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War does not make one great.
Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition? — Page 3
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My main reason is because my two seperate groups of cousins who like star wars...BUT..I think I'm just going to copy my THX faces VHS transfer DVD's and give it to them...
It'll save loads of money, and it has better bonus material than that OT-DVD SE 2004 set...
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But where can I get some decent free laserdisc transfers....
Could someone send me some?
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Dial-up
I have never seen the 97 edition....so.if someone could possibly send me those also with an LD transfer, I'd be very happy.
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Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
One word.
Dial-up
One word.
Dial-up
Technically that's 2 words.
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2004 unforgiveables:
1) out with Sebastian, in with Hayden;
2) out with Jeremy, in with Temuera;
3) colour "correction."
Therefore, 1997 must be the lesser of two evils.
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The new changes and the restoration job might be a little dodgy, but I think this is something that we have asked for ourselves. It angered me to watch people on forums complain how half-assed the new DVD's were, cause it was their own fault; weeks before the release, people were happily sharing DivX's of all three movies. Lucas would have lost incredible amounts of money had he not released it earlier. Because just a few people were greedy, every single SW fan now has to watch muted lightsabers, blue shirts and sunburned rebel officers. If they had waited, we could have had a much more polished version, but somebody didn't like it that. Because Lucas had to rush it in order to avoid losing money, the quality control was too loose. So I would blame these internet pirates rather than Lucas and Lowry.
Overall, I'm just very grateful that we even have the movies on DVD, but I am also quite glad that I have my old SE VHS' and the ability to download those beautiful LD transfers.
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Originally posted by: olzen
Probably the DVDs. I didn't really mind the changes back in 1997 (might be because I never had a chance to watch the originals in anything other than borrowed taped-off-TV VHS') and I don't mind them very much now. I can live with Morrison doing the voice of Boba Fett and Hayden as Anakin's force ghost (although I do think the latter was exceptionally sloppily done. I mean that I don't mind the general idea. It certainly worked better after I had watched ROTS).
The new changes and the restoration job might be a little dodgy, but I think this is something that we have asked for ourselves. It angered me to watch people on forums complain how half-assed the new DVD's were, cause it was their own fault; weeks before the release, people were happily sharing DivX's of all three movies. Lucas would have lost incredible amounts of money had he not released it earlier. Because just a few people were greedy, every single SW fan now has to watch muted lightsabers, blue shirts and sunburned rebel officers. If they had waited, we could have had a much more polished version, but somebody didn't like it that. Because Lucas had to rush it in order to avoid losing money, the quality control was too loose. So I would blame these internet pirates rather than Lucas and Lowry.
Overall, I'm just very grateful that we even have the movies on DVD, but I am also quite glad that I have my old SE VHS' and the ability to download those beautiful LD transfers.
Probably the DVDs. I didn't really mind the changes back in 1997 (might be because I never had a chance to watch the originals in anything other than borrowed taped-off-TV VHS') and I don't mind them very much now. I can live with Morrison doing the voice of Boba Fett and Hayden as Anakin's force ghost (although I do think the latter was exceptionally sloppily done. I mean that I don't mind the general idea. It certainly worked better after I had watched ROTS).
The new changes and the restoration job might be a little dodgy, but I think this is something that we have asked for ourselves. It angered me to watch people on forums complain how half-assed the new DVD's were, cause it was their own fault; weeks before the release, people were happily sharing DivX's of all three movies. Lucas would have lost incredible amounts of money had he not released it earlier. Because just a few people were greedy, every single SW fan now has to watch muted lightsabers, blue shirts and sunburned rebel officers. If they had waited, we could have had a much more polished version, but somebody didn't like it that. Because Lucas had to rush it in order to avoid losing money, the quality control was too loose. So I would blame these internet pirates rather than Lucas and Lowry.
Overall, I'm just very grateful that we even have the movies on DVD, but I am also quite glad that I have my old SE VHS' and the ability to download those beautiful LD transfers.
You share a similar view as mine. Hopefully, they will do a new DVD release that is free of these errors and will be exactly the way he wants it, finally.
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What makes it even more shameful that these horrible mistakes (inconsistent color timings, unremoved garbage mattes, broken lightsabers as a result of the cleaning process and the fucked up musical score and inconsequent reassembly of the entire fauley track in ANH) are being sold to the public as "deliberate artistic decisions" applied to the films.
I'm somehow astonished so many people think that this DVD set is great. I mean, even if I was a fan of every change and added special effect, I would still be terribly pissed by the poor quality of presentation - especially since there was no true reason to rush the release of this thing - in my opinion a december release would have not only resulted in even better sales-figures but also in a far better product. It's sad to see Van Ling's talent wasted on DVD menus for such a poor quality set.
Needless to say that my vote goes to the Special Editions of 1997.
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Furthermore, this is not the only DVD I have noticed this problem on. The exact same glitch is present on my DVD of Sergio Leone's "A Fistful of Dynamite", which is an MGM release. In the same scene, one line and be crystal clear and then the next can be muffled. Both films are getting older and technlogy has certainly changed quite a lot in all those years. So again, let's be grateful for what we do have. It is obvious that despite the drawbacks, a lot of effort was put into both picture and audio. If you ignore the colour "correction", it's actually virtually impossible to see that these films were shot 20-30 years ago. I know this is originaltrilogy.com and that the DVD's are certainly not perfect, but I think the criticism of things like the audio quality has been quite unfair. When they finally decided to restore the films for good back in '97, the picture had deteriorated so much Darth Vader was turning blue. So I'm just grateful to have these films in at least average quality!
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If they'd be honest about it, and apologized for their mistakes I may not have been so angry about it. But the fact they're trying to sell bugs as features doesn't remind me of the philosophy Lucasfilm once stood for.
The 2004 Set remains a huge disappointment - no matter how much slack you want to cut those guys, they could have done a lot better by just giving it more time to actually release a product that lives up to the quality standards they established themselves.
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Originally posted by: olzen
The AHN audio-track has received much bashing. Like you, I'm clueless when it comes to the surround-channel switching and the loss of the Force-fanfare during the assault on the Death Star, but it's my belief that the audio quality problems are unsolveable. It's obvious that the audiotrack was either damaged or in bad quality from the beginning, due to the indie-nature of the first film. I'm glad that they managed to improve on it as much as they did, cause in the old version, the whole soundtrack sounded like it had been recorded in a can. At least the problems have been narrowed down to a few lines now.
Furthermore, this is not the only DVD I have noticed this problem on. The exact same glitch is present on my DVD of Sergio Leone's "A Fistful of Dynamite", which is an MGM release. In the same scene, one line and be crystal clear and then the next can be muffled. Both films are getting older and technlogy has certainly changed quite a lot in all those years. So again, let's be grateful for what we do have. It is obvious that despite the drawbacks, a lot of effort was put into both picture and audio. If you ignore the colour "correction", it's actually virtually impossible to see that these films were shot 20-30 years ago. I know this is originaltrilogy.com and that the DVD's are certainly not perfect, but I think the criticism of things like the audio quality has been quite unfair. When they finally decided to restore the films for good back in '97, the picture had deteriorated so much Darth Vader was turning blue. So I'm just grateful to have these films in at least average quality!
The AHN audio-track has received much bashing. Like you, I'm clueless when it comes to the surround-channel switching and the loss of the Force-fanfare during the assault on the Death Star, but it's my belief that the audio quality problems are unsolveable. It's obvious that the audiotrack was either damaged or in bad quality from the beginning, due to the indie-nature of the first film. I'm glad that they managed to improve on it as much as they did, cause in the old version, the whole soundtrack sounded like it had been recorded in a can. At least the problems have been narrowed down to a few lines now.
Furthermore, this is not the only DVD I have noticed this problem on. The exact same glitch is present on my DVD of Sergio Leone's "A Fistful of Dynamite", which is an MGM release. In the same scene, one line and be crystal clear and then the next can be muffled. Both films are getting older and technlogy has certainly changed quite a lot in all those years. So again, let's be grateful for what we do have. It is obvious that despite the drawbacks, a lot of effort was put into both picture and audio. If you ignore the colour "correction", it's actually virtually impossible to see that these films were shot 20-30 years ago. I know this is originaltrilogy.com and that the DVD's are certainly not perfect, but I think the criticism of things like the audio quality has been quite unfair. When they finally decided to restore the films for good back in '97, the picture had deteriorated so much Darth Vader was turning blue. So I'm just grateful to have these films in at least average quality!
I think, though, that the quality of the audio for the DVD was directly affected by the small amount of time they had to work on the DVDs. They seemed to focus so much on the video quality, it seems they disregarded the audio portion. The video was in porr condition, yet they improved it to near-2004 quality. From the great quality of certain portions of the sound, it seems they could re-mix the entire film that way, using their technology. One reason I have such little preference for the original version of ANH is the sound. It sounds horrible, no matter how you look at it.
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I wish Lucasfilms themselves would shed some more light on this (whether the sound reels are damaged or not), but they seem to be more into trying to turn all their fuck-ups into "creative decisions". - Time
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Of course, if Lucasfilm admitted that they fucked up, especially at this stage, they would lose the $$$$, and anger many.
But tell me, what was the deal with these DivX copies you speak of? What was the general quality compared to the official DVDs?
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However, as we all know, it was the versions that these people so happily shared on BitTorrent, IRC and God knows what else that ended up on the DVDs. After that, the complaints were endless; "teh sabers greeeen", "omg vader is gay - pink sabre!!!111", "hayden sux0rz" etc. It angered me because several weeks before the release date, they had happily shared what turned out to be the final products, oblivious to the fact that such piracy obviously hurts the people who are putting so much energy into it.
Had the release date been delayed for just a few weeks, the discs could have been perfect. No miscoloured lightsabers, no surround-channel switching, no unbalanced mixing and perhaps even a proper ROTJ-ending where Hayden knew he was to be in the movie! But because the final products were already shared at this point, it's obvious that Lucas' decision was to get it out earlier in order to lose as little money as possible. Of course, that severely hurt the final product.
Everytime I see somebody on MF.com complain about the quality of the DVDs, I get a sudden urge to register and just post a big "FUCK YOU!" to all those greedy bastards out there. Because they just had to leak what was probably not supposed to be the final versions, every SW fan now has to wait till 2007 at least and spend even more money to get a flawless copy of these films. Of course I can understand that people were eager to see how their favourite films would fare on DVD, but they've not just pissed at the people who made them this time. They've pissed on themselves and their fellow fans. Bravo. May the Force be with you...
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Are the 2004 versions really the "work in progress" versions. I mean, common sense tells me they are, but I still have a bad feeling that Lucas might not fix them, and will continue to market them as the final versions forever. Can you shed any light on the situation?
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As for the DVDs really being WIP-versions, who knows? It certainly seems to sloppy to be a final product and knowing how serious Lucas is when it comes to "his vision", I doubt he even knew it had so many errors in it. So that seems more logical to me as well - I doubt Vader's pink saber was a "creative decision".