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You may be right, but to me, trying and failing is better than not trying and failing.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I just meant from his point of view.

You have to understand that Lucas is spending quite a bit of money already "restoring" the classic trilogy. It's just to him, it's far more important to make it more the way he wanted it than to preserve how it was originally. To him, he's trying to ensure that Star Wars will last long after he is gone, and last as a truer representation of what he wanted it to be.

Which seems to change every release now. I wonder what further additions he will slap on the original trilogy for the 3D release...

This whole "I AM AN ARTIST, THIS IS MY VISION!" crap is just a clever marketing ploy. Nothing more. He keeps changing the movies and inventing new excuses for the changes until the franchise (or he himself) is deader than dead.


For him to go back and restore the versions of the films he felt weren't finished in the first place is counter productive to his own personal artistic goals.


His artistic goals are monetary goals.


I think part of the reason he didn't release the O-OT on DVD at all is because he probably felt that the laserdisc Master just wouldn't be up to today's standards. I think that's why it was like pulling teeth for Jim Ward to finally convince him to okay the September solution.


This is what GL meant by how inventive and creative Star Wars fans are: they keep inventing new excuses to back up his arse.


If he were to go back and restore a print of the O-OT, and bring it up to today's standards, it would be for the benefit of the people who actually want those cuts, not Lucas. Sure he stands to make money from it, but only if there is enough interest to off set the cost of the restoration in the first place.


Now you change semantics. Most fans would have done pretty well with a stadard transfer from a good 35mm print, which would have easily surpassed a 13 year old video transfer. We were never talking about a restauration which is something completely different.


That's why I see this September release as a way to show Lucas that the original versions -do- matter to a substantial enough group of people to make the restoration effort finacially self sustaining.


I thought he is an artists and does not care about our opinions, let alone our money, because they are contrary to his "ARTISTIC VISION"(tm)...


I agree with your assessment of THX. Lucas certainly knows the consumer dynamic like the back of his hand.

For me in the end, I hold myself responsible for any of my purchases. If I choose to be double dipped, then I choose to be double dipped.


Fair enough.
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You may be right, but to me, trying and failing is better than not trying and failing.


"Do or do not.. there is no try."
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Originally posted by: Wookie Wedgie
You may be right, but to me, trying and failing is better than not trying and failing.


"Do or do not.. there is no try."


Exactly. Although this OOT release can hardly be considered as "try".
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He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to. If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.
"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.


It deserves whatever the artist intends for it.... everyone else's interpretation/whishes are completely inconsequential.

"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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I don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can.

I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do.

Obviousy not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original verisons. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer.

I just also understand where Lucas is coming from.

I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion.

Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either.

I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this.

While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.

I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.

The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD. You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently. He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant. The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
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Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.


It deserves whatever the artist intends for it....


...from the artist POV. Luckily, we are all entitled to have our own POV´s.


everyone else's interpretation/whishes are completely inconsequential.


Apparently not. I really doubt the OOT would have come out if not for the fan preservationists, and their copies being sold for money on Ebay. Suddenly, this can have huge impacts on "artistic visions" (tm)
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Yes, it's the artist's call. Unless the artist is Richard Marquand.
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: JediRandy
He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to.

Well, everyone does what everyone wants. This alone however, makes no statement about the motivation behind the "will". And no, you give no respect to something by changing it into something different.

Oh, I misread you, you said "he gave the OT the respect it DESERVES" That of course, leaves some room for interpretation.


If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.


You are right. The 2004SE DVD´s aren´t mine. And for getting hard nipples, I need something stronger.


It deserves whatever the artist intends for it....




...from the artist POV. Luckily, we are all entitled to have our own POV´s.


everyone else's interpretation/whishes are completely inconsequential.


Apparently not. I really doubt the OOT would have come out if not for the fan preservationists, and their copies being sold for money on Ebay. Suddenly, this can have huge impacts on "artistic visions" (tm)


Sure, have a POV, it doesn't mean anything , though. The kicker is he actually listened to this "huge" fanboy "outcry" and released the thing on DVD but, in true SW fan fashion, it wasnt' good enough so the bitching continued.

He could come over and install a digital theater in the fans living rooms for their state-of-the-art DVD to play on and they'd still complain.


"Among many things I have to be thankful for are you, the fans. I know that some of you haven't liked every single thing that I've done with the saga, and that you have a strong sense of ownership over all things Star Wars. But take that passion and devotion and channel it into a creative project of your own."
-George Lucas
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Why does it always come back on us (the fans) with you Randy? Lucas obviously hasn't finished the movies the way he wanted to, otherwise there wouldn't have been more changes in the 2004 DVDs and possibly more in the 30th anniversary set. For the record, Lucas didn't release the OOT in the 04 set. He didn't even release the 97 SE in that set (the main reason I didn't buy it). All anyone asks is that the movie he created be treated with the same respect that any other movie of cultural significance be treated. Despite what you might believe, he is not treating the movie that was released in 1977 with that respect. He's treating it like a piece of artwork that will never reach completion. He changes a few things here and there with each release in order to get us to keep buying it. Some of us are done and aren't going to buy it anymore. He will never be completely satisfied with it as evidenced by the things he changes and then changes back.

Lucas didn't listen to a thing by releasing the GOUT as a bonus disc. What he did do was get a whole bunch of people to go out and buy the 04 DVDs again in order to get the movie they really wanted in poor quality. If he were really listening to this "outcry" he'd release the OOT (I personally don't care if it says EP IV ANH in the crawl or not, but that can easily be fixed with seemless branching), remastered, on DVD. He hasn't done this and I don't think he ever will. For that, I, and many others, say enough. No more money for you George, at least not for DVDs or conventions. Sure, I'll still buy the occasional figure that I think looks really cool, but I don't go out of my way for it anymore. Most times, I don't even pick up anything that's prequel related.

Everyone should feel sick to their stomach that GL isn't treating his creation with the same respect that a lot of fan groups are. The kicker is that he'll continue to treat SW this way until all the fans stop giving him money (yes, I know, I'm guilty as well, but I don't put toy sales in the same boat as DVD sales). Once the money stops rolling in, he'll either finally do what we've all been asking him to do (and probably make billions in the process) or he'll move on.
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He did give the OT the respect it deserves.... he finished it the way he wanted to. If you don't like it, tough titties.... it isn't yours.

Well, then Lucas will continue to deservedly suffer the slings and arrows of critics who know it can be done better. Lucas is a public figure and we have every right to question his choices. If we can question the choices of political figures, etc., we can question Lucas, too. So, tough titties.
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Originally posted by: JediRandy



Sure, have a POV, it doesn't mean anything , though. The kicker is he actually listened to this "huge" fanboy "outcry" and released the thing on DVD but, in true SW fan fashion, it wasnt' good enough so the bitching continued.

He could come over and install a digital theater in the fans living rooms for their state-of-the-art DVD to play on and they'd still complain.



Come on JR, I don't think that is fair. Of course you are always going to have a couple of idiots who complain about anything that Lucas does, but there is a huge majority out here who would be totally happy if Lucas put out the OOT in 2006 DVD quality, meaning Anamorphic Widescreen.

I know I would, and I wouldn't care what else he did in the future, because DVD's will last forever and I still believe HDDVD will be a niche market like Laserdisk. All of the DVD's I have will stay in my collection until I die, cause DVD quality is great, and I am not going to waste my money on HDDVD for alittle bit better quality. The reason people are mad is because Anamorphic DVD's are such a leap from laserdisks and VHS, where it is a huge difference, whereas HDDVD is better, but not a huge leap.

Give me OOT on DVD in the quality the 2004 transfers & sound was and Lucas will never have to hear from me again, just like Zemeckis has never had to hear from me since I bought Back to the Future Trilogy in Anamorphic Widescreen in 2002. It is real easy, put out a great product, and fans will be happy. But then again, I guess we have to run around in circles in this arguement for the zillionth time.
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He has always suffered the slings and arrows of his critics.

I think he's more than used to it by now.
George Lucas: I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can.

I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do.

Then why did he put the OOT in it in the first place, from this point of view? Inferior films in shoddy quality. What about his "artistic vision"(tm) ?


Obviousy not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original verisons. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer.

I´m glad you approve our taste.


I just also understand where Lucas is coming from.

I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion.


Yeah, he is respecting his own vision so much, like changing the movies over and over again ine ach new release, always claiming that these have ALWAYS been his visions.

Honestly, you don´t believe this crap yourself, do you?


Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either.

You are right. With one small little mistake: Star Wars is no art. It´s a franchise, a product. A franchise is supposed to make money. And it only makes money, if it pleases the customers, i.e. the price is right according to the product´s value. Everything else is wishful thinking.

You said it yourself, GL won´t be pissing money away for a non-profitable OOT restauration. So i won´t be pissing away my money for him. Simple.


I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this.

While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.

Well, if such a lot of disrespect is given to his artistic vision, doesn´t it occur to you that perhaps he might have screwed up the last few years, artistically? (Not monetary, all prequel Star Wars films did very well at the boxoffice). Why are these issues like "Han shoots first!!" so popular? Is everyone an ignorant bastard, who is incapable of seeing Lucas "artistic vision" behind it?


I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.


Well, so what? What is YOUR concern about this? This guy is a big boy, with loads of money and who doesn´t care about his fanbase. You certainly don´t have to jump for him into the bushes, defending him from everyone who is so mean to him to put him VERBALLY down.


The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD.


The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.


You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently.


He doesn´t need to, since he is in the position to get his way, no matter what everyone else thinks.


He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant.


Again, he doesn´t need to.


The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.


Yes, of course we can all be so thankful that he so "gracious" about the diversity of opinions.

Sorry, this is almost like hearing someone talking, who is not a fan but a member of a cult.
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He has always suffered the slings and arrows of his critics.


Does that mean we should stop? No.
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George Lucas: I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.


Great quote. Makes me laugh. But what does he mean by "love" that's what I want to know? He loves to make Han look like a wuss? He loves to add CGI that he has to replace with better CGI only a few years later? He loves to tinker and continue to tinker and fuss and muss continually? Just what does he love about it? If he loved the story, he'd would have adhered to the story precepts he put in ANH. So, it can't be that. He just loves the tinkering around and futzing.
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Originally posted by: JediRandy

Sure, have a POV, it doesn't mean anything , though.


Exactly. Although I would say: Having a POV doesn´t neccessarily mean anything though.


The kicker is he actually listened to this "huge" fanboy "outcry" and released the thing on DVD but, in true SW fan fashion, it wasnt' good enough so the bitching continued.


Well, what did you suppose? For a bad product, you deserve to be criticized. The same rules for every film DVD release apply here, too, even for Star Wars.

Besides, again, this release was clearly intended to reduce the amount of SE discs left over, the OOT being a simple marketing gag. Didn´t you ask yourself why this release is limited? Because they want to CLEAR the inventories.


He could come over and install a digital theater in the fans living rooms for their state-of-the-art DVD to play on and they'd still complain.


Nah, that would be too much for $19.99, don´t you think. A standard treatment, like for instance my Flash Gordon DVD, which kick´s the OOT´s ass in terms of picture quality, would have satisfied me.

Luckily, I´m also a huge Blade Runner fan.
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Originally posted by: Wookie Wedgie
George Lucas: I’m the one who has to take responsibility for it. I’m the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they’re going to throw rocks at me, they’re going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.


Great quote. Makes me laugh. But what does he mean by "love" that's what I want to know? He loves to make Han look like a wuss? He loves to add CGI that he has to replace with better CGI only a few years later? He loves to tinker and continue to tinker and fuss and muss continually? Just what does he love about it? If he loved the story, he'd would have adhered to the story precepts he put in ANH. So, it can't be that. He just loves the tinkering around and futzing.


Yes. And we are all supposed to love it, too. This way, it would be much easier to sell your products. Oh pardon me, I forgot that this is just about "artistic vision"(tm).
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Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I don't deny the business side of Lucas, I just think that his idea of good business is to make the best product he can. I realise the non Anamorphic release isn't the best he could have done. To him the SE version was the best he could do. Then why did he put the OOT in it in the first place, from this point of view? Inferior films in shoddy quality. What about his "artistic vision"(tm) ? Well, having the original versions seemed to be really important to us.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Obviousy not everyone thinks the new changes were for the better, and legitimately prefer the original verisons. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and I do hope that all SW fans can enjoy as much or as little of the saga as they want to, in the format they prefer. I´m glad you approve our taste. I think everyone's taste is perfectly valid from their own point of view.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I just also understand where Lucas is coming from. I don't think it's about disrespecting the people who don't agree with him as much as he is respecting his own vision for it with a determined passion. Yeah, he is respecting his own vision so much, like changing the movies over and over again in each new release, always claiming that these have ALWAYS been his visions. Well I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding here. I don't think he is really trying to claim that he had the whole vision for the SW saga from the very beginning. I think he means to say that most of the things he did to change the classic trilogy were the result of things he couldn't originally do exactly the way he had hoped he could do it. Also each release has represented his "definative" vision "at the time" I think there was part of him that thought that he might only go so far with it, but then as he went he decided to go even further.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Honestly, you don´t believe this crap yourself, do you? Yes, I think Lucas has by and large been pretty honest about all of this. I think that he is just not the best public speaker, and with the way the media tends to present things out of context, he is largely just misunderstood.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
Nobody could talk him out of making SW in the first place, and a lot of people thought he was crazy to do it in the first place. Why would he suddenly come to the conclusion that his detractors are right now? I think it is a bit selfish to not give a crap about the people who prefer the originals, but I honesty don't see many of those people giving a crap about what he wants either. You are right. With one small little mistake: Star Wars is not art. It´s a franchise, a product. A franchise is supposed to make money. And it only makes money, if it pleases the customers, i.e. the price is right according to the product´s value. Everything else is wishful thinking. You said it yourself, GL won´t be pissing money away for a non-profitable OOT restauration. So i won´t be pissing away my money for him. Simple. I think that art and business can both mutually exist if the artist is also the businessman. Lucas' artistic sensibilities are preserved in the SE version and whatever version is coming next year. For him to re-release the older versions, that's purely a consumer demand issue for him. If that can't be done without losing money, then he doesn't see the business sense in doing it. Artistically, he didn't want to re-release it at all.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I know some of you have no problem with his changes as long as the original is provided along side of it, but by and large there is a lot of crap being flung in Lucas general direction over all of this. While I can relate to the hard feelings over his suppression of the O-OT and now his lackluster presentation of the O-OT, I think that there is a lot of disrespect given to him beyond that, putting down his artistic vision to the point where you might get the idea that SW was great despite Lucas.
Well, if such a lot of disrespect is given to his artistic vision, doesn´t it occur to you that perhaps he might have screwed up the last few years, artistically? (Not monetary, all prequel Star Wars films did very well at the boxoffice). Why are these issues like "Han shoots first!!" so popular? Is everyone an ignorant bastard, who is incapable of seeing Lucas "artistic vision" behind it?
I think what happens is people get attatched to things. I can relate to the way a lot of people fell in love with the originals, and would just prefer to remember them that way. I don't think there is anything wrong with being disappointed in the changes, and I think there is nothing wrong with asking Lucas to reconsider his stance on releasing the originals. The thing is, not everyone cares about who shot first. Not everyone cares about the switch to Hayden Ghost in ROTJ. Some people actually think that's just fine. I for one think that by and large, Lucas hasn't really altered the classic trilogy. I think all the changes are mostly cosmetic, and don't alter the storyline or characters in any signifigant way. So yeah a lot of people weren't impressed, but that doesn't mean his artistic vision for these films is "wrong" it just means you don't like it.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
I'm not pointing fingers here, but surely you have to admit there have been a lot of insults sent his way.
Well, so what? What is YOUR concern about this? This guy is a big boy, with loads of money and who doesn´t care about his fanbase. You certainly don´t have to jump for him into the bushes, defending him from everyone who is so mean to him to put him VERBALLY down.
The only reason I really speak out about this is because I think that if we want him to care more about us, we have to be reasonable about it. If all we do is cry out that Lucas is a cold hearted businessman with no artistic intent in the first place, well I don't see why he -should- care more than he has.
Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The worst he did was not produce the versions everyone wanted to have on DVD.
The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.
And yet somehow a lot of us do.Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
You don't see him putting down all the ways we might have done it differently.
He doesn´t need to, since he is in the position to get his way, no matter what everyone else thinks.Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He doesn't say that the people who disagree with him are not artistically competant.
Again, he doesn´t need to.
My question is why do we need to do that in reverse? What does that gain for us? What purpose does that serve?Originally posted by: Vigo
Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The way I see it, he is stubborn about his vision, but gracious about the diversity of opinions out there.
Yes, of course we can all be so thankful that he so "gracious" about the diversity of opinions. Sorry, this is almost like hearing someone talking, who is not a fan but a member of a cult.
That's okay. I feel the same way about people who demonize Lucas.
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Originally posted by: Vigo
The worst thing he did was destroying the original negative of the original Star Wars films. For every Star Wars fan, this should be unforgivable.
For every movie fan, this is unforgiveable. It's really just about the most heinous cinema crime I've ever heard of.

There have been other negatives of cinematic masterpieces of historical significance which have been shamefully neglected and allowed to deteriorate ... but this is the only instance I've ever been made aware of where someone purposefully destroyed such a negative.


I find this quote of George's that Go-Mer posted to be outrageous and, well, indicative of insanity:
Originally stated by George Lucas
Anybody that makes films knows the film is never finished.

Huh? WTF? Anybody who makes films? What a crock! Who is he to speak for the world's filmmakers? ... most of whom I would imagine are grown-up enough to know that, at some point (and yeah, it's usually the point of public release) your work of art is finished ... and it's on to the next. He has a lot of nerve projecting his permanent state of real or faux dissastisfaction onto the rest of the world's filmmakers. Megalomaniac, with the emphasis on Maniac!!!


Interestingly, I was at a screening of Star Trek Wrath of Kahn last night that featured a Q&A with the writer/director Nicolas Meyer. He said that films were like a message in a bottle ... and that despite any legal claims to the contrary, a film no longer belongs to its creator in any real or moral sense once it's put out there to the public. I gave him a hearty dose of applause for his admission, as a filmmaker, that "ownership" of art is impossible and illusory once it becomes part of the public sphere.


Plain and simple, George Lucas is a fucktard lunatic. I've never been so happy to not have a widescreen TV in my life ... cause I can pretty much be satisfied with the recent substandard DVD release of Star Wars. If he wants to repudiate his unforgiveable criminal past and complete a fullscale restoration of Star Wars, that will be gravy. In the meanwhile, I don't give a fig what a creep the likes of George Lucas does with his twisted life. He can twirl his villainous mustache outside the San Rafael Best Buy as far as I'm concerned ... or, in his case, flick the folds of his multiple necks.


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He didn't destroy the original negatives, he merely improved them in his opinion, and if you still want to watch the originals he has just re-released them on DVD.

They aren't gone, they just aren't good enough everyone (even though this is as good as it has -ever- looked on home video to date).

Who is George Lucas to speak on behalf of "film makers"? Are you kidding me? I suppose that as a viewer, you are better able to speak on the behalf of film makers? Because you once heard the director of Wrath Of Khan tell you that no matter what anyone else thinks, that once a movie is released, it blongs to the viewers?

I'm curious, have you made any films yourself?

"Criminal" Past? How can anyone take this stance seriously?

And to top it off, you call -him- a "fucktard lunatic".

You don't have to care what he wants, but I really don't blame him for not caring about what you want either.
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I think that he is just not the best public speaker, and with the way the media tends to present things out of context, he is largely just misunderstood.

OOOH!!! So, that's why the PT's don't make any sense and we have to fabricate and spin half the stuff that's in it to make it work plot-wise. Nobody, not the actors, not the special effects guys, understood him. Got it.

No wonder we don't get his 'vision.' He just wasn't able to completely convey it properly due to the inability to speak eloquently. This would be why the dialogue sucks, too. We just didn't read Lucas' mind...haha.

I'm curious, have you made any films yourself?


This is one of the most fallacious arguments around. Since you haven't made a film yourself (I really doubt you have), do you have capacity to claim the PT's are great movies? Don't think so. We are on even battlefield here. People criticize politicians, etc. all the time, and have any of them held office? So they don't have the right to do so? Of course, they do. So you're little claim of, "If you haven't made a movie, you don't have the right to criticize it" falls in deaf ears.
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
He didn't destroy the original negatives, he merely improved them in his opinion, and if you still want to watch the originals he has just re-released them on DVD. They aren't gone, they just aren't good enough for you anymore...

Now this one takes the cake. Maybe I should make it my new signature..............

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