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What is a big fat ass dinosaur doing in my ANH?

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Let me vent a little bit please. Normally I don't complain too much, but everybody does it here, there and everywhere and I wanna do some petty bickering too! =D

WHY IS A BIG FAT ASS SAUROSPOD DINOSAUR OR GIRAFFEDUCK/FAILED ILM CREATURE BLOCKING THE ENTIRE FUCKIN' SCREEN FOR MORE THAN 0,000000001 SECOND AT MOS EISLEY SPACESPORT? Now that's what I call villainy and scum! What's the point? Did George Lucas just zoom on a miserable dinosaur's ass to piss off star wars fans? Who with a right mind swallows this fuckin' tripe haha?

BTW dinosaurs in the star wars universe. A long time ago is a long time ago, but FUCKIN' DINOSAURS. What's in store for us next in the newer special editions? Darth vader isn't really a human being, but actually a big fuckin' T-rex? NO, I AM YOUR DINO-DAD!

From all the changes in the original trilogy this one actually bothers me most haha.

Just release the OOT on dvd with better quality already, mister. How difficult can it be.

Anyone have a normal explanation for why this 'thing' is there?
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That was one of the more embarrassing additions to the film. Even back when I liked the SEs I never understood why we wanted a great big zoom of a digital creature's skin for three seconds.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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That was one of the more embarrassing additions to the film. Even back when I liked the SEs I never understood why we wanted a great big zoom of a digital creature's skin for three seconds


Only three seconds? It felt like forever! Not only that, when Obi-wans doing his little magic shit jedi mind trick on some troopers Lucas actually shoves the motherfuckin' dino for another glorious encore into the background...dragging his ass behind him like he was Eddy Murphy playing Jabba the hutt.











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I don't mind the principle of it. Originally it was an astromech droid that did a foreground cross but Lucas replaced with something he felt more lively an interesting, a giant Ronto creature--because the scale of the creature is so much bigger than a droid, the timing of the foreground cross was destroyed and the creature blocks the screen for about a second and a half. This, however, i kind of like--it gives the shot a documentary-like realism, as if some beast just happened to be walking by as the shot was going on and obscures the action. For me, its really the bad CGI quality that bugs me--the ronto's generally held up in wideshot as they are seen in every other instance, populating the background, but in extreme foreground closeup, the texture and resolution just dont look real. As for dinasaurs--dewbacks were always there from the beginning, so dinasour-like beasts were always a background part of the alien universe. Its really with the SE and PT that Lucas made them more visible, and i am thinking that it is only because there technologically was no way to portray them as such in 1977.

Interestingly, the Ronto's are indeed evolved from dinasaurs--ILM took the brontosaurus CG model from Jurassic Park and turned it into the ronto, and then the gallimimus became the "scurriers" seen in the opening entrance shot.
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As for dinasaurs--dewbacks were always there from the beginning, so dinasour-like beasts were always a background part of the alien universe


Very true, but they were always derivative from the species. they borrowed certain dinosaur-like elements to create their own original creatures.
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I felt the original Dewbacks were always much more alien looking than dinosaur like, I especially liked they furry texture. Make them seem more real. However in the special editions the Rhontos are way too dinosaur like for my taste. Also The name Rhonto is taken from bronto, a shortened form of Brontosaurus so even the name is admiting it is a dinosaur knockoff.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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What are Ronto's used for besides cheap sight gags with Jawas? Is there a rock quarry on Tatooine?

Where were you in '77?

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You would think that for such tiny creatures as jawas that something so tall might not be the most practical form of transportaton.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Originally posted by: zombie84
For me, its really the bad CGI quality that bugs me--the ronto's generally held up in wideshot as they are seen in every other instance, populating the background, but in extreme foreground closeup, the texture and resolution just dont look real.


Exactly. I never had an issue with that droid filling the screen because I never noticed it as a problem. After having seen the movie a hundred times that droid had never stood out to me. It just seemed natural to the film and I was always thinking about Luke, Ben, and the droids. Now the zoom of digital creature flesh makes me think I'm suddenly watching a video game or who knows what. That's not merely a chaotic, foreground obstruction, with our mind's still dwelling on our heroes, it's the actual focus of that movie in that moment.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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i have no problems with the special editions as long as they are seen as an alternate version or cut of the movie, i do hate them because they have been used to bury the oot. whenever a theater or fan event want's to show the movies they can't show the originals , lucas has them blocked from doing so. I even heard he's as much as tracked down existing copies of the old cuts and had them destoryed or pulled out of circulation.

Film Libraries and renters can only loan out the '97 or '04 versions or they get Lucas attorney's after them.

as for the ronto the animation looks fairly rushed and does not stand up to similar stuff in the original JP. it's like something that did not make the cut of JP.

I remember articles years ago about indiana jones trilogy special editions lucas wanted to do. supposedly steven adamently said no, but he did redo e.t.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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And yet, after "fixing" E.T., he made both versions available simultaneously.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Oh well, that's what the original original star wars trilogy dvds are for! If only the quality was a little bit better, but it's still reasonably acceptable. But it hurts. Atleast no dumb dinosaur blocking important stuff, han solo tilting his head like he's groovy, jedi rocks song, full on wampa shots ( ice creature's name right?), Hayden something replacing old Ani...*shudder*!

Anyone else love the dark blueish color of the imperial star destroyers in ESB O-OT dvd? =p It was like this back in the theatres right?
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
i have no problems with the special editions as long as they are seen as an alternate version or cut of the movie, i do hate them because they have been used to bury the oot. whenever a theater or fan event want's to show the movies they can't show the originals , lucas has them blocked from doing so. I even heard he's as much as tracked down existing copies of the old cuts and had them destoryed or pulled out of circulation.

Film Libraries and renters can only loan out the '97 or '04 versions or they get Lucas attorney's after them.

as for the ronto the animation looks fairly rushed and does not stand up to similar stuff in the original JP. it's like something that did not make the cut of JP.

I remember articles years ago about indiana jones trilogy special editions lucas wanted to do. supposedly steven adamently said no, but he did redo e.t.


And this is where my problems with the SE's begin and end. I have NO problem with them being additional viewing options, much like the SE's of Close Encounters, The Abyss, Aliens, etc. But the fact that unlike directors such as Spielberg and Cameron who offer up their SE's as alternate versions while very much still embracing the films' original releases, Lucas has at every turn (other than last Sept.'s shit release of the LD rips) tried to stomp out the existence of the OOT. Hell, I remember '97 SO fondly and enjoyed the HELL out of the SE's when the theatrical release was going on. That whole time period was amazing for Star Wars fans! But sadly that has all been shit on a bit with LFL's statements that the OOT "no longer exists". I remember when I first heard that quote and my own "WTF?" feeling towards George for saying it. The disrespect for the original craftmanship of the Trilogy I grew up worshiping was staggering. I just find it so telling that a man who for years preached the importance of storytelling and mythology and all that jazz would become SO fixated on the technical aspects of his creation. And on a personal level it is so frustrating because I really looked up to Lucas growing up, reading books like Skywalking and old magazine interviews and watching the old vintage doc's, learning so much about the craft and art of STORYTELLING from this guy. You look at him now and it just seems like Aliens came down and kidnapped the real George and stuck a...........

Wait.... what were we talking about? Oh, dinosaurs. Oh..... yeah. Fuck that.

A long time ago in the faraway galaxy...

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Wait.... what were we talking about? Oh, dinosaurs. Oh..... yeah. Fuck that.


Haha! Good save.

But yeah, JackLucas, I agree entirely with you. I share the same sentiments. I think you're onto something. George Lucas was probably kidnapped by aliens.



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According to the "Men In Black" movie, George is an alien!

Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
According to the "Men In Black" movie, George is an alien!


Really?

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape