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What separates the "Ages" of comic books and where does DC make the transition from Earth-Two to Earth-One? *Comic aficionados needed*

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I have just recently become interested in the world of comic book superheroes (more specifically, the DC Multiverse and all the baggage that comes with it). To help get acquainted with the DC heroes, I've downloaded the complete series of Batman and Superman comics from their core ongoing series (yes, I realize there's scads of spin-offs, one-shots, and limited series, but I'm sticking with the basics as a starter). My friend Erik, who is a total comic junkie, says that superhero comics are divided into 4 "Ages". The boundaries for those ages that he gave were:

 

Golden Age: Began with Action Comics #1 (June 1938)

Silver Age: Began with Showcase #4 (October 1956)

Bronze Age: Began with Amazing Spider-Man #122 (July 1973)

Modern Age: Began with Crisis on Infinite Earths #12 (March 1986)

 

What exactly does this mean? What differentiates one age from another? Also, I've read up about how the DC authorities devised the Multiverse system in an attempt to keep the core superheroes young, and the deal with moving the "main" continuity from Earth-Two to Earth-One during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. But, I'm not entirely sure when this big shift is supposed to take place as I read the Batman and Superman comics. At what point do I suddenly clear my mind of what happened prior and begin with a new slate? Will they announce it in the comics, or will I need to know ahead of time?

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Well... I'll try and simplify it.  Basically, these are referring to (if I understand correctly) when different "eras" of comics began.  Different styles in storytelling, entire rewrites of characters (DC), and different art styles.  The way I see it, the bridge between the golden and silver ages is the easiest: by the end of the Golden Age, thanks to many critics ("the seduction of the innocent"), comics were toned down and frowned upon.  Something caused a great revival, thus the Silver Age.  As for the modern age, the DC Crisis began that - it rewrote their entire universe.

I hope I've helped, and am not full of misinformation.

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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DC comics continuity confuses me to no end.

 

First they killed off supergirl.  Then brought her back to life and pretend somehow it never happened.

 

Kind of as bad as in marvel spider man and mary jane forget they were ever married and is erased from continuity.

 

Does Batman having a daughter with Catwoman fall into the earth2 continuity?

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I'm looking foward to finding out more about this myself, so I'm going to keep watching this thread.  I know probably about as much as has been said right now, and I'd like to find out more.  I expect someone like Darth Chaltab will be able to explain it more clearly than anyone else.

In the meantime, though, I have to ask:  What exactly are you worried about?  If you actually have specific dates as to when certain ages begin and end, why worry you'll miss the transition?  Just keep an eye on the dates of the comics you happen to be reading and then you'll most likely know when to start your clean slate or at least be aware that things might be different.

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I love the very early Superman and how the art is very clearly inspired by Alex Raymond's work on Flash Gordon.

The line art and the inking etc. Very much recall the newspaper comics By Harold Foster Like Prince Valiant and Tarzan, and the early Raymond work.

Siegel and Shuster.

Created an Icon. But The Fleischer studios took him one step further. And then many decades Later The immortal vision of the screenwriter of the godfather Mario Puzo with Richard Donner directing Christopher Reeve set in stone the look to come and changed the continuity forever.

Until they decided to retcon the comics and pretend that movie never happened and made a teen show called smallville, LOL. That had no ties to either continuity, until they started to pander to fans to get their ratings out of the toilet.

D.C. comics lost the rights to Superman except in international territories when a Judge decided the rights reverted back to the estates of the original creators. They will appeal. But because of this the people who now have the rights can shop the character to any studio, unless DC keeps the film rights exclusively which may be what happened. Still they get millions of dollars in royalties coming their way if the man of steel hits the silver screen. 

There is a possibility someday DC's publishing of superman ceases and the creators estates sell the rights to another comics publisher, there is also a cloud of doubt whether the new superman film will even come out in 2010 now that DC and warners no longer own the character.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Johnboy3434 said:

What differentiates one age from another? Also, I've read up about how the DC authorities devised the Multiverse system in an attempt to keep the core superheroes young, and the deal with moving the "main" continuity from Earth-Two to Earth-One during the 50s, 60s, and 70s. But, I'm not entirely sure when this big shift is supposed to take place as I read the Batman and Superman comics. At what point do I suddenly clear my mind of what happened prior and begin with a new slate? Will they announce it in the comics, or will I need to know ahead of time?

 

Okay, first of all you've got to understand a few things:

The various "Ages" are terms which were retroactively applied.  As was the whole "Earth-1/Earth-2" thing.  I doubt either term will ever pop up in the actual body of a story before the Crisis storyline.

Its really all a shill, because the bottom line is you don't need to care.  The whole Earth-1/Earth-2 thing happened because the writers at DC were geeks and they realized there were inconsistencies in their stories.  For some stupid reason comic authors have this idea that their universes must be one big, internally consistent tapestry, so they decided that--rather than just admitting they were goofs and finalizing a truth later (which would be the SMART thing)--they would come up with this convoluted "there's two Earths" theory and try to shoehorn everything into one or the other (for comparisons sake, it would be like trying to explain away Artoo-Detoo's powers of flight by claiming Attack of the Clones took place on Earth-2).  It's worth noting that no other type of writer thinks like a comic book writer (thank god!)

As for the whole "Ages" thing, there actually is some legitimacy to that.  The term refers both to the state of the industry financially and in general to sweeping periods of change in content and approaches.  There was a Superman article I read once that had a great breakdown, but I don't think its online anymore.

Basically, as far as superheroes were concerned, the gist was this:  Golden Age stories tended to have very straightforward, black and white morality.  The hero is right, the villain is an evil jerk who deserves to have a house fall on him, and no questions asked.  Starting with the silver age things got more complex--you could agree with the villain, and even if you didn't you could sometimes still question the hero's actions.  Things were becoming less back and white.  By the bronze age the trend had gone so far that sometimes black WAS white.

The bottom line is that the terminology is fun to know, but not at all essential to reading and enjoying the comics.

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Its really all a shill, because the bottom line is you don't need to care. The whole Earth-1/Earth-2 thing happened because the writers at DC were geeks and they realized there were inconsistencies in their stories. For some stupid reason comic authors have this idea that their universes must be one big, internally consistent tapestry, so they decided that--rather than just admitting they were goofs and finalizing a truth later (which would be the SMART thing)--they would come up with this convoluted "there's two Earths" theory and try to shoehorn everything into one or the other (for comparisons sake, it would be like trying to explain away Artoo-Detoo's powers of flight by claiming Attack of the Clones took place on Earth-2). It's worth noting that no other type of writer thinks like a comic book writer (thank god!)

Golden Age stories tended to have very straightforward, black and white morality. The hero is right, the villain is an evil jerk who deserves to have a house fall on him, and no questions asked.


Well, in their defense, Arthur C. Clarke was the same way with his 2001 series of novels. When he realized certain plot points simply didn't work in between novels, he simply said that each one took place in its own parallel universe. Which, if you ask me, completely defeats the purpose of making them a series in the first place. On the other end of the respectability spectrum are the Leprechaun films, otherwise known as the single most pointless string of films ever (I refuse to even call them a series). Like the 2001 novels, each Leprachaun film takes place in a universe all its own (you could make an argument that the 1, 2, and 4 exist in the same timeline, but there's nothing to indicate such a relationship), and it gets annoying as Hell after 6 films.

Oh, and does anybody else miss superhero stories like in the Golden Age? Why does everything have to be so complicated? What happened to the days when "this is the bad guy, watch him get his ass kicked" was a respectable form of story-telling? Now, everything has to be "gray" and "thought-provoking". Listen, you dick-faced philosopher-wannabes, an audience shouldn't have to flip a coin to decide which character to root for!

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Sorry about that.

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I actually agree on the Golden Age point. Writers today have forgotten that on a fundamental level, the appeal of a superhero is the power/wish-fulfillment fantasy.

I mean, when I read a superhero, yeah I enjoy the story and all... but the thing that sticks with me at the end is "man, wouldn't it be cool if I had this guy's power?"

I think stuff like this is why manga such as Dragonball Z are so popular--many of them are fairly Golden Age or early Silver Age in terms of morals. There may be inner conflicts but you usually still know who to root for.

And their powers are still cool, too.

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I'm not exactly a comic book history buff, but I can give you a basic overview.

 

The Golden Age is what they call the years between 1938 (when Superman first appeared) and the late 1940s or early 50s. Stories in that era carry a lot of morally questionable content (Superman smashes up slums to get the land lord to build better homes; Batman shoots people dead with guns) and wartime propaganda. (This is where we get classics like "Superman Says You Can Slap a Jap!") Other than Superman, most heroes were powered by magic.

The Silver Age is from the mid 1950s to the 1970s; it's characterized by science fiction stories and bright optimism. Even Batman was out doing crazy things all the time. It relaunched the Green Lantern and Flash into the form we know them as today, and also saw the birth of Spiderman, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and the frozen-in-ice rebirth of Captain America. Marvel first started making superheroes unique and reasonably realistic people in the middle of the silver age, an approach that DC quickly emulated. Unfortunately it was also the era of the Comics Code Authority, which had a ridiculous amount of regulations to comic content. Jack Thompson would salivate at the prospect of putting something similar on video game content.

The Bronze Age began in the 1970s and is sort of a neo-golden age with better art. A lot of the innovations of the Silver Age remain, but the stories got a lot more serious, especially Batman. He stopped going in to space and Robin showed up a lot less. Batman: The Animated Series is a great example of Bronze-Age storytelling. The art was also more realistic then, because guys like Jim Aparo and George Perez were at the height of their careers.


The "Modern Age" began in 1985 when DC rebooted its continuity with 'Crisis On Infinte Earths', which was basically a cosmic retcon that let them start over. In the new world, Superman no longer had powers as a kid, Lex Luthor was a business man, etc. Marvel and DC also got a lot darker, and the Comics Code Authority became basically irrelevant. Also, 1986, DC published what are largely considered two of the masterworks of the medium, Dark Knight Returns and The Watchmen. Modern Age stories also have much cleaner and more realistic coloring thanks to computer image manipulation.

 

And that's everything, but that's just the gist of it.

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m not exactly a comic book history buff, but I can give you a basic overview.

 

The Golden Age is what they call the years between 1938 (when Superman first appeared) and the late 1940s or early 50s. Stories in that era carry a lot of morally questionable content (Superman smashes up slums to get the land lord to build better homes; Batman shoots people dead with guns) and wartime propaganda. (This is where we get classics like "Superman Says You Can Slap a Jap!") Other than Superman, most heroes were powered by magic.

The Silver Age is from the mid 1950s to the 1970s; it's characterized by science fiction stories and bright optimism. Even Batman was out doing crazy things all the time. It relaunched the Green Lantern and Flash into the form we know them as today, and also saw the birth of Spiderman, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, and the frozen-in-ice rebirth of Captain America. Marvel first started making superheroes unique and reasonably realistic people in the middle of the silver age, an approach that DC quickly emulated. Unfortunately it was also the era of the Comics Code Authority, which had a ridiculous amount of regulations to comic content. Jack Thompson would salivate at the prospect of putting something similar on video game content.

The Bronze Age began in the 1970s and is sort of a neo-golden age with better art. A lot of the innovations of the Silver Age remain, but the stories got a lot more serious, especially Batman. He stopped going in to space and Robin showed up a lot less. Batman: The Animated Series is a great example of Bronze-Age storytelling. The art was also more realistic then, because guys like Jim Aparo and George Perez were at the height of their careers.


The "Modern Age" began in 1985 when DC rebooted its continuity with 'Crisis On Infinte Earths', which was basically a cosmic retcon that let them start over. In the new world, Superman no longer had powers as a kid, Lex Luthor was a business man, etc. Marvel and DC also got a lot darker, and the Comics Code Authority became basically irrelevant. Also, 1986, DC published what are largely considered two of the masterworks of the medium, Dark Knight Returns and The Watchmen. Modern Age stories also have much cleaner and more realistic coloring thanks to computer image manipulation.

And that's everything, but that's just the gist of it.

As for Earth-1 and Earth-2, Everything before 1955 is set on Earth 2, everything between 1955 and 1985 is set on Earth-1.

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