When did The Empire Strikes Back become more highly regarded than Star Wars? — Page 4

Jaitea said:

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

To make a good ending to a movie

J

Watching millions of people getting burned to death in a fiery explosion seems like such a happy ending, WOW, so nice.....

The rebellion alliance were just plain evil... They were all happy and excited after the death star exploded......

Yeah but who actually died on the Death Star, did they not escape?

And even if they didn't escape they were just clones

J

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

BmB said:

 

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

Not having your planet blown up seems like a fairly good reason.

 

I can agree with you on that, it may have very well been self defense, which in a war against evil mass-murderers, self defense is totally OK and morally good, right, and just; just think about the second world war........

However, Alderaan, and despayre (if you count the EU) were already destroyed, the galactic empire had no other plans whatsoever of using it on any other planets, ever watched episode 6, no second death star used to destroy planets!!!!!!

At that point the galactic empire was harmless......

Jaitea said:

Yeah but who actually died on the Death Star, did they not escape?

And even if they didn't escape they were just clones

J

almost everybody escaped from the second death star........

nobody escaped from the first death star, remember, tarkin said no evacuation???

But the DSII was armed & the deleted scenes (as 100% canon as you can get....filmed) show your mate Jerjerrod about to destroy the forest moon.....not technically a planet....but

J

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

BmB said:

 

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

Not having your planet blown up seems like a fairly good reason.

 

I can agree with you on that, it may have very well been self defense, which in a war against evil mass-murderers, self defense is totally OK and morally good, right, and just; just think about the second world war........

However, Alderaan, and despayre (if you count the EU) were already destroyed, the galactic empire had no other plans whatsoever of using it on any other planets, ever watched episode 6, no second death star used to destroy planets!!!!!!

At that point the galactic empire was harmless......

Ermmm, except that they were just about to blow up Yavin 4  So thats one reason to blow up the first Death Star. Seriously have you even watched these movies?

Yes, I have watched these movies. Yavin 4 was a military target filled with rebel traitors who were armed enemies during wartime.......

And what are the other reasons??

Jaitea said:

But the DSII was armed & the deleted scenes (as 100% canon as you can get....filmed) show your mate Jerjerrod about to destroy the forest moon.....not technically a planet....but

J

First of all, if they're are deleted from the script or the movie, then they aint canon, if not, then why delete them????

Even if that scene is canon, Endor was home to armed wartime rebel enemies.....

A small band of Rebels.....A deleted scene is considered more canon than the EU

(Despayre & the like) that you've mentioned

J

Jaitea said:

A small band of Rebels.....A deleted scene is considered more canon than the EU

(Despayre & the like) that you've mentioned

J

What does despayre have anything to do with my arguement???

If a deleted scene is canon, then so is a deleted script, please explain this whole canon mumbo jumbo to me......

Endor and Yavin IV never would've been almost destroyed if the rebel alliance had never existed, the rebels provoked that.....

Hey, its been nice chatting, but I gotta go,....I didn't realise you were having an argument. nite

J

SilverWook said:

Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who almost killed who.

I aint trying to argue, just state my opinion. The galactic empire almost destroyed planets but they were provoked by the rebels, so the rebels really aint the good guys.....

The evil deeds of the empire were a response to the rebels.....

Tyrphanax said:

Father Skywalker said:

BmB said:

 

Father Skywalker said:

OneCentSky said:

Mainly because it wasn't more of the same. I think it continued the story in a logical way. If you blow up the Death Star, you do not win for good, The Empire will come after you. It tells you what happens afterwards it isn't just Episode 4 with same characters, different villain. It is a logical continuation and I think it is the one of the greatest movies ever made. Granted, I like the first one a lot but I think this one is definitely my favorite but I guess that is just my preference.

What the hell was the point of blowing up the first death star anyways??? Why did the rebels steal the plans for it??

Not having your planet blown up seems like a fairly good reason.

 

I can agree with you on that, it may have very well been self defense, which in a war against evil mass-murderers, self defense is totally OK and morally good, right, and just; just think about the second world war........

Yes, this is 100% exactly the entire plot of Star Wars. There is no other alternative.

No. After Alderaan was destroyed by the first death star (and despayre too, if U count the EU/the Expanded Universe)

However the empire tried to destroy Yavin IV, Endor, and Chandrila (senator mon mothma's home-planet) and the planet Mon Calamari (home to the mon calamari aliens), as self defense, a retaliation to the rebels. They destroyed 2 planets-the planets alderaan and depsayre, to test out the first death star and keep the galaxy (not just the rebels, but ordinary civilians too) in line with fear of its power. After the destruction of the first death star, the second death star was never used, or even attempted to be used, in an offensive attack/strike on an innocent civilian planet.....

SilverWook said:

Missed the joke by a mile.

An Empire founded before there was even a Rebellion, and killed lots of people in the process of an orchestrated war to create it.

I know that already, they started the clone wars to get to power. That doesn't explain anything about what life was like for imperial citizens. They all seemed pretty happy, very happy, regardless of the unjust methods that their leader came to power with.

There are 2 types of dictatorships and dictators in this world, and here it goes

1-Enlightened Desposts/Benevolent Dictators/Rulers. There is no democracy and one guy has absolute power, but all in all, the citizens of his country are living a nice happy life.

2-Evil genocidal mass-murdering tyrannical harsh dictators and tyrants, and the degree of severity on these kinda dictators can vary.

Tyrphanax said:

I think the Rebels attacked the Death Star at Yavin out of self-defense, considering the Death Star was going to come and blow the moon up.

It's not like the Empire had anything to fear from some tiny starfighters against a giant space station. The Rebels just got lucky.

Yavin IV 4 was a military target. 

Father Skywalker said:

No. After Alderaan was destroyed by the first death star (and despayre too, if U count the EU/the Expanded Universe)

However the empire tried to destroy Yavin IV, Endor, and Chandrila (senator mon mothma's home-planet) and the planet Mon Calamari (home to the mon calamari aliens), as self defense, a retaliation to the rebels. They destroyed 2 planets-the planets alderaan and depsayre, to test out the first death star and keep the galaxy (not just the rebels, but ordinary civilians too) in line with fear of its power. After the destruction of the first death star, the second death star was never used, or even attempted to be used, in an offensive attack/strike on an innocent civilian planet.....

Surely though the DSII was never used because it was never finished... Why would the Empire build a Death Star (the name alone should show that the Empire aren't exactly understanding of those it rules over) just to have it fly around the galaxy on the off-chance of finding some capital ships to blast away? It's not the most manoeuvrable or subtle craft. Destroying planets, or at least having the ability to destroy planets, is all part of its purpose; it is a weapon of fear to keep systems from defying the oppression of the Empire. The fact that both Death Stars were defeated before they got a chance to be properly used (Alderaan excluded) doesn't mean that they were never going to be used!

The point of the rebels wanting to blow both Death Star's up isn't just one of self defence, but also of necessity in their crusade to defeat the Empire and bring freedom back to the galaxy.

Tyrphanax said:

Father Skywalker said:

SilverWook said:

Missed the joke by a mile.

An Empire founded before there was even a Rebellion, and killed lots of people in the process of an orchestrated war to create it.

I know that already, they started the clone wars to get to power. That doesn't explain anything about what life was like for imperial citizens. They all seemed pretty happy, very happy, regardless of the unjust methods that their leader came to power with.

Do you have any examples of how happy they were?

While democracy is the most ideal form of government, the lack of democracy, ie, a dictatorship, is not all that terribly and mythically evil, just some dictators and tyrants are......

Tattoine, everybody was walking around and living a normal life....

The same thing with Cloud City....

The same thing with Hoth....

The same thing with Endor-no Ewok genocides or massacres going on there.....