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Which did you prefer, the SE or the 2004 DVD edition?

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Which did you like?


The 1997 SE or the 2004 DVD edition.
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of the two (though i have only seen ANH in the 2004 version) i have to go with the 1997. cause even though Lucas made changes then that were pointless and what not, the 2004 DVD changes take it to a whole new level of ruining a perfectly good movie.

Some where minor changes, but more (if not all of the changes, not even talking about the mistakes) are just a slap in the face to people who just want the OOT. Anakin's ghost, Fett's voice, new Emperor Dialog, new shuttle scene with Vader. Its truly insulting (im perfectly capable of infering that vader traveled via a shuttle, i dont need you to show it with footage from another movie)

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good reasonable points. i can't argue with him but i'd go with the 2004 DVD, because the nasty "pink tint" in A New Hope was erased, the lightsabers were spruced up (Not the pink saber in ESB!) Jabba looked better,

The Ian McDiarmid Emperor in ESB.
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I haven't watched the 2004 SE's other than the changes. While I detest both SE's, it probably goes something like this for me:

2004 ANH > '97 ANH *("better" looking Jabba, improved lightsabers, "better" Han/Greedo)

'97 ESB > 2004 ESB (While I don't mind the inclusion of IM, I don't like the dialogue)

'97 ROTJ > 2004 ROTJ (I'll never understand the inclusion of HC at the end)


Therefore, I prefer the '97 SE's.

* better = less crappy
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Nothing can excuse Hayden as Anakin's ghost.

For that simple reason, I find the '97 SE to be the lesser offensive.

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I truly believe in the 1997 S.E.'s as the natural progression of the OT, if there was to be one. The added scenes seem more fluid aside from the fact that Lucas and company could have made them look a bit more dated to match the rest of the films better instead of trying to brighten up the rest of the films to match the scenes. The 2004 S.E.'s can smoke "cat puke" for all I care. The bonus material disc is the only piece of that box set that has a welcomed purpose.............that's my story and I am sticking to it.....lmao

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ANH-2004 SE>1997 SE
ESB-2004 SE>1997 SE
ROTJ-1997 SE>2004 SE

Overall-1997 I know 2004 got 2 votes but Hayden,AHHHHHH!!!!!
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The 2004 DVDs. The SEs seem like a half-completed work-in-progress, but then again, so do the DVDs, albeit 2/3 finished. ANH gets major points for finally correcting Vader's voice, and improving the lightsabers in the duel as well. In ESB, the HORRIBLE screaming Luke was removed, and although I was a bit underwhelmed by Ian's performance as the Emperor, at least Palpatine is no longer an old woman with monkey eyes. And in RotJ, the Rancor was at last correctly composited. The picture quality in all three films is unmatched.

For now I'll overlook stuff like the numerous new saber errors, the end celebration, and Hayden in hopes that those are on the list for the next third of corrections. If not, that's what fan edits are for.
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Can't comment as I've only seen the SEs a few times each (ANH and ESB only; I've only seen ROTJ:SE all the way through once) and I haven't seen any of the 2004 DVD editions.
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I have to go with with the 2004 DVD sets on this.

Something weird happened to me just about the time those DVDs came out.

For some strange reason I just stopped caring about what George Lucas does to these movies. I think something snapped in my head. It's like one day I woke up and just went "OK I’m not going to fight it anymore." After that I kind of enjoyed the DVDs. I thought they were a fun time to watch and for the first time sense 97 I wasn't wondering what was changed. I just sort of fell into the movies again and just watched them for fun. I hadn't done that sense I was a kid and it really changed the way I viewed the trilogy. Suddenly I just didn't care.

Now don't get me wrong I still would like to see an official release of the OT on DVD. I mean who here wouldn't but to me at least I’m actually really happy with the DVD sets that are out there. I can watch the OT on DVD if I want to but 9 times out of 10 I’ll pop in the new DVDs.

I still don't care for the Han fire thing or the ghost thing but other than that I was really complacent with the new DVDs. To me most of the changes seemed like a step toward the OT while still moving forward with GL's vision.

call me crazy...

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2004 DVDs.

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2004 DVDs ... but if I had the choice, I'd choose the O-OT

pro 2004 Edition:
-for whatever you might say about Lucas' irrational devotion to SFX and image quality, you have to admit, they look pretty amazing (clarity, color accuracy, etc.)
-better Jabba (why they couldn't get him to the quality of his PM counterpart I can't figure ...) and other CG characters
-Ian McDiarmid in ESB
-Updated ROTJ ending celebrations
-Han is getting closer to shooting first again LOL

things I didn't care for:
-Anakin's ghost - that's fairly unforgivable IMHO
-green lightsaber in ANH? How did this happen? and lightsaber inconsistencies in other scenes ...

Other than that, the changes seemed pretty minor. Honestly, I don't see how refusing to release the O-OT gets Lucas more money. I think it's a case of an "artist" being too interested in pleasing himself to accept outside input. That can be seen as a good or bad thing ... personally, I wish I could have a nice transfer of the films as they originally were. LOL, but somehow, I don't think that's an original thought on these boards.
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Its a question of the lesser of two evils.
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can't and won't vote. I like the SE's, but mistakes were made in both versions, and improvements were made in both versions.

1997 good:
Inclusion of some Biggs footage.
Better music than Yub Nub to end the saga.
Restoring the Jabba scene in ANH was good in concept, but ...

1997 bad:
CG Jabba wasn't very good looking, and his dialogue was ultimately repetitive.
Luke's wussy scream in ESB

2004 Good:
CG Jabba was much better
getting rid of Luke's wussy scream
vastly improved Rancor compositing.
Ian McD playing the Emperor, but ...

2004 Bad:
Nonsensical dialogue added to Ian's scene in ESB. Couldn't just reshoot the same dialogue could they?
Bad title card in ANH
New Krayt call in ANH
Screwed up surround channels and missing Yavin fanfare in ANH
"Wesa Free" in ROTJ
Hayden Christensen ruining Anakin's redemption. ROTJ

Both versions bad:
Hokey robot/jawa slapstick in the Mos Eisley entrance
Greedo shooting first
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They corrected Vader's voice? Can't believe I didn't notice.

I would've appreciated the Emperor more if he'd had the exact same dialogue in TESB.
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What's less horrible, you mean? 2004 for ANH, 1997 for ESB and ROTJ.
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In the dvd version a tiny bit of JEJ voice was tweaked a bit in A New Hope.
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How so? Could you give me an example? I never noticed.

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Just listen to his voice and compare it to every preceding version, it has obviously been remixed to sound more hollow and reverberated like ESB and ROTJ.
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Yes i noticed the line in the death star battle "We will destroy them, one by one.." sounded like ESB JEJ.
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I prefer the 2004 versions better. I watched them in Science class, and they look excellent.
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Science Class??
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Originally posted by: Mackey256
I have to go with with the 2004 DVD sets on this.

Something weird happened to me just about the time those DVDs came out.
For some strange reason I just stopped caring about what George Lucas does to these movies. I think something snapped in my head. It's like one day I woke up and just went "OK I’m not going to fight it anymore."


I would say you succumbed to the DARK SIDE!!!!! ;-P


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totally agreed with you there.
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lol

I had succumbed to the dark side look before that...

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