What if TFA is awful? — Page 9

Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 17-Oct-2015 12:49 AM
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CatBus said:

Ahh, the old "Disney must recoup its investment, therefore it will be good, QED" theory. The John Carter Corollary, as it's sometimes called, I believe. It could work.

The day it was announced that Disney acquired Star Wars I scooted my chair back a bit, turned off my monitor, interlocked my fingers and rested my head on my hand and had a very long thought about this. During the 40+ minutes of thinking about this I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again. That line of thought is far more realistic then "The ST is going to such because its not the Original or Thrawn trilogies"

Author: CatBus
Time: 17-Oct-2015 1:21 AM (Edited)
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Lord Haseo said:

I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again.

I reached the same conclusion, which is why my safe money is still squarely on "meh", 5/10, fairly disposable entertainment, far and away the best thing that's happened in the Star Wars universe in over a generation, and something I may still very well opt to skip entirely.

Making money is a given, even ROTS made money. Head and shoulders above the prequels is an incredibly low hurdle, Alien vs. Predator managed to clear that one and it blew. Disney bought a property that they could completely mishandle, still make money from it and improve the long-term reputation of the franchise. A deal like that doesn't come along very often.

When you can't lose, you don't have to take the sort of risks that you need to take in order to make something great.

Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 17-Oct-2015 11:14 PM
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CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again.

I reached the same conclusion, which is why my safe money is still squarely on "meh", 5/10, fairly disposable entertainment, far and away the best thing that's happened in the Star Wars universe in over a generation, and something I may still very well opt to skip entirely.

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description. And even a 6/10 is not enough in this day in age where anything that's not great is garbage in a lot of people's eyes. There's hardly any middle ground anymore.

Author: generalfrevious
Time: 17-Oct-2015 11:31 PM (Edited)
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Lord Haseo said:

CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

I came to the conclusion that seeing as how bad the prequels were no one who's in charge of Star Wars would let such a thing happen again.

I reached the same conclusion, which is why my safe money is still squarely on "meh", 5/10, fairly disposable entertainment, far and away the best thing that's happened in the Star Wars universe in over a generation, and something I may still very well opt to skip entirely.

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description. And even a 6/10 is not enough in this day in age where anything that's not great is garbage in a lot of people's eyes. There's hardly any middle ground anymore.

Like I said, the internet has ruined everything.

The quality of TFA will affect the quality of Eps. 8-9 just like TPM's badness dragged down AOTC and ROTS. You need a solid foundation to make a great trilogy.

Author: CatBus
Time: 17-Oct-2015 11:53 PM
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Lord Haseo said:

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description.

Mine goes up to 11.

Author: DuracellEnergizer
Time: 18-Oct-2015 12:02 AM (Edited)
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This is why I've adopted the F-to-A+ rating system. It's much less ambiguous/arbitrary than a number rating system.

Author: CatBus
Time: 18-Oct-2015 12:14 AM
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Actually I think a Garanimal-based system would be fairest. Llama movies are great if you're a pigeon viewer (i.e you like broad, slapstick farces best), but would be a terrible choice if you're a sturgeon (i.e. you like documentaries best). It would take a while to map out all the taste categories and overlaps, but I'm pretty sure Netflix secretly uses this system internally already. So I think TFA might get three lobsters and a whooping crane. Maybe if the writing is tight, it could net a badger. But I'm under no illusions that, badgers or no, there's any chance on earth it will be in armadillo territory like the OT.

Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 18-Oct-2015 10:08 AM
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CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description.

Mine goes up to 11.

I really hate odd numbers. Is 11 like an A+ or something?

Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 18-Oct-2015 10:15 AM
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DuracellEnergizer said:

This is why I've adopted the F-to-A+ rating system. It's much less ambiguous/arbitrary than a number rating system.

Well if we were to go by that TFA would need at least a C- to show the world that Star Wars can be half decent again.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 18-Oct-2015 10:16 AM
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Lord Haseo said:

CatBus said:

Lord Haseo said:

5/10 is mediocre verging on bad. 6/10 is more or less your description.

Mine goes up to 11.

I really hate odd numbers. Is 11 like an A+ or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 20-Oct-2015 5:19 PM
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So that new trailer....pretty good stuff....

Author: Darth Id
Time: 20-Oct-2015 5:34 PM
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Lord Haseo said:

So that new trailer....pretty good stuff....

How so?

(Or do the superfluous ellipses denote sarcasm?)

Author: SilverWook
Time: 20-Oct-2015 5:40 PM
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Trailer talk ought to be confined to the proper threads.

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Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 20-Oct-2015 5:53 PM
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SilverWook said:

Trailer talk ought to be confined to the proper threads.

You mean the spoiler thread? If so then I might as well walk on a mine field. Ain't no way I'm getting spoiled. And plus this had to do with the film.

Author: CatBus
Time: 20-Oct-2015 6:15 PM
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-to-be-directed-by-JJ-Abrams-NON-SPOILER-THREAD/topic/15121/

Author: SilverWook
Time: 20-Oct-2015 6:16 PM
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Catbus beat me to it. ;)

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Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 20-Oct-2015 7:11 PM
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CatBus said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-VII-to-be-directed-by-JJ-Abrams-NON-SPOILER-THREAD/topic/15121/

Thank you. For some reason I haven't noticed this thread in months...just the spoiler one.

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 20-Oct-2015 10:26 PM
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WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL

Author: generalfrevious
Time: 20-Oct-2015 11:02 PM
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TV's Frink said:

WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL

I thought it was good. Hope there's no trade negotiations in the final film though.

Author: SilverWook
Time: 20-Oct-2015 11:12 PM
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Frevious liked the trailer?

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Author: Lord Haseo
Time: 20-Oct-2015 11:28 PM
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generalfrevious said:

TV's Frink said:

WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL

I thought it was good.

..........never would I have thought..

Author: TV's Frink
Time: 20-Oct-2015 11:47 PM
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SilverWook said:

Frevious liked something?

Fixed.

Author: TMBTM
Time: 22-Oct-2015 9:20 AM
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What if TFA is awful?

Hell, I wached Episode II and I'm not dead. So I'd probably go watch Episode 8, 9 and the standalones, too. Cause it's Star wars. And they are cool material for fanedits ;)

Author: generalfrevious
Time: 22-Oct-2015 9:45 AM
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Lord Haseo said:

generalfrevious said:

TV's Frink said:

WHAT IF TFA TRAILER IS AWFUL

I thought it was good.

..........never would I have thought..

I think I liked the last trailer as well.

Author: Lt. Hija
Time: 22-Oct-2015 11:35 AM
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What I've see thus far looks rather "derivative", what I read so far (admittedly a lot of speculation) about the plot premise sounds original.

My biggest concern had been and still is whether Abrams took Yoda's advice to heart: "Wars don't make one great"

There is a certain amount of expectation for "prequel compensation" among fans and I'm really not sure if Abrams can really provide this.

IMHO, "prequel compensation" has already been accomplished by Dave Filoni and his team with Clone Wars and Rebels.

In case TFA is awful, I'll just paraphrase Humphrey Bogart from Casablanca: We'll always have Bespin

Lucas on the colorization of the THREE STOOGES in 2004: "Maybe just the fact that they're in black and white makes it funny, because their humor is dated. But by putting it in black and white, it puts it in a context where you can appreciate it for what it was." Lucas on film preservation before Congress in 1988: "The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests."