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When will we see a fan edit of episode 4 that includes the SC 38 reimagined fight scene from FXitinPost?

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When will we see a fan edit of episode 4 that includes the SC 38 reimagined fight scene from FXitinPost?

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My computer is currently out of commission until the end of this month. Once that’s over with, I’m planning on screen recording my DVD copy of Adywan’s A New Hope and then editing this scene in. I’m also planning on adding back in the Luke and Leia grapple scene (since that was removed with FX’s scene for some reason). I’m sure somebody else will probably have this done by then, but I’m still planning on doing it.

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I made one yesterday, it feels so awful and just plain wrong LOL! I used HAL9000’s custom SE workprint as the main source. If you really want to see it I suppose I can share it with some people but its SOOO bad.

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ForceGhostRecon’s edit of the scene is the best I think it can get in terms of using the footage from it. Obviously it needs some more tweeking, but I think pieces of it can easily work in a edit of Ep. IV.

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Iryin01 Cool, I’ll keep an eye out for your edit when you finish it. I think FXitinPost left out some of those scenes so it didn’t take too long to get back to their fight scene.

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I came here immediately in hopes that someone would do this.

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Want to keep this thread alive. Has something happened since? Are there any versions of episode 4 with the fxitinpost scene?

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I made my own custom version of Adywan’s edit with this scene and some other FX shots from others’ edits, though it’s way too rough around the edges for me to feel comfortable sharing it(can’t even figure out how to get a non-choppy framerate, lol). I found the scene works really well if you edit the fight to start right after Ben deactivates the tractor beam and cut out some of the scenes with Ben wandering around the Death Star afterwards. It takes on the appearance of Vader luring him in and ambushing him.

Main issues faced by someone trying to edit in the full scene in a more professional manner would the cropping/blue tint on the scenes from the film and an audio desync during Ben’s “strike me down…” line that I’m surprised the original fanfilm editor didn’t fix.

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Anyone have any links to some good ANH fanedits that use SC 38? I already have ForceGhostRecon’s but I kind of want one that doesn’t include the scenes from Rogue One, since I want a version that can be marathoned with Rogue One.

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I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence. They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging. The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.
I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on. At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

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Vladius said:

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence. They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging. The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.
I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on. At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

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If you’re not interested in an edit with the scene, no one is holding you down and forcing you to watch one.

Anyway, I’ve been trying to make an edit using ForceGhostRecon’s edit but with the Rogue One stuff swapped out for the normal opening. I feel like the reimagined fight scene helps the movie fit in better when watching the entire Star Wars series chronologically.

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Buzz Lightyear said:

If you’re not interested in an edit with the scene, no one is holding you down and forcing you to watch one.

Anyway, I’ve been trying to make an edit using ForceGhostRecon’s edit but with the Rogue One stuff swapped out for the normal opening. I feel like the reimagined fight scene helps the movie fit in better when watching the entire Star Wars series chronologically.

I said that it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others.

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ForceGhostRecon actually did trim down the fight so it’s less over-the-top. I think it turned out pretty cool.

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I personally prefer what Adywan did. He managed to change it so that it hardly looks different, but is still substantially more intense.

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Vladius said:

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence. They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging. The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.
I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on. At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

Respectfully I think you’re missing the point of the scene. Kendo, samurai… these concepts are an inspiration for the original fight when it came out in 1977. But after 40 years of Star Wars, and a very specific fighting style established by nearly every movie after it, this fight just doesn’t work anymore. The dialogue, lack of passion, laughable choreography, it really sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise masterpiece of a movie. Sc.38 by fixitinpost doesn’t fit in perfectly, but its years ahead of what we had. You can really feel the anger that Vader would have felt after finally seeing the man that left him to die after so many years. You can feel it in the power of his swings. The way he just keeps pushing forward, always on the offensive is very akin to the way a dark side user would use their emotions in a fight. And I know that they are both supposed to be old men, but so were Yoda, Dooku, and Palpatine and they had no problems executing the craziest saber fights of the entire saga. This is the fight Lucas would have wanted to give the fans. The OT wasn’t perfect, and even if this fight was at the time, it is not anymore.

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EmperorMouse said:

Vladius said:

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence. They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging. The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.
I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on. At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

Respectfully I think you’re missing the point of the scene. Kendo, samurai… these concepts are an inspiration for the original fight when it came out in 1977. But after 40 years of Star Wars, and a very specific fighting style established by nearly every movie after it, this fight just doesn’t work anymore. The dialogue, lack of passion, laughable choreography, it really sticks out like a sore thumb in an otherwise masterpiece of a movie. Sc.38 by fixitinpost doesn’t fit in perfectly, but its years ahead of what we had. You can really feel the anger that Vader would have felt after finally seeing the man that left him to die after so many years. You can feel it in the power of his swings. The way he just keeps pushing forward, always on the offensive is very akin to the way a dark side user would use their emotions in a fight. And I know that they are both supposed to be old men, but so were Yoda, Dooku, and Palpatine and they had no problems executing the craziest saber fights of the entire saga. This is the fight Lucas would have wanted to give the fans. The OT wasn’t perfect, and even if this fight was at the time, it is not anymore.

??? The Jedi have always been inspired by samurai. The style of the two Luke vs. Vader fights in ESB and ROTJ are fairly similar, two hands on the saber, with a little more movement but otherwise in the same style. It’s not until the prequels that things get wild out of control crazy.
As recently as the Rebels show, older Obi Wan was depicted the same way. Darth Maul does all of his flashy moves and Obi Wan cuts him down with one, precise strike.
It’s nice, it’s tasteful, it’s not pandering.

What is your problem with the dialogue? It’s classic and it tells us a lot about the characters.

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It’s not about fighting style, it’s about choreography. Obi-Wan vs Maul in Rebels and Vader vs Luke in both ESB and RotJ were very well choreographed fights. The original Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight was very sloppily choreographed because of a mix of factors: Alec Guinness was older and almost certainly didn’t take the concept of lightsaber fights very seriously in general, they were using fragile sticks that they were worried about breaking, and they had a limited budget and tight schedule and obviously didn’t prioritize spending a lot of time on multiple reshoots of the saber fight just to get it looking good.

SC38 Reimagined kind of goes over the top, sure, but it’s undeniably better choreographed than the original. I personally think the trimmed down edit of SC38 Reimagined works best. It focuses on Obi-Wan’s defensive fighting style established in the prequels (which is how he’s able to hold his own against Anakin’s natural raw strength), while demonstrating Vader’s sheer rage and aggression without going overboard.

I also personally find it a bit odd to complain about it not fitting in terms of special effects. The special effects aren’t good enough in ANH for any of it to actually look real, you really have to stretch your imagination no matter what you do. If I can suspend my disbelief for a guy in a rubber mask from a halloween store, then I can suspend my disbelief for a cool fight scene.

By the way, I guess I should mention in this thread too, but I made my own personal edit of ForceGhostRecon’s edit that restores the original opening so it is compatible with Rogue One. You can PM me if you want to check it out.

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G-Rock said:

When will we see a fan edit of episode 4 that includes the SC 38 reimagined fight scene from FXitinPost?

Just about finished one myself, but I’m sure I ain’t the only one! That fan film is sublime.

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Vladius said:

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence.

It’s hardly “acrobatic”; nothing at all like the over-the-top stuff we got in the prequels.

“Sc38 Reimagined” shows us precisely what we should expect from (a) two experienced Force-users, the younger almost seeming to toy with the older; and (b) two warriors who used to be friends but had a violent falling-out. In context, this reimagining gives us the fully appropriate levels of both skill and emotional intensity.

They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging.

This sentence isn’t entirely accurate. Some use of Kendo is appropriate, given that to some degree (more so in TESB) Lucas actually referenced Kendo for some of the choreography. But again - quite appropriately - this pattern isn’t consistent, because Vader at this point is significantly more powerful and doesn’t actually need to use all of his training. We see more rage from him - exactly as we should expect, given their history - while from Kenobi we see more in the way of defensive skill. He’s calling on everything he’s got just to survive.

This in fact compliments the original dialogue from Vader: “Now I am the master. . . . Your powers are weak, old man.” Vader’s rage and insults are an appropriate counterpoint to Kenobi’s worn-out skills and desperation.

Moreover, your above-quoted statement appears at odds with the next sentence:

The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.

This is nonsensical. Juxtaposed with your prior sentence, you seem to imply that you want more “leaping, running, [and] wild swinging.”

Does it entirely fit with the stylings of a '70s science-fantasy film? I’ll grant that it doesn’t quite. “Sc38” may not have entirely worked if we could travel back in time and plop it into Episode IV when there wasn’t any canonical context for viewers back then. But this is more than offset for viewers today who have the rear-view awareness of the context of the full Saga. “Sc38” perfectly fits the story.

I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on.

All of that fits the context of the story (as well as stuff we see elsewhere strewn around the corridors of the Death Star).

At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

I have to think this isn’t intended as a replacement for any of that, and it’s relatively easy to splice it into the original.

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Buzz Lightyear said:

It’s not about fighting style, it’s about choreography. Obi-Wan vs Maul in Rebels and Vader vs Luke in both ESB and RotJ were very well choreographed fights. The original Obi-Wan vs. Vader fight was very sloppily choreographed because of a mix of factors: Alec Guinness was older and almost certainly didn’t take the concept of lightsaber fights very seriously in general, they were using fragile sticks that they were worried about breaking, and they had a limited budget and tight schedule and obviously didn’t prioritize spending a lot of time on multiple reshoots of the saber fight just to get it looking good.

SC38 Reimagined kind of goes over the top, sure, but it’s undeniably better choreographed than the original. I personally think the trimmed down edit of SC38 Reimagined works best. It focuses on Obi-Wan’s defensive fighting style established in the prequels (which is how he’s able to hold his own against Anakin’s natural raw strength), while demonstrating Vader’s sheer rage and aggression without going overboard.

I also personally find it a bit odd to complain about it not fitting in terms of special effects. The special effects aren’t good enough in ANH for any of it to actually look real, you really have to stretch your imagination no matter what you do. If I can suspend my disbelief for a guy in a rubber mask from a halloween store, then I can suspend my disbelief for a cool fight scene.

By the way, I guess I should mention in this thread too, but I made my own personal edit of ForceGhostRecon’s edit that restores the original opening so it is compatible with Rogue One. You can PM me if you want to check it out.

I just have to disagree. Alec Guinness was one of the only people to take the movie in general seriously. The choreography is fine for a very simple samurai-inspired sword fight. The effects of the original Star Wars are generally really good, and that includes the weird aliens and costuming.

I do understand where you guys are coming from. You’re fans of the prequels and you want the originals to look more like the prequels, and you’re disappointed when they don’t. I agree with you that the original Kenobi vs. Vader duel was not filmed with the intention that it would fit into a “saga” with a much more elaborate duel to compare it to. The idea of a fifth sequel to the movie being released in 2005 was not even a twinkle in anyone’s eye.

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Gothamknight said:

Vladius said:

I appreciate what they did but I think that they and others miss the point of the scene, it’s not supposed to be an elaborate acrobatic fight sequence.

It’s hardly “acrobatic”; nothing at all like the over-the-top stuff we got in the prequels.

“Sc38 Reimagined” shows us precisely what we should expect from (a) two experienced Force-users, the younger almost seeming to toy with the older; and (b) two warriors who used to be friends but had a violent falling-out. In context, this reimagining gives us the fully appropriate levels of both skill and emotional intensity.

They’re doing Kendo, which is what actual samurai fights would have looked like; two hands on the sword, more footwork than leaping, running, or wild swinging.

This sentence isn’t entirely accurate. Some use of Kendo is appropriate, given that to some degree (more so in TESB) Lucas actually referenced Kendo for some of the choreography. But again - quite appropriately - this pattern isn’t consistent, because Vader at this point is significantly more powerful and doesn’t actually need to use all of his training. We see more rage from him - exactly as we should expect, given their history - while from Kenobi we see more in the way of defensive skill. He’s calling on everything he’s got just to survive.

This in fact compliments the original dialogue from Vader: “Now I am the master. . . . Your powers are weak, old man.” Vader’s rage and insults are an appropriate counterpoint to Kenobi’s worn-out skills and desperation.

Moreover, your above-quoted statement appears at odds with the next sentence:

The scene looks completely ridiculous in context, like dropping a cracked out MTV clip into a rerun of a show from the 70s.

This is nonsensical. Juxtaposed with your prior sentence, you seem to imply that you want more “leaping, running, [and] wild swinging.”

Does it entirely fit with the stylings of a '70s science-fantasy film? I’ll grant that it doesn’t quite. “Sc38” may not have entirely worked if we could travel back in time and plop it into Episode IV when there wasn’t any canonical context for viewers back then. But this is more than offset for viewers today who have the rear-view awareness of the context of the full Saga. “Sc38” perfectly fits the story.

I think it would be nice to include some of the shots but not others, especially the over the top force pushes, the punching, the throwing of crates and barrels, and so on.

All of that fits the context of the story (as well as stuff we see elsewhere strewn around the corridors of the Death Star).

At the very least all of the original dialogue and music should be preserved.

I have to think this isn’t intended as a replacement for any of that, and it’s relatively easy to splice it into the original.

It is absolutely just like the prequels. The twirling, the breakneck pace, the people being slammed into walls, the punching, the use of force push, the operatic choral music. I’ll give you one thing, the use of slow motion is not in any Star Wars movie, prequel or not. (I think Rose’s sister in The Last Jedi is the only possible exception.)

As of the original movie, how do you know what an “experienced force user” is supposed to look like? (moreover how do you know what Vader’s training is, how much of it he’s using, or how powerful he is) These are the only two we’ve even seen yet. Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi were both consistent with that and it only changed beginning with Phantom Menace.
Even taking into account prequel knowledge, how do you know that Vader is violently angry at Obi Wan? Maybe his emotions are more complex than that; he’s had 20 years to think about it. Maybe deep down he’s reluctant to engage him and he’s doing it out of duty to the Empire. Vader being cold and distant is much more consistent with his characterization in the movie and the next two movies.

You’re missing the point again. The most important line, which I noticed that sc38 deleted, is “You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” Obi Wan isn’t trying to win, he’s trying to delay Vader so that Luke and friends can get to the Falcon. The moment he sees Luke is okay, he lets himself be killed because he knows he’s much more useful as a disembodied voice/force ghost that can give guidance to Luke.

I mean that if you remake that scene in that style, you might as well remake the whole movie because of how incongruous it is.

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SC 38 Reimagined is prequelized junk. Vader needlessly calling his lightsaber to his hand telekinetically is proof enough of that.

Perhaps the original duel is a tad too clunky and claustrophobic. Perhaps it could do with a facelift. But this overwrought masturbatory exercise isn’t the way towards doing that.

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