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I loved the prequels so the stuff I didn't like would be the shorter list.

As zombie said, a lot of plot points set up for resolution in ROTS aren't really dealt with. The Sifo Dyas thing, vanishing/immortal Jedi and probably a few others. The theory is that Lucas was already overburdened with plot points and stuff so he just left those things out. I see no reason to doubt that either but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

One thing I did like was the spectacle and the scope of the visuals, particularly in Episode I. I've always loved the podrace, the arrival on Coruscant, all of Theed and Naboo, etc. Amazing visuals, imo.

One thing I dug was the visual transformation that took place over the series of the films. The production design, costumes, etc, all slowly transitioned over from more organic, individualized, hand-crafted types of production to the more machined, pre-fab type of look.

All I really want is each film as it was originally seen and heard in theaters; no fixes, corrections, "improvements" or modifications necessary.

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thecolorsblend said:

 One thing I dug was the visual transformation that took place over the series of the films. The production design, costumes, etc, all slowly transitioned over from more organic, individualized, hand-crafted types of production to the more machined, pre-fab type of look.

 Agreed.  One of my favorite thing about the prequels was watching the transformation of a free Republic to the Empire, like the design of the ships, etc. 

I also would like to say that I wish Anakin wasn't so kid-likev in Episode I.  I think a better representation of him would have been similar to Boba Fett in Episode II, much more serious. 

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I love all 6 films. And as far as The Phantom Menace goes, I enjoyed it like how I also enjoyed the Ice Age trilogy. Hayden did have a few hit and misses but he was still good and also, you got to understand the hero's journey to the dark side (what he fears and what he's lost, it ain't easy for anyone). And I did like Jar-Jar (I know some if not most people here hate him). So to sum it up, the prequels were fine.

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bkev said:


Also, if you love the Phantom Menace score, I implore you to check out tlbauerle's work on Symphony for a Saga. Best representation of the quality the music has, I think.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check it out!

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I love that Watto is getting a shout out. I used to have "A Watto Fan Site" and still have most all of his collectibles. He's great.

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ThiefCobbler4ever said:

And as far as The Phantom Menace goes, I enjoyed it like how I also enjoyed the Ice Age trilogy.

Yes, when you look at all the...

...wait, what?

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

And I did like Jar-Jar (I know some if not most people here hate him).

Not just here...

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alphabetty spaghetti said:

FU*K ALL.

You forgot to capitalize the "*"

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Ok, I'll bite.  I liked:

From TPM: Maul (needed a bigger part though, and speaking).  Also liked qui-gon and obi-wan although their roles should have been reversed IMO.  I liked the destroyer droids and enjoyed Ian Mcdirmids performance as senator palpatine/sidious, also enjoyed the intro to coruscant. thats it.

AOTC:  enjoyed Christopher Lee's scenes as count dooku(hate the name).  Loved Kamino and the mystery of the clone facilities. thats it.

ROTS:  again, enjoyed Christopher Lee's scenes, the duel at the beginning.  i liked the scene where anakin and padme are staring out into coruscant from the jedi temple and her apt. respectively, right before he decides to take matters into his own hands to help palpatine.  liked the yoda vs sidious duel, but hate the way it ended. thats it.

 

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TV's Frink said:

alphabetty spaghetti said:

FU*K ALL.

You forgot to capitalize the "*"

 Forgive me please, but its the fact that someone actually likes those dumbass movies , its because of those FU*KING movies the original trilogy is in such a sad GCI shitfest state .

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Seriously , episode 1 tals about annakin being a virgin birth or something like that . W.T.F. Also what about YIPPEEE, OOOPS .
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You forgot to capitalize the "*" again.

Also, if you hate everything about these movies, then don't post in this thread.

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TV's Frink said:

ThiefCobbler4ever said:

And as far as The Phantom Menace goes, I enjoyed it like how I also enjoyed the Ice Age trilogy.

Yes, when you look at all the...

...wait, what?

 

*spit-take*

 

;-)

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TMBTM said:

 

I'd say the prequels are great... on paper. It just do not work on screen the way all the cool elements were put together.

 

Sorry I really wanted to be more positive, but you know...

I think I agree with this.  Generally, I think the overall story of the Sith infiltration the Senate and plotting a huge galactic conflict with warring sides (each secretly led by the Sith) with the Jedi trapped in the middle is a very cool idea.  The execution of these ideas in the movie was rather poor.

The novels weren't that bad if I was able to imagine the acting instead of watching it on the screen.  And the bridge novels between the prequels weren't too bad either. 

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Hoth-Nudist said:

From TPM: Maul (needed a bigger part though, and speaking).   

 So in fact, you didn't like Darth Maul at all?

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TV's Frink said:

You forgot to capitalize the "*" again.

Also, if you hate everything about these movies, then don't post in this thread.

What's this?  Frink is telling someone else to stay on topic?

*head asplode*

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What does Abe Lincoln have to do with the prequels? DARN YOU FRINK, STOP GOING OFF TOPIC!! :P

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Sorry, I keep forgetting this is a PT thread.

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Even I get elected sometimes; do you think I had a choice?

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1.  You're all nuts.

B. Has the general approval of the PT gone up or down over time here at OT.com?  On the one hand, it seems to me that it has gone up, as people who saw (and liked) the PT as kids (and maybe before they saw the OT) are starting to join this board in higher numbers.  On the other hand, the novelty has worn off for many and some of those people aren't as positive as they used to be.  But on the other hand, some members haven't watched them in a long time now, and nostalgia is starting to set in and they don't remember how terrible these movies truly are.  Finally, on the other hand... oops... looks like I'm out of hands.

3. There are a few things that I do like, and I will be forced to honestly dump them here below... but that doesn't mean that the PT doesn't suck.  Perhaps it's akin to liking the cherries in a Cherry and Poop pie.  I really like cherries...  but the poop, man!  The POOP!

3.A. Also, I've posted this before, but let me see if I can say it better this time:  I think the prequels got better with each release (2 was better than 1, 3 was better than 2) but not enough better, so that each release was a bigger failure.  Here's my analogy.  You have a goal to save $100 dollars a month during September, October and November so you can spend $300 on Christmas presents.  In September you actually go in debt $80 instead of saving anything.  That sucks big time!  But you still have 2 months left and now you just have to save $380 total, $190 each in the months of October and November.  So, no big deal, right?  Well, October comes and goes, and you break even.  That's a lot better!  But still, you didn't come anywhere close to saving your $190 for the month, meaning you now have to save $380 in November to be successful.  Maybe you can do this!  If you can, everything will work out fine!  Let's hope, and let's try to do it!  Yeah!  We are totally jazzed for this!  Well, in the end you save $50 in November.  Had you done this all three months, you still would have fallen short of your goal of saving $300, but at least you'd have $150, and that would be something!  But no... you are still $30 in debt.  So which month was the greatest failure?  Each month, you spent less and saved more, so you did better as time went on... but compared to where you needed to be to accomplish your goal, you actually did worse. September came in at $180 under goal.  October came in at $190 under goal.  November, your best month because you saved $50, came in at $330 under goal!

4.d.  (these are presented as "compliment, but" pairs, just to ensure no one can feel too postivie about my comments)  ;)

I. Senator Palpatine was good.  (Darth Sidious was not).  The idea of working both sides of the "free" galaxy against each other for the purpose of establishing an Empire was done quite well.  At least, the idea behind it.

II. Some of the ship designs.  I'm thinking that the half TIE/half AotC ships were a good look, and showed the start of the Empire design infiltrating the Republic.  However, a lot of the rest of the ships looked like Star Wars future, not Star Wars past.

III. Duel of the Fates was exciting as choreography, and the emotional tie to the end of the movie.  It however should have been the example of Jedi lightsabre prowess... not the tip of the iceburg of whirling, twirling, CG morphing, tasmanian turbine action found in later prequels.  I still prefer the fights in ESB and RotJ.

IIII. Ewan MacGregor was generally pretty good.  He had some bad material to work with, but I think he really did with it what he could.  It's not his fault that he had to go to Dexter's 50's Diner or say things like, "Your Clones are Most Impressive"

V. It really did push forward the tech that is the future of filmmaking.  We'll probably (or already are) looking back at the CG sets and characters of the PT and think they look pretty crap... but there's no denying that we'd be 5 or 7 years further back in this tech if these movies hadn't been made.  Whether you like it or not, that tech is the future.  And the sooner it gets past its growing pains, the better for all.

VI. I too liked the Arena scene in AotC.  Until jive-talkin' yoda and his ballerina twirling Jedi show up.  But then once the action heads for the hills, I think that bit is pretty good too.  At least... my memory tells me it is.

VII. I thought the look of the ships and the action was back to OT levels by the time RotS rolled around.  The visuals started to carry a little more weight, and space looked better, if that makes any sense.  Unfortunately, there's truly only about 30 seconds of good space battle in RotS... but what's there is pretty good.  Sadly, it serves more as a "what could have been moment" than a "good moment" but what can you do?

VIII. It was interesting to see some other locales and planets.  Naboo was nice to look at it.  After the OT did "Forest Planet, Jungle Planet, Ice Planet, Cloud Planet, and Desert Planet" it left a lot of people thinking, "What's left?!"  But of course, "Tuscany Planet, City Planet, Volcano Planet, 50's Diner Planet, Stormy Oil Rig Planet, and Honey We Shrunk the Kids and put them in a Day Glow Mushroom Kingdom Planet" were yet to come.  If only that darn, out of the way, "furthest from the bright center of the galaxy" planet didn't keep coming up so often.

IX. The Podrace is 90% good.  The announcers and the silliness bring it down, but the action isn't bad.  Jake Lloyd isn't even annoying in this scene!

And that's about it.  I never cared for Qui-Gonn, Shmi, or Watto the way a lot of you do.  I have no fondness for TPM, because it has the worst Anakin (see my savings example in point 3.A above), the most Jar-Jar, probably the worst Yoda (though it's a close three way tie) the most poop jokes, and the most ridiculous plot... and I could go on.  It did use the most physical sets and the most models, so it does have a slightly better look in those regards, but that's a small cherry in a Poop Pie.

Ω. THE END.

 

 

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xhonzi said:

VI. I too liked the Arena scene in AotC.  Until jive-talkin' yoda and his ballerina twirling Jedi show up.  But then once the action heads for the hills, I think that bit is pretty good too.  At least... my memory tells me it is.

Oh stewardess, Mace speaks jive...

Also, what didn't you like about Qui-Gon?  Even many (most?) PT-haters admit that he was pretty good.  Is it just a Ric Olie thing?  You know, where you are rendered insecure by his handsomeness?

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TV's Frink said:

xhonzi said:

I don't like Qui-Gonn.  Or is it Qui-Gon?  You know what?  I just don't care.

 

Also, what didn't you like about Qui-Gon?  Even many (most?) PT-haters admit that he was pretty good.  Is it just a Ric Olie thing?  You know, where you are rendered insecure by his handsomeness?

Eh... I'm not exactly sure.  It's not so much that I liked him except for the parts that I didn't.  It's more that I just didn't care for him in the first place.  Maybe it has something to do with the monkish way all Jedi were presented, maybe it was that he filled the role that I thought Obi-Wan should have had in that first movie...  maybe he just didn't egage me.  I like Liam Neeson... he just seems really bland in TPM to me.  Maybe because he mostly "gets" to play off of Jar-Jar and lil Annie.  Maybe because he gets saddles with the midichlorians explanation.  Maybe because, like RedLetterMedia says, HE is actually the Phantom Meance.

Actually, I'll just go back to: I find in him nothing to like.  Ergo: I do not like him, and I can't explain it further than that.  THE END.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

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"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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xhonzi said:

Actually, I'll just go back to: I find in him nothing to like.  Ergo: I do not like him, and I can't explain it further than that.  THE END.

That wasn't much of an ending. :-(