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What's your take on Emperor Palpatine being brought back for The Rise of Skywalker? — Page 4

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Too bad I don’t read comics, or I’d have to read Dark Empire just to get insight into TROS.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Palpatine’s line about all the Sith living in him made me think that all of the spirits of the Banite Sith, including Darth Bane himself, existed as a collective consciousness within Sidious.

While Legends was obviously rather contradictory at times, both the Bane trilogy and the Darth Plagueis novel seem to hint at it. Bane begins learning Essence Transfer in the last Bane book, and when his apprentice kills him, it is left ambiguous if Bane’s attempt to possess Darth Zannah failed, or the weird feeling Zannah had actually indicated he succeeded.

Palpatine also experiences a similar sensation when he kills Plagueis. Again, it is ambiguous as far as what that feeling is, but I think it is left to interpretation.

But if Palpatine was also Plagueis, his speech to Anakin about Plagueis the Wise would seem weirder in retrospect, since the hint of smugness when speaking of his master’s death would seem odd, considering his master actually lives on in him.

If I were to speculate, I would guess that the apprentice is unaware when they become a vessel for their master. At least initially. I don’t know. It’s rather confusing.

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“The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.”

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Hal 9000 said:

Too bad I don’t read comics, or I’d have to read Dark Empire just to get insight into TROS.

Don’t do it, it’s terrible.

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So is TROS.

Well done. I will disengage self-destruct initiative.

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Dark Empire is so much better than TROS. It is perfectly understandable why DE was always such a controversial story, but hey, at least it is aware that it is putting forward some preposterous ideas and it tries to make it work. And it does work for some audiences, doesn’t quite work for others. Not sure who TROS works for.

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I thought the first Dark Empire was awesome . Dark Empire 2 and Empires end were complete shite in my opinion.I could buy the Emperor coming back once, and I thought the reasoning in Dark Empire was handled a lot better than TROS .But then they kept on bringing him back and introducing more and more super weapons .Wich was the worse part of it for me . TROS took the worst parts of the Dark Empire series and ran with it.

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It’s also worth noting that Dark Empire came out long before the prequels introduced the whole Chosen One concept, so whatever narrative or thematic problems there may have been to resurrecting Palpatine, it didn’t contradict any pretense of Anakin’s cosmic purpose or balance of the Force as it pertains to the final fate of the Sith (whether the prequels should have introduced any of those complications by making Anakin a Chosen One in the first place is another rant).

The Rise of Skywalker has no such excuse.

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Personally I was intrigued to see the Emperor return after the first teaser. To see him achieve the power to cheat death. And the actual way he’s brought back is a really interesting concept.

I mean think about it, 30 years after his death and the fall of the Empire, a group of Sith cultists, hidden on an uncharted planet, finally manage to perform a twisted dark side ritual that allows him to come back and possess a decaying body.

He wakes up to find a raging war between two new factions. The First Order see him as a threat to their power, and the Resistance obviously can’t allow him to return…

To me the thing that totally ruined his return is that they decided to connect him to Snoke, Kylo and the First Order, the idea that he’s “been out there all this time, pulling the strings”. It hurts the ending of RotJ because it implies Palpatine immediately went into concocting a plan to override our heroes’ victory. He’s the one that turns Ben to the dark side, he’s the one that creates the First Order, and our heroes are completely oblivious to the fact Palpatine’s behind it all!

Most people point to the fact he wasn’t set up at all in the first two films, but the truth is he didn’t need to. If Snoke had a completely separate story to the cultists on Exegol, making him the main perpetrator of everything that transpired after the fall of the Empire. If Palpatine had been completely out of the picture for 30 years, his return wouldn’t actually need previous setup. It would have elevated the stakes as a third faction rises from the shadows. Instead as it stands now, it only undermines the previous two films, since Snoke stood as the big bad evil perpetrating everything. His eerie mystery in TFA, his power and manipulation in TLJ. The man who built the First Order, who turned Ben to the dark side, who orders the destruction of the New Republic, reduced to a mere puppet with no agency in the story at all.

And then there’s “Rey Palpatine”, which I don’t even need to get into, ugh.

The point is Palpatine should’ve been treated as a new threat, instead of bending (and breaking) the story to insert him into everything that transpired in the previous films.

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It would’ve been interesting if the cultists had used Snoke’s body as the final piece needed to bring back Palpatine, it would’ve directly tied his return as a result from the events in the last movie. Pryde could’ve sent it, secretly conspiring for Palpatine to take over. Imagine Kylo finding the corpse of his former Master, tied to a machine and speaking in the voice of the Emperor. And then once he absorbs the power of the dyad he morphs into Ian McDiarmid, similar to his transformation in RotS.

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I feel the opposite way, Burbin. I think that Palpatine was a bad villain for TROS precisely because he came completely out of nowhere. Removing all connections to Snoke and the First Order would only make it seem more random.

It’s like if the Empire were the main villains of ANH and ESB, and then they were sidelined in ROTJ by the Yuuzhan Vong coming out of nowhere. It would be completely nonsensical.

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After Shmi dies, Anakin is understandably upset and frustrated, and he tells Padme he will one day become so powerful, he will even be able to stop those he loves from dying. He then has visions of Padme dying. This is another event Palpatine uses to manipulate Anakin, but I don’t think his offer is entirely empty. There is a glint in Palpatine’s eye as he mentions how Plagueis could save others from dying, but not himself. I think Palpatine returning fits right in with his quote about the the Dark Side being a pathway to abilities some consider to be unnatural.

On a side note, when trying to speak with Vader, Kylo says he will finish what Anakin started. I don’t think he had this in mind, but in a way he was able to do what his grandfather couldn’t. He did save the one he loved from dying.