What is going on at lucasfilm cancelled un canceling cancelled Star Wars films and announced new Star Wars films. lucasfilm is exploding its not in a good place. š¦
We donāt know for certain, but yes, I get the impression that things arenāt running smoothly behind-the-scenes. Weāll see what happens, though.
But we canāt turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.
For starters, theyāve been way too trigger happy to announce new projects and build up hype.
But lets look at every production issue theyāve had since 2013: (and if Iām wrong someone correct me please)
Michael Arndt leaves Episode VII, Rogue One has major reshoots and it seems to have had its entire third act rewritten, Solo sequels abandoned, rumored Josh Trank Boba Fett film abandoned (and any potential Boba films get cancelled with Soloās reception), Kenobi film abandoned after Soloās reception, Zach Snyder departs a Star Wars project, the two GoT guys were supposed to make a Star Wars project at one point, Colin Trevorrow leaves Episode IX, Kevin Feigeās film canned, Rogue Squadron from Patty Jenkins canned, Lindelof out of new Star Wars project, and last but not least, Rian Johnsonās trilogy may never happen.
Iād say this is normal studio politics and business dealings going south, and, because of the internet and obsessive fan culture, weāve been let in on a lot of the drama, but it still feels like problems have occurred more likely than they should.
Iāve heard some say that Kennedy is a good producer, but not good at running a whole studio. A part of me also feels like this is what happens when you try to treat Star Wars too similarly to something like Marvel.
Either way, I hope this is just a way of weeding out unnecessary projects, and giving more attention to the ones that do make progress, hopefully making the films be the best they can be.
Move along, move along.
I like that summary, of_Kaiburr_and_Whills, I think JD Dillard and Matt Owens were also making a SW film at one point, Kevin Feige too?
I wish Lucasfilm wouldnāt announce the films until they are greenlit, the script is done, been given the okay, and they are ready for production. It is the hope and anticipation that kills you! š
We are told by the more reliable and experienced movie people that these things happen all the time in the industry. There were lots of cancellations for live action TV projects when George was back in charge in the mid to late 2000ās. Covid and timing likely factored into Kenobi going from a film to series?
I still donāt understand why Rangers Of The Republic series couldnāt be retooled and reworked without the Cara Dune character, it was just too an appealing a series to me. Or is the Lando series still a possibility to make it to air?
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If Lucasfilm do announce the rumored 3 new Star Wars films at Celebration, would anyone be that excited until they entered the production phase? Given the chances of them being cancelled in the future, like other projects have?
after the sequels they still dont know what to do with star wars they donāt have a direction that is why there are no more movies only TV shows
I think it at least partially reflects the fact that there is a general lack of direction because the initial ālong term planā didnāt pan out. My guess is that back around 2014/2015, Disney saw the Sequel Trilogy as a means to reboot Star Wars for a new generation and pave the way for endless stories to come. This may seem paradoxical, since The Force Awakens was obviously meant to appeal to OT fans, and early plans for āspin-offā movies all revolved around OT story-lines or characters. But evidence of a broader, long term move towards a ārebootedā version of Star Wars is apparent in the fact that Disney designed their expensive Star Wars theme parks around Sequel Trilogy elements and iconography, instead of doing the obvious thing like creating a real life Mos Eisley Cantina that charges like $49.99 for a space cocktail. They were betting that emphasis on the Sequels would pay off in the long term, as a new generation fell in love with the new rebooted form of Star Wars, paving the way for endless new stories for years to come.
Butā¦ it seems this just didnāt work out. After the strong performance of The Force Awakens, Disney saw diminishing box office returns and developed the perception (whether true or not, and amplified by the most prolific posters on the Internet) that Star Wars fans were bitterly divided. When the Solo spin-off movie resulted in a net loss, they perhaps interpreted this as confirmation of their perceptions of the fan base. (Also Episode 9 was just ridiculous.)
I think this left Lucasfilm/Disney in a position where they are extremely hesitant and undecided about the future direction of Star Wars. There seems to be this unspoken acknowledgement that they should steer clear of the Sequel Trilogy time period for the time being. Contrast this to back in the late 2000s when, despite vocal criticism of the Prequels, George Lucas didnāt care and just created more and more content set in the Prequel Trilogy era. Disney has opted to do the opposite and pursue the safer (from their perspective) route of mining nostalgia with OT-centric stories.
A lot of valid points being made here. For a long time now the business model for a lot of movie studios has been the constant drip feed of ācontentā. We used to get movies every 2-3 years and now they want 2-3 movies every year. It nearly went this way with Star Wars and the āstoriesā spin-offs. Until it didnāt. Meanwhile the format transition into TV became a thing with the Disney monolith. So as a result youāre left with a bunch of studio suits who think they if interest wanes, even for just a second, their money will stop coming in.
But how to keep interest going? Well you can just keep announcing projects. Keep up the brand hype, keep those customer endorphins flowing. Donāt touch that dial, we have this and then this and this! Problem is behind the scenes a major studio isnāt a place artists and unsuspecting people dreaming of working on Star Wars can actually functionā¦ so youāve got a crash now with dozens of things being announced and dozens of people finding out what life is like behind the curtain. Just look at Solo, and before that Ant-Man. The people I feel bad for are the ones that canāt actually afford to quit when the job sucks, like the visual effects animators.
I noped out with the sequel films with the force awakens some of the ingredients were there but not assembled right it felt like a knock off of Star Wars. some of the writing of the characters and Iām sorry I hated kylo ren he was a poor villain or conflict character or whatever he was supposed to be in that film. The only decent Star Wars they did was rogue one. Iām not giving solo the time of day it seems like itās kinda of a mess. š¦
The damage done by the sequel trilogy has made them hesitant to do anything. The only direction they can go is backwards or so far in the future that there is no connectivity to the sequels.
Iād much rather them continue the show route, even though they have been hit or miss, they have a much better batting average than their movies. Only decent one is Rogue One, the rest are better left behind.
If they go forward with something Rey or any sequel trilogy related character movies, theyāll most likely bomb or barely make them back the money they spend on it. Didnāt we see decline in revenue as each movie came out? That decline would only continue if they moved forward with the sequel timeline.
Theyāve mostly avoided the sequel trilogy since, and even though the Mandoverse seems to be moving in the direction of possibly connecting to the sequels, weāll have to wait and see. If they decide to connect Mandoverse to the Sequels, itāll only sink everything the Mandoverse has built.
Iāll only really be interested in the next movie if itās a significant departure or shift in direction from what theyād been doing. Basically, a āfar pastā or āfar futureā movie, like WitchDR said. If it turns out to be basically āEpisode X,ā though, then Iāll probably pass.
But we canāt turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.
Itās sad because i donāt think itās the fault of any of the actors these characters even in the last jedi could have been great if written right and also didnāt drop plot lines like the knights of ren. also solo could have been great if it didnāt add things that turned it into a parody the lando robot romance which was never hinted at in empire or jedi or the eu just that he was a smooth talker and other odd decisions like maul which I know he came back in the clone wars but his addition in the end felt like fan service and out of place. the whole film had problems. Rogue one had problems but they were very small in comparison to the other four films it was the closest film that came to og Star Wars despite the remaining problems the film had.
I definitely agree that Disney believes the sequel trilogy to be a failure, but I donāt think itās 100% the truth. Yes, each of the sequel trilogy movies made progressively less money at the box office, but all of them made over 1 Billion dollars, 7 made 2 Billion, 8 made 1.3, and 9 made just over 1 billion. And if weāre talking about critical reception most everyone liked Force Awakens, those that dislike it are 100% in the minority, Last Jedi had a very mixed reception, but to say that most people hated it I think is a slight exaggeration. Tons of people hated the movie, but thereās also a sizeable amount of the fandom that loved the movie, and critics loved it as well. Itās only really Rise that almost everybody disliked. What Iām trying to say is that despite the perception that the sequel trilogy was a complete failure thatās not actually true, if weāre going to take it as a whole Iād say that reception is actually really mixed on the sequels. In fact, the current reception of the sequels is still much better than the reception that the prequels got at the time. Whatās really driving the perception that the sequel trilogy was a failure is that Disney is refusing to do anything with the characters or time period of the sequels. People hated the prequel trilogy but Lucas pitched The Clone Wars and the show eventually became amazing, and the perception of the prequels improved. What I think Star Wars really needs is someone who isnāt afraid of doing things with the sequel trilogyās characters or timeline. I think itās mostly that they need new leadership as itās clear that Kathleen Kennedy isnāt really cutting it as the lead on Star Wars. Outside of The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Mandalorian, and Arguably Last Jedi, everything else has either not gotten good critical reception, or been successful financially. Obi-Wan and Bobba Fet are critical failures despite getting excellent viewership, and their best stuff is The Mandalorian which is declining in popularity, and Andor which despite being acclaimed by most of its watched just didnāt get a big enough audience, I donāt think doing another sequel thing would hurt. Maybe during the Star Wars celebration when they announce the 3 movies they have in development something will actually happen, but they need new leadership I think
Rian Johnsonās trilogy looks like the only thing that was going to do something completely untethered from the main saga and wouldāve probably avoided fan service as well, but such a project seems to be quietly shelved.
Iāve read so many comments online lamenting how the Sequels ruined Star Wars and all that. This is kind of funny to me, because Iām like, yeah welcome to the club. I donāt like the Sequels either but from my perspective, Star Wars was pretty much irrevocably damaged in 1999. Truthfully, at this point Star Wars is like 90% crap, with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back really standing out as the only truly great movies. But despite this, every now and then a small miracle occurs and we get something like Andor, which apparently was written by people from a different Universe where entertainment companies actually give a shit about story and writing. I still canāt believe that show is even real.
Star Wars was pretty much irrevocably damaged in 1999.
This is true. But people have short term memories when it comes to being fed the latest pop culture thing, so that is why weāre now facing the current state of things.
Would have loved Rianās trilogy, and the old republic trilogy. Maybe even Rogue Squadron if Patty was able to prove the debacle that was Wonder Woman 84 wouldnāt be repeated. Beautifully shot movie, the script was kind of all over the place.
The problem is you are only as good as your last movie. If it flops Lucasfilm isnāt going to give you a shot at a Star Wars film. If it is controversial they will find a way to not move forward.
Theyāve diluted it all too much now, so only something big will be good enough. You canāt really get back up the hype they had for an unknown cast in a new movie. So youāre left in a state where only a Rogue Squadron or an Obi-wan is enough. At least not for a long time.
Iāve read so many comments online lamenting how the Sequels ruined Star Wars and all that. This is kind of funny to me, because Iām like, yeah welcome to the club. I donāt like the Sequels either but from my perspective, Star Wars was pretty much irrevocably damaged in 1999. Truthfully, at this point Star Wars is like 90% crap, with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back really standing out as the only truly great movies. But despite this, every now and then a small miracle occurs and we get something like Andor, which apparently was written by people from a different Universe where entertainment companies actually give a shit about story and writing. I still canāt believe that show is even real.
Pretty much my perspective, too.
I do receive some small pleasure that the supercilious PT/EU fanboys now get to experience what we OOT fans have had to feel since at least 2005.
āThe Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolutionā¦ There can be only one permanent revolution ā a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.ā
ā Leo Tolstoy
Theyāve cancelled a bunch of stuff and announced more new stuff. That could be cancelled. I wonder if itās all just a big scam going on behind the scenesā¦
