Or he became an abusive parent. Was there a Kenobi backup plan? Would Kenobi take on the fatherly role or he had other potential parent just in case?
If you remember Owen was HEAVILY vetted by Ben, via the rigorous process of walking up to a stranger and handing them a baby without even speaking a word, then riding off into the desert backed by some John Williams music. If all adoption services 'adopted' this method it would solve so many problem. Another example of George's water-tight writing.
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Uncle Owen's penchant for violence is well known. Isn't there already a thread for this?:
He lies to his nephew, he holds him back from his ambitions, he won't let him "get power converters". Sounds a bit abusive already and he could punch a galaxy to death with one hand tied behind his back.
He wants to be an imp pilot making sure he is discovered... Does Owen know that he is Force sensitive?
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
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What if Aunt Beru was seriously passive aggressive? How would that have changed the OT?
It makes way more sense if Owen was a strong willed and angry character in the PT. If he had taken Luke into his care after all Luke's family were killed messing around with those suspicious Jedi sorts, then Ben having little or nothing to do with Luke would have made sense. If Owen had forbade Ben from seeing Luke, Ben's next best option would be to build a hut in the hills nearby and keep watch. As for Leia, maybe she was hidden away as planned before Owen interceeded.
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imperialscum said:
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
Early on, with the Empire hunting down Jedi, the moisture farm might have been the safest place for Luke. There is dialog about wanting to have given him the lightsaber sooner, but Owen forbade it.
Luke knew where Ben lived, and what he looked like, so they must have met before if only in passing.
Arguably, Obi Wan was waiting for a sign, and it came in the form of a message carried by an Artoo unit he pretends not to recognize. ;)
Where were you in '77?
SilverWook said:
imperialscum said:
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
Early on, with the Empire hunting down Jedi, the moisture farm might have been the safest place for Luke. There is dialog about wanting to have given him the lightsaber sooner, but Owen forbade it.
Luke knew where Ben lived, and what he looked like, so they must have met before if only in passing.
Arguably, Obi Wan was waiting for a sign, and it came in the form of a message carried by an Artoo unit he pretends not to recognize. ;)
Well a house in the middle of dune sea is even safer place, if Obi-Wan took him there and train him (without Owen even knowing about it).
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imperialscum said:
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
It kinda makes sense. Maybe he wanted to avoid him becoming arrogant because his powers manifest to early. If he was just a regular dude who discovered the Force all of the sudden he would have more appreciation for it.
Instead of growing up an knowing that he was special from the beginning.
Gillespies Jacketeer said:
imperialscum said:
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
It kinda makes sense. Maybe he wanted to avoid him becoming arrogant because his powers manifest to early. If he was just a regular dude who discovered the Force all of the sudden he would have more appreciation for it.
Instead of growing up an knowing that he was special from the beginning.
I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. I don't see why would leaving something to chance be better than controlling it. Jedi trained from the early age for thousands of years and yet they manged to be more than decent people (at least that's what they show us). In fact, by just letting him deal with it by himself would increase the chance of him becoming arrogant and misuse his powers. Far more than by carefully raising him in a good spirit (to be selfless, humble etc.) and to teach him to use his powers for good purposes.
On the other hand, practically speaking, Ben and Yoda pretty much saw him as a tool to defeat the Emperor. I just don't see the reason why they chose to throw him in with a few months of training instead of an entire life of training.
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imperialscum said:
I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. I don't see why would leaving something to chance be better than controlling it. Jedi trained from the early age for thousands of years and yet they manged to be more than decent people (at least that's what they show us). In fact, by just letting him deal with it by himself would increase the chance of him becoming arrogant and misuse his powers. Far more than by carefully raising him in a good spirit (to be selfless, humble etc.) and to teach him to use his powers for good purposes.
On the other hand, practically speaking, Ben and Yoda pretty much saw him as a tool to defeat the Emperor. I just don't see the reason why they chose to throw him in with a few months of training instead of an entire life of training.
None of it makes sense, nor will it ever. You're putting ten times more thought into the story than Lucas did. He isn't a good writer, he made up characters to sell toys, and thought up (and altered) the story on the fly.
You won't be able to make this work because it doesn't. The story was altered long after the earlier parts were written & filmed - by a very poor writer. No way you solve this Rubik's Cube.
The story is contaminated.
Anchorhead said:
imperialscum said:
I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. I don't see why would leaving something to chance be better than controlling it. Jedi trained from the early age for thousands of years and yet they manged to be more than decent people (at least that's what they show us). In fact, by just letting him deal with it by himself would increase the chance of him becoming arrogant and misuse his powers. Far more than by carefully raising him in a good spirit (to be selfless, humble etc.) and to teach him to use his powers for good purposes.
On the other hand, practically speaking, Ben and Yoda pretty much saw him as a tool to defeat the Emperor. I just don't see the reason why they chose to throw him in with a few months of training instead of an entire life of training.
None of it makes sense, nor will it ever. You're putting ten times more thought into the story than Lucas did. He isn't a good writer, he made up characters to sell toys, and thought up (and altered) the story on the fly.
You won't be able to make this work because it doesn't. The story was altered long after the earlier parts were written & filmed - by a very poor writer. No way you solve this Rubik's Cube.
The story is contaminated.
Well you are partially right, but we have to admit that this thing (along with many others) became a plot hole only after the rest of the episodes were released. If you look at the first film alone, it isn't a problem any more. So maybe I somehow understand why you only like the first film and not the rest.
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imperialscum said:
Gillespies Jacketeer said:
imperialscum said:
The whole back story is dumb. If Obi-Wan had any serious plans with Luke, he would have raised him himself and, more importantly, started his training at the very early age.
I have two explanations for this thing. One is simply being a plot hole. The other is that Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that Luke could never defeat the Emperor and therefore they planned to use Luke just to trigger Anakin's return who would then destroy the Emperor (which is what eventually happened in ROTJ).
It kinda makes sense. Maybe he wanted to avoid him becoming arrogant because his powers manifest to early. If he was just a regular dude who discovered the Force all of the sudden he would have more appreciation for it.
Instead of growing up an knowing that he was special from the beginning.
I am sorry but that doesn't make sense. I don't see why would leaving something to chance be better than controlling it. Jedi trained from the early age for thousands of years and yet they manged to be more than decent people (at least that's what they show us). In fact, by just letting him deal with it by himself would increase the chance of him becoming arrogant and misuse his powers. Far more than by carefully raising him in a good spirit (to be selfless, humble etc.) and to teach him to use his powers for good purposes.
On the other hand, practically speaking, Ben and Yoda pretty much saw him as a tool to defeat the Emperor. I just don't see the reason why they chose to throw him in with a few months of training instead of an entire life of training.
I think it makes perfect sense, especially if you want to frame it with the PT because the Jedi in the PT are all arrogant assholes who basically set themselves up to fall. Anakin was about as arrogant as they come because we see him go from cute, innocent, kind-hearted farmboy to raging jerkface through the PT in large part because he's always talked about as special.
Now, if you want to ignore the PT, it makes less sense, of course, outside of Obi-Wan wanting to train Luke earlier, and Owen disallowing contact out of fear for Luke's safety while Obi-Wan waited for the Force (or whatever) to bring them together at the right time.
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Tyrphanax said:
Now, if you want to ignore the PT, it makes less sense, of course, outside of Obi-Wan wanting to train Luke earlier, and Owen disallowing contact out of fear for Luke's safety while Obi-Wan waited for the Force (or whatever) to bring them together at the right time.
The point I am making is why would he take him to his uncle and raise him himself. But as I said, this is not the problem within the scope of the first film.
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