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What do you LIKE about the EU? — Page 47

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darklordoftech said:

Dave Dorman’s art

Yes.

“Mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical. It has been well said that mythology is the penultimate truth — penultimate because the ultimate cannot be put into words. It is beyond words. Beyond images, beyond that bounding rim of the Buddhist Wheel of Becoming. Mythology pitches the mind beyond that rim, to what can be known but not told.”

― Joseph Campbell

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Luke rebulding the Jedi Order was the best part of the EU unlike in Disney Canon in there Luke Jedi Order is destroyed in a Few Years i envisioned that Luke would restore the Jedi Order after the movies
So the post ROTJ EU is the closest thing to my vision

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We don’t know if the order is destroyed. Since the films had nothing to say about the other surviving Jedi Rey isn’t alone or the Last Jedi. Although they sort of were saying she was going to be the one who brought it back, and hinting at Finn having force sensitivity. The possibility of him being her apprentice.

Ahsoka might not think she is a Jedi anymore but i doubt she is dead, and Ezra is probably somewhere and they can’t be the only Jedi in a very big Star Wars GFFA.

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JadedSkywalker said:

We don’t know if the order is destroyed. Since the films had nothing to say about the other surviving Jedi Rey isn’t alone or the Last Jedi. Although they sort of were saying she was going to be the one who brought it back, and hinting at Finn having force sensitivity. The possibility of him being her apprentice.

Ahsoka might not think she is a Jedi anymore but i doubt she is dead, and Ezra is probably somewhere and they can’t be the only Jedi in a very big Star Wars GFFA.

Point is Luke should’ve been the one to restore the Jedi Order. Not some overpowered, underwritten mystery box entity.

“Mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical. It has been well said that mythology is the penultimate truth — penultimate because the ultimate cannot be put into words. It is beyond words. Beyond images, beyond that bounding rim of the Buddhist Wheel of Becoming. Mythology pitches the mind beyond that rim, to what can be known but not told.”

― Joseph Campbell

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I sort of liked the Rise of Kylo Ren but i didn’t like the retcon of the Knights of Ren or Hippie Snoke. The Luke Skywalker stuff was good. I also liked the Sith book whatever the heck it was called that had Lando, even if it was a late tie in to Rise of Skywalker. Was it Shadow of the Sith?

There Luke is actively trying to prevent Palpatine’s return and to thwart the darkside. He is trying to find Exegol. He isn’t Jake Skywalker. I liked that Anakin saves him. And that it made both Hayden and Shaw canon.

It actually made Rey’s parents characters.

But yeah it still has to work in the shitty story for the Rise of Skywalker, the Sith Eternal and Occhi and all that garbage.

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Zorba the Hutt

He be pimpin’.

“Mythology is not a lie, mythology is poetry, it is metaphorical. It has been well said that mythology is the penultimate truth — penultimate because the ultimate cannot be put into words. It is beyond words. Beyond images, beyond that bounding rim of the Buddhist Wheel of Becoming. Mythology pitches the mind beyond that rim, to what can be known but not told.”

― Joseph Campbell

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In general, I like how the old EU handled the fall of the Empire. It wasn’t a clean or quick process of collapse. It was a gradual decline like the Roman Empire into a sort of Byzantine rump state, with brief periods of resurgence. In this analogy, I guess Thrawn would be Emperor Justinian trying to reconquer the Western Empire.

The whole thing played out in a more realistic way and felt truer to real history, with the fracturing into warlord states and splinter factions rising up. I like that the Galactic Civil War continued for another 15 years after Endor, and I find the idea of a post-Palpatine declining Empire to be a really interesting concept.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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I liked that the EU didn’t just rehash the original trilogy’s story like the “official” canon did with it’s sequels. The EU had a positive portrayal of Luke’s life after ROTJ, him founding a new Jedi academy on Yavin IV, and eventually facing off against a new threat not seen before. One that was immune to the Force no less.

It was a lot more fresh, novel yet traditional. The Star Wars cast had numerous children who grew up, got married themselves, and the story continued centuries later with Luke’s descendant. It was far more wholesome than the nihilistic, propaganda-filled tripe we got from Disney.

The EU had it’s problems, namely it’s incredibly bloated library of books, spin-offs of spin-offs, and excruciating detail into things that didn’t need to be explained. It could have been curated better for sure, and with a lot of pruning and better oversight it would have been a lot more approachable.

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I listed some things in the “What do you hate about the EU?” thread, so to balance things out I’ve come here to share what I like/love about the EU!

  1. I appreciate the EU for finding imaginative ways to explore the Star Wars universe, mostly in those early days, but some of the later stuff did so too. I remember when I first found out about all of it- my mind was blown. I never imagined there could be so much more going on the Galaxy Far Far Away.

  2. Lately I’ve taken a particular interest in the older EU stories. So far anything with Brian Daley and Archie Goodwin/Al Williamson has been great. Everything they do feels like it could have happened in an actual Star Wars movie, but they all manage to create all new situations and worlds to explore. It feels like a very natural and fresh expansion of the concepts, characters, and ideas introduced in the OT. Even though they show things like the Bounty Hunter on Ord Mantell or the Battle of Toprawa (how the Rebels got the Death Star plans) none of it feels like fan service. Its very authentic and fresh. (For context, I’m mostly referring to the Newspaper Strips, the Han Solo adventures, and the radio dramas.)

  3. Adding onto that, I’ve also been impressed with the work of Tom Vietch. Bringing back Boba Fett and Palpatine should have never worked creatively. Its something that sounds like pure fan service, contrived and without any substance, but with Dark Empire Vietch manages to craft something that feels very special and unique. The art by Cam Kennedy adds to this as well. I’ve yet to reread Dark Empire 2 and Empire’s End though, so we’ll see what I think of that. I’m currently reading Tales of the Jedi for the first time so I’ll jump back into Dark Empire afterwards. Either way, I really enjoy the first Dark Empire.

  4. I also really enjoy Matthew Stover’s Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor. Its epic in scale, its witty, cinematic, pulpy, philosophic, intense, atmospheric, and poetic. Luke gets pushed to his limits as he is faced with a nihilistic philosophy that threatens to break his spirit, all while he tries not only living up to the legacy of the Jedi, but to the legacy that’s been formed around him. The book also breaks it’s own meta. Was any of it real? Did it really happen? Well of course not, it is a novel after all… A lot of people hate it for that, but I think it’s the author’s way of commentating on the fandom’s obsession with canon and what “really happened.”

  5. John Jackson Miller’s KOTOR comic was great too. One of the best comics I’ve ever read. I’m not a big fan of the KOTOR era, but the story and characters were just too good. The banter and relationships between the characters reminds me of the OT with Luke, Han and Leia. Some really interesting plot twists too- the kinds that don’t just come out of nowhere, but the kinds that make you go “why didn’t I see that coming! It all makes sense now!” (Even though I knew something strange was happening for a while.)

Move along, move along.

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Update: So I’ve read some Tales of the Jedi. Love how Nomi Sunrider goes out into the empty desert and learns a bit about the Force. Love how the Jedi master was a giant lizard too and I wish we saw more unique things like that from Star Wars. Ulic is cool too but I have a feeling his story is going to get more interesting as it goes along.

I also reread Dark Empire II and Empire’s End… I do like that Veitch and Kennedy kept trying to introduce new things like the Shadow Droids and the Dark Adepts, but most of what else I have to say would lean more into criticism so I’ll stop here.

Move along, move along.

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C3PX said:

My original draw to the character of Kyle Katarn was that he was an average kind of guy. He wasn’t Luke Skywalker, or some ancient mystical occultist warrior. He was just a guy with a gun, trying to get by under a tyrannical regime. And finally, circumstanced draw him into the Rebellion.

I was irritated when the story turned into, here is you father’s lightsaber, he was murdered by an evil Sith Lord…you must learn the ways of the Jedi, and follow in your father’s footsteps… Suddenly he is a cheap ripoff of Luke (or almost a cocktail of Han and Luke). Even the showdown at the end of the game, much like the showdown in Return of the Jedi, has Kyle tempted to turn to the darkside. Please!

Even having him turn to the darkside later on was pretty lame. It is kind of silly how in the movies we get the impression that once you turn to the darkside you don’t come back, and yet in the EU just about everyone turns to the darkside sooner or later and have absolutely no trouble coming back with a little help from their friends. Gets a little old.

I completely get what you’re saying, although i wouldn’t define Kyle Katarn an ordinary guy anyways, he was a goddamn one man army.
If Lucasfilm ever shot a movie about the first Dark Forces back in the day, i would have made him more like a spy that knows when to shoot and when to pull off his imperial rank to infiltrate (of course the game was a Doom clone, so that couldn’t be translated into the gameplay.
To me Jedi Knight (which was the first pc game i ever played, well… the demo at least) always felt like a parallel dimension to the movie, it had enough of a Star Wars feel, but looked different somehow, i don’t even know if i’m able to explain it properly, i just know that that’s the impression it always gave me, since i was a 7-years old laddie.
Then the lines got blurred by a lot when they inserted him more into the SW inner circle of Luke and Lando (and consequently Han and Chewie as well), of all the titles Jedi Knight is the one that feels more removed from “things we know”, it’s a self-contained story that’s in fact so self-contained that passes more or less debatably as a Star Wars lookalike, but i will say it does have more of a Kurosawa feel than actual SW.

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Marvel Epic Collection is reprinting Sith War. Though i’m looking forward to the reprint of Dark Lords of the Sith in the same volume more. Wish they had a book that just reprinted the Veitch Gossett run only. In hardback. At the time of Dark Lords Anderson hadn’t taken over.