What do you LIKE about the EU? — Page 40

darklordoftech said:

From the upcoming novel "Lords of the Sith":

"Vader completed his mediation and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger. He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it in ruin, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight. [...] When man and machine were united, he no longer felt the absence of his legs, his arm, or the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his rage burned. [...] The armor separated him from the galaxy, from everyone, made him singular, freed him from the needs of the flesh, the concerns of the body that once had plagued him, and allowed him to focus solely on his relationship to the Force. [...] He looked out and up through the large viewport that opened out onto the galaxy and its numberless worlds and stars. It was his duty to rule them all. He saw that now."

What do you think?

So now Vader is some semi-masochistic rageaholic? Sorry, but this characterization just doesn't appeal to me.

In my mind, Vader considers himself a prisoner of pain, rage, loneliness, and his life-supporting suit of armour; he would shed them if he could, but he cannot. He certainly does not embrace any of these.

DominicCobb said:

Am I the only one who doesn't mind the notion that Boba is a clone? Now of course I didn't care much for how it was handled in AOTC, but I think the idea is cool. Making him a clone doesn't make him more "human and relatable," it should actually do the opposite. I think the fact that the most bad ass bounty hunter in the galaxy is actually just a clone of some other guy is actually a really interesting and unconventional sort of concept for such a character.

Like you said, it's not the idea itself that's the problem but how it was executed.

The one and only real thing I really like from the NJO is when the Yuuzhan Vong conquered Coruscant and began terraforming it into a world with actual vegetation on its surface. As someone who hates the entire notion of an entire planet becoming paved over, to see a planet like that going through an entire environmental renewel appealed to me immensely.

Of course, it all got completely reversed as soon as the godawful Legacy era began. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

Of course, it all got completely reversed as soon as the godawful Legacy era began. 

I'm surprised that the legacy era didn't reveal that the Vong were manipulated by the Sith.

I'm looking forward to the Tarkin novel. Tarkin was strangely missing from the prequels.

When a character in KOTOR says, "Shut up about Revan and Malak. Kun and Ulic were far worse."

Yeah but they weren't really.

The Merchant said:

they weren't really.

And how do we know that? TOTJ doesn't show the entirety of the Great Sith War.

I love how in TOTJ the Jedi are decentralized, aren't trained from birth, don't dress like Tatooinians, and have families.

The Clone Wars story reels have some interesting impications about the Corsair.

Cause Revan and Malak took over a good chunk of the Galaxy while the Sith Brotherhood had a small amount, not to mention Malak bombed and left so many planets dead. I don't recall Kun and Ulic doing that. 

darklordoftech said:

The Clone Wars story reels have some interesting impications about the Corsair.

 
Wait, what do you mean? The Sith corsair?

The Merchant said: The Sith corsair?

yup

The Merchant said:

Cause Revan and Malak took over a good chunk of the Galaxy while the Sith Brotherhood had a small amount, not to mention Malak bombed and left so many planets dead. I don't recall Kun and Ulic doing that. 

Have you heard of the Dark Reaper? Did you see the map in The Essential Atlas?

The Dark Reaper didn't even last that long into the war and was destroyed shortly after being deployed and it only was meant to destroy armies. And yes I have, along with how big the Sith Empire of Revan and Malak's were. They conquered a huge chunk of the Galaxy and was even said to be comparable in threat to the Galactic Empire. As for the Sith Corsair, can you link to an episode if you're referring to the CGI Clone Wars that is.

The Merchant said:

As for the Sith Corsair, can you link to an episode if you're referring to the CGI Clone Wars that is.

http://www.starwars.com/video/star-wars-the-clone-wars-story-reel-the-big-bang

Here it is. 

What Luke goes through on Yavin in The Star Wars Story Synopsis from 1973 is very similar to what Exar Kun goes through on the same planet in Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith.

Why do you laugh? The EU still exists, it just isn't canon anymore. Does that mean we can no longer discuss it? Additionally, I don't think anyone here will read/watch/play every single thing that ends up in the official canon, and this thread will still be relevant for everything aside from the movies, even if it isn't technically considered EU (although regardless of whether it is considered such or not, it really is EU).

DuracellEnergizer said:

darklordoftech said:

From the upcoming novel "Lords of the Sith":

"Vader completed his mediation and opened his eyes. His pale, flame-savaged face stared back at him from out of the reflective black surface of his pressurized meditation chamber. Without the neural connection to his armor, he was conscious of the stumps of his legs, the ruin of his arm, the perpetual pain in his flesh. He welcomed it. Once, as a Jedi, he had meditated to find peace. Now he meditated to sharpen the edges of his anger. He stared at his reflection a long time. His injuries had deformed his body, left it in ruin, but they'd perfected his spirit, strengthening his connection to the Force. Suffering had birthed insight. [...] When man and machine were united, he no longer felt the absence of his legs, his arm, or the pain of his flesh, but the hate remained, and the rage still burned. Those, he never relinquished, and he never felt more connected to the Force than when his rage burned. [...] The armor separated him from the galaxy, from everyone, made him singular, freed him from the needs of the flesh, the concerns of the body that once had plagued him, and allowed him to focus solely on his relationship to the Force. [...] He looked out and up through the large viewport that opened out onto the galaxy and its numberless worlds and stars. It was his duty to rule them all. He saw that now."

What do you think?

So now Vader is some semi-masochistic rageaholic? Sorry, but

this characterization just doesn't appeal to me.

In my mind, Vader considers himself a prisoner of pain, rage, loneliness, and his life-supporting suit of armour; he would shed them if he could, but he cannot. He certainly does not embrace any of these.

Vader as a darksider would utilize his rage to sustain him and make him more powerful. That's kind of common for a darksider in the EU and has been for a long time, he did the same thing to sustain himself when he was trapped underneath a building for days and he did it int he RODV novel to make him more powerful in duels

Carthage said:

Vader as a darksider would utilize his rage to sustain him and make him more powerful. That's kind of common for a darksider in the EU and has been for a long time, he did the same thing to sustain himself when he was trapped underneath a building for days and he did it int he RODV novel to make him more powerful in duels

I think there's a difference between embracing rage short-term in the heat of battle to gain an edge over an opponent and embracing rage long-term in some effort to achieve dark side Nirvana; IMO, while Vader is willing to do the former, he is rarely ever willing to do the latter.

In any case, my take on the SW Universe, it's characters, and its metaphysics doesn't mesh all that well with most of the EU's, so the point is moot.  

DuracellEnergizer said:

In any case, my take on the SW Universe, it's characters, and its metaphysics doesn't mesh all that well with most of the EU's, so the point is moot.  

 If you're going to make grammatical errors, at least be consistent about it.