jakkus atmosphere and the hand disintegrates but the lightsaber falls to the ground. And someone immediately picks it up. Just so dumb and awkward.

Who would have thought soo many of these directors would be so completely out of touch with making further stories and films?? Abrams talked about loving SW OT for years before there was a sequel trilogy and his work on Star Trek showed that he’d rather be making SW films. How could he have started Episode 7 like that? Now when directors get on an IP and mention being “huge fans” it makes me worry.

The problem with mystery boxes is the fan theories are more interesting than what we end up with. Or you know they can suck like the Snoke theory about being Plagueis. I actually agree with Rian on that your snoke theory sucks.
I rather liked the idea of the lightsaber calling to Rey because she was Luke’s kid but that was just fan made theory.

Hearing JJ intended her to be a Kenobi sounds like crap I like Rey nobody over that.

Rey Palpatine self adopted Skywalker is meeting fans halfway but nobody was pleased.

Some fans liked Force Awakens and some liked Last Jedi, and but quite a few of both disliked Rise of Skywalker.

As for JJ i don’t think he any passion for Star Wars or Star Trek for that matter he is a guy they hire to direct these things who makes corporate product. I don’t think he made anything with genuine passion since maybe Super 8 or even the Bad Robot tv years before he was directing movies. JJ is not alone even Michael Bay makes passionless corporate assembly line junk like Transformers. Probably dozens of other directors I can’t think of off the top of my head have done the same for Marvel studios.

I think George had genuine passion for some aspects of the prequel and even Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, it makes you wonder if fans are just beyond pleasing when it comes to these things. and that was before hate watching was a thing and people went to something, so they review bomb the hell out of it on Rotten Tomatoes. I’ve never done that but I’m kind of bored of the same film criticism anyways.

Even though I’ll admit they have some minor problems (and the originals do as well), I still love the prequels. I grew up with the UOT on VHS as a kid, and I was 16 when the Special Editions came out. Regarding George’s films, I’m no purist, so I was able to accept both the changed versions and the prequels on their own merits. When I first saw “The Phantom Menace”, I loved it, and I still think its a lot of fun. All three of those movies are worthy companion pieces to the originals, in my opinion.

The sequels, however, are a very different story. I enjoyed most of “The Force Awakens”, but upon viewing “The Last Jedi” I was stunned into silence, and not in a good way. It took me a short while to gather my thoughts, and after that all I could think was “My God, they did it. They actually managed to eff up a Star Wars movie.” Luke being a depressed hermit was completely wrong, along with Snoke being turned from a potential threat to an idiot so clueless that his own apprentice literally slices him in half. Rey became vastly overpowered, Finn & Poe became almost redundant, Captain Phasma was treated like trash, and don’t get me started on Holdo - her sacrifice had no impact on me at all. And then of course, there’s the “Leia Poppins” moment, which I wasn’t sure whether to laugh at or groan about. The entire movie just flat-out sucked. I never saw “The Rise of Skywalker” all the way through, but from the clips I’ve seen the general tone seemed more in line with “The Force Awakens”. Still, bringing Palpatine back was a dumbass choice, and lazy as well. I really blame Kathleen Kennedy for the bulk of this; she promised George Lucas that she would respect his characters and the legacy that he had created. But once she had control of his company, she turned right around and stabbed him in the back.

Your story still sounds better than a Jacen Solo ripoff given the name of Luke Skywalker’s son Ben. Who also wore a Darth Revan style helmet. Whose Dark Side name came from Kybo Ren and the Droids cartoon.

And who had a bigger more dangerous lightsaber than Vader and a bigger death star called Starkiller base.

I mean you can’t make this stuff up.

philraid said:

Superweapon VII said:

The worst fanfiction is written by the biggest fans. In 1997, I wrote sequels where the Rebels had to fight a Darth Vader imposter – really Luke & Leia’s hitherto unknown younger brother – who commanded four Death Stars. Sometimes these fans grow up to realize how bad their fanfics were. But hacks like Jar Jar Abrams never grow up.

As a kid my vision of an Episode VII was Anakin getting resurrected and living with Luke in a castle where they occasionally fight off stormtroopers, so you’re not the only one with awful ideas, lol.

Granted, both of these probably still would have been better than Rise of Skywalker.

If you had some more characters and a compelling boss for the stormtroopers this could be really good.

fmalover said:

JadedSkywalker said:

Luke’s astral projection should have been his green lightsaber form. He lost his father’s lightsaber on cloud city.

That bothered me a lot as well. Kylo Ren himself witnessed his grandfather’s lightsaber being torn in half moments earlier, so seeing his uncle wielding it should have tipped him off, and I also think the green lightsaber would have unsettled him a lot more since that’s the last image he has of his uncle.

I think it all boils down to Anakin’s lightsaber being more iconic.

It’s the blue saber for two reasons: 1.) it’s the one Luke rejected earlier on and is now taking up again, and 2.) it is the one Kylo has wanted for the past two films. (He probably wouldn’t know it is broken, being knocked out in the blast and not seeing the aftermath)

I like the green one though, so I’d have preferred it.