It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
Perhaps it'll be established that the OOT will be the prequel to VII and the EU will be the sequel to the special edition.
He didn't save the teenage brat with the creepy look on his face. Imagine trying to go back and tell your 18 year old self everything you know at an older age. What do you think your 18 year old self would tell you? Probably to kick rocks and buzz off. The insufferable Anakin of the prequels was never redeemed.
Luke "saved" the old guy in the black suit. Old Anakin was the last good Anakin.
The only reason for that change was to shove prequel imagery deep down into your eye sockets.
MathUser said:
It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
Perhaps it'll be established that the OOT will be the prequel to VII and the EU will be the sequel to the special edition.
No it's not. He's a freaking ghost. There is no physical form, it's his spirit. He was Anakin again when he died. He can appear to Luke as aged, yet healthy person if he chooses to.
If you still can't figure this out, go write George a letter.
Where were you in '77?
Y'all Star Wars peeps is cray-cray, yo!
MathUser said:
It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
There sure is an endless supply of PT lovers who come up with this stupid argument.
First of all, it is not that Luke saved anyone. His presence just triggered Anakin's return who then saved Luke. The old guy that died was Anakin... the Anakin Luke met and knew. It is only reasonable to appear in the age that Luke is supposed to recognise.
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MathUser said:
It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
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The Beast in Poltergeist certainly wasn't a giant skull/hairy whatsits when it was alive. Did Carol Anne create an alternate timeline or something?
Johnny Bartlett in The Frighteners wasn't the Grim Reaper when he was alive. Did Michael J. Fox's character create an alternate timeline or something?
John Belushi wasn't an ugly little spud when he was alive. Did the Ghostbusters create an alternate timeline or something?
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What I'm trying to say -- and I shouldn't have to say this, as it should be common knowledge to anyone who has any familiarity with ghosts -- especially ghosts in film -- is that they often have the ability to assume shapes and forms they didn't have when they were alive.
The reason why ROTJ Anakin in the OOT isn't bald, pale, and scarred is because he didn't want to appear that way.
MathUser said:
It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
Oh yes, of course, we all remember the embarrassing obviousness of this mistake from 1983 to 2004. For over 20 years, it was all anyone could talk about, dominating all Star Wars conversations, because it was just SO clear that a huge mistake had been made. And, then finally, our long nightmare was over and it was corrected.
I'm still waiting for the 108 page thesis proving the validity of Hayden force head.
imperialscum said:
MathUser said:
It's prettty stupid, he saved him so he's at the point before he became evil right? That's why he gots normal color for his skin and normal body parts? But for some reason he's aged. Did Luke somehow create an alternate timeline or something?
There sure is an endless supply of PT lovers who come up with this stupid argument.
First of all, it is not that Luke saved anyone. His presence just triggered Anakin's return who then saved Luke. The old guy that died was Anakin... the Anakin Luke met and knew. It is only reasonable to appear in the age that Luke is supposed to recognise.
Except the Shaw ghost looks very little like the Anakin that Luke would recognize.
Anakin appearing the way he did in the OOT makes just as much sense as appearing as Hayden. Of course, no one want to admit that because they hate the prequels. The concession is it's easier for the audience to assume who the ghost is supposed to be when it's Shaw if the haven't seen the PT. But, if they have, it's the other way around.
Personally I think neither makes sense (Anakin shouldn't be a ghost anyway). The fact that people argue for Shaw so adamantly is a little silly, though if I had to I'd take that side only because, when viewing just the OT, Hayden just seems very out of place.
Because it's the actor who was originally cast in the part, and was what people originally saw for over twenty years?
Where were you in '77?
DominicCobb said:
Except the Shaw ghost looks very little like the Anakin that Luke would recognize.
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It's the exact same actor only, without lava-head. The two appearances look similar enough, and most everyone thought so for over 20 years and still does.
Obviously it's the same actor, but it's hard to tell when one appearance is under heavy make up, has half his face covered by a mask, and has no hair.
If you ask me they look quite different (pretend the top pic has eyebrows if you please).
"Has...hair....so....confused....clothes different....what....happening....who is that??"-
50 million people, summer '83.
^^I never realized that that eyebrow removal was done so poorly.
Luke smiled at the force ghost of anakin out of kindness, he didn't even know that was Anakin. That's my guess.
Also, if Anakin's force ghost can appear anyway he wants then why wouln't he choose his younger self before he went to the dark side?
So a random ghost is just going to show up with Ben and Yoda and smile at Luke? Give a Jedi knight a little credit to know his dad when he sees him.
Luke has likely never even seen an image of his father. Makes more sense for Anakin to appear to him at the same age as when he died, unless you're George of course. ;)
Where were you in '77?
Obviously the only reasonable assumption (and the one everyone makes) is that the ghost is Anakin. But it's an assumption. My point is that Luke wouldn't really recognize his image and that point still stands.
No boy or man wants to see their father looking younger than them anyway.
Yeah, but why would he be expecting Anakins ghost? His body didn't dissapear like Yoda or Obi-Wan. It shows Luke burning the body later.
Also, your father looking younger than you isn't that big a deal. Ever watch field of dreams or back to the future?
This discussion makes me want to perform an icepick lobotomy on myself.
DominicCobb said:
Obviously the only reasonable assumption (and the one everyone makes) is that the ghost is Anakin. But it's an assumption. My point is that Luke wouldn't really recognize his image and that point still stands.
You are the one making the assumption here. You assume people are too stupid to immediately realise who the ghost is. On what basis you make that assumption is beyond me (perhaps yourself?). But when I watched the film for the first time I immediately recognised who the ghost was. And personally I don't know anyone who didn't. So don't make such assumption. I am sure Luke was smart enough to recognise the ghost as well.
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RicOlie_2 said:
^I never realized that that eyebrow removal was done so poorly.
Did he have eyebrows in the original theatrical release?
Yes. They were removed for the SE (though I don't recall which SE, there are so damn many of them now).
imperialscum said:
DominicCobb said:
Obviously the only reasonable assumption (and the one everyone makes) is that the ghost is Anakin. But it's an assumption. My point is that Luke wouldn't really recognize his image and that point still stands.
You are the one making the assumption here. You assume people are too stupid to immediately realise who the ghost is. On what basis you make that assumption is beyond me (perhaps yourself?). But when I watched the film for the first time I immediately recognised who the ghost was. And personally I don't know anyone who didn't. So don't make such assumption. I am sure Luke was smart enough to recognise the ghost as well.
Once again you completely miss the point of my post. I grow tired of arguing with you.
Perhaps this is simply an issue of semantics. I'm just saying that the ghost Anakin is not recognizably the dying Anakin. I am not saying that Luke (and the audience) would not realize who the ghost was supposed to be.
Hence baronlando's post.