What do you want to happen in the the rest of the ST? — Page 5

^This.

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BillionaireHobo287 said:

The movie starts with a flashback to Ben Solo’s tortured childhood. Ben is being bullied (and it isn’t the first time), which causes Ben to lash out and use the Force for the first time by force pushing a bully against a wall. Terrified of his new power, he runs away to somewhere where there are no people and begins to cry.

Suddenly, Snoke appears

Does he appear in a puff of Snoke?

BillionaireHobo287 at your earliest convenience can you continue with your preferred Episode VIII?

If that were to happen I would prefer it to be in IX and preferably to save Rey…but honestly I want Kylo to kill either Chewie or Leia as to cement himself into greatness.

Swazzy said:

That was a pretty entertaining read, and likely will help me to hate a movie that’s not even out yet.

Are you flattering me or saying my post sucks? Either way I respect your opinion.

If it is the former, I’m not so sure I will surpass anything Rian Johnson could come up with. Guy’s a genius at creativity and originality.

If it is the latter, please tell me how I can improve my story.

I think he’s saying your write up is so good that he’ll end up hating the actual film because it might not be as good.

I’m doubting the revelation of Rey would be quite like that, unless Kylo Ren tampered with a lot of her memory (Remember Bloodlines has to fit into this continuity somehow as well).

Can you elaborate please.

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Lord Haseo said:

If that were to happen I would prefer it to be in IX and preferably to save Rey…but honestly I want Kylo to kill either Chewie or Leia as to cement himself into greatness.

Definitely not. No more classic trilogy characters dead, please. My childhood has already been made retroactively tragic enough.

Lord Haseo said:

Can you elaborate please.

Assuming that was Directed at me:
Minor bloodlines Spoilers, Read post at own Risk
Bloodlines is only 6 years or so Before TFA, and aside from Leia not being able to contact Luke there’s nothing to indicate Ben has turned. And difficulty in sending a message isn’t quite evidence of him being turned. So if Rey was being trained by Luke, then the false memories would be to erase her return to Jakku, or otherwise replace the last seven or eight years of her life with false Memories of Jakku, as she’d be thirteen when Bloodlines takes place.

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Can you elaborate please.

Assuming that was Directed at me:
Minor bloodlines Spoilers, Read post at own Risk
Bloodlines is only 6 years or so Before TFA, and aside from Leia not being able to contact Luke there’s nothing to indicate Ben has turned. And difficulty in sending a message isn’t quite evidence of him being turned. So if Rey was being trained by Luke, then the false memories would be to erase her return to Jakku, or otherwise replace the last seven or eight years of her life with false Memories of Jakku, as she’d be thirteen when Bloodlines takes place.

Couldn’t Ben pretend not to be a dark side worshipper? Like Palpatine? I think Ben Solo is a much more tragic character if he has less agency and control over his actions(like if he was brainwashed at the ripe age of childhood). The guy’s crazier than a taco dancing on a jelly bean, and it makes you feel bad for him.

Despite what the prequels may have you believe, anything is possible with The Force!

How’s my Act 2?

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I always assumed Vader started the destruction of the Jedi Order which then lead to he and Palpatine taking over the Galaxy.

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He was talking to Vader’s mask and asking it to show him the power of the Darkness so that he could finish what Vader started. The KoR philosophy has nothing to do with Kylo’s actions as his motives stem from those of a long dead Sith Lord.

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BillionaireHobo287 said:
Yeah, maybe in Episode VII where the Knights of Ren just stand dramatically in Rey’s vision and do nothing else.

Wait what? lol

I like that the the direction you’re going with the Rey/Luke dynamic but I’m not particularly enthralled with Han being resurrected. Reason one being that wasn’t Rexus Ren supposed to be killed so that they could use him/her as a test subject? Secondly, it cheapens Han’s death.

BillionaireHobo287 said:

flametitan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Can you elaborate please.

Assuming that was Directed at me:
Minor bloodlines Spoilers, Read post at own Risk
Bloodlines is only 6 years or so Before TFA, and aside from Leia not being able to contact Luke there’s nothing to indicate Ben has turned. And difficulty in sending a message isn’t quite evidence of him being turned. So if Rey was being trained by Luke, then the false memories would be to erase her return to Jakku, or otherwise replace the last seven or eight years of her life with false Memories of Jakku, as she’d be thirteen when Bloodlines takes place.

Couldn’t Ben pretend not to be a dark side worshipper? Like Palpatine? I think Ben Solo is a much more tragic character if he has less agency and control over his actions(like if he was brainwashed at the ripe age of childhood). The guy’s crazier than a taco dancing on a jelly bean, and it makes you feel bad for him.

Ben was never the focus of my point.

My focus is on Rey. Currently everything we know about Rey and the timeline of events up to TFA makes her being connected at all to the Jedi questionable at best. So there’s two extremes that I see. Minimal amount of tampering (Months at most), and Dramatic tampering (i.e. everything is a lie)

For the minimal amount of memory tampering, we’d have to ask why she was dropped off on Jakku twice. Even if she were only with Luke a few months and it was altered so she never thought she left Jakku, surely everyone she’d knew from before would know of the gap, and Unkarr Plutt doesn’t seem to care too much about keeping a secret from Rey. He’s not protecting her; he even tries to kill her in the novelization. So she’d already know there was a gap in her memory relative to everyone else. We might not, but she would. Which raises the question of why erase her memory if we’re just going to place her back into a location where she could easily find out something’s wrong?

For Eight years of memory erasure, we’d basically be removing everything we knew about her backstory just to fit her into having a connection to the Jedi. It doesn’t even sound like it’s that significant to the plot, it simply just makes a nice excuse for Luke to know Rey. She still has to be trained, she still doesn’t know Luke that well, she still hates Kylo Ren. It alters the backstory almost as much as Vader’s revelation in Empire, while being as significant to the plot as Leia’s relation to Luke was in RotJ.

Needless to say, I’m going against the grain and not being too impressed by your plot outlines, until there’s a way to work around How Bloodlines mucked up the pet theories around Continuity.

If she had her mind altered like Revan her being dropped on Jakku as a child could be a false memory meaning she only got dropped off there once.

Lord Haseo said:

If she had her mind altered like Revan her being dropped on Jakku as a child could be a false memory meaning she only got dropped off there once.

That leads to my second point: Her whole backstory as we know it is a lie, which I’d rather not have, as it’s removing backstory for the sake of having a twist, rather than adding to the plot.

There’s one possibility I didn’t note: an incident which led her to being dropped off when she was five, one separate from the massacre Kylo Ren committed to the Jedi Academy. This could work, if set up right.