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What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 31

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skyjedi2005 said:

Or C'boath or Luke Skywalker self appointing themselves Jedi masters.

C'Boath was insane and nobody else considered him a Jedi master, and Luke was already a Jedi when he took on an apprentice, making him a Jedi who's a master of another Jedi.

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skyjedi2005 said:

Luke goes one further making himself a Grand Master.

He was in charge of all the other Jedi.

There's also a big difference between claiming to have a rank that you don't have and claiming to be part of an organization that you're not part of.

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KOTOR 2's idea of "Wounds in the Force." It was like the developers tried to make something more evil then the Dark-side and we got a huge mess of monsters who eat entire planets like Galactus. I mean was there really any point in making that when the story could have been much more simple, like remnants of Revan's empire still resisting against the Republic. Nope, we gotta go full Lovecraft!

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darklordoftech said:

- The idea that you can become a Sith just by calling yourself one. Sorry Sith fanboys, but you can't.

 

Not even in the New Sith Wars with the space lanes all messed up?

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The Merchant said:

KOTOR 2's idea of "Wounds in the Force." It was like the developers tried to make something more evil then the Dark-side and we got a huge mess of monsters who eat entire planets like Galactus. I mean was there really any point in making that when the story could have been much more simple, like remnants of Revan's empire still resisting against the Republic. Nope, we gotta go full Lovecraft!

Lovecraft meeting Star Wars would actually be awesome. Nihilius doesn't sound like Lovecraft; he sounds like an overpowered supervillain in a poorly written comic book. 

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DuracellEnergizer said: an overpowered supervillain in a poorly written comic book. 

I definitely hate the comic-bookyness of the EU. "Clone Emperor has World Devastators! Greatest threat ever! Daala has the Sun Crusher! Greatest threat ever! Yuuzhan Vong can Vongform planets! Greatest threat ever! Vitiate can suck the color out of planets! Greatest threat ever!"

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I don't like how much of a pain in the ass it is to buy certain OOP Eu figures. Jacen, Kun, and Ulic's toys are very pricey.

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darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said: an overpowered supervillain in a poorly written comic book. 

I definitely hate the comic-bookyness of the EU. "Clone Emperor has World Devastators! Greatest threat ever! Daala has the Sun Crusher! Greatest threat ever! Yuuzhan Vong can Vongform planets! Greatest threat ever! Vitiate can suck the color out of planets! Greatest threat ever!"

 It was toned down in the later EU.

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That few if any of the EU books, comics or games capture the adventure and excitement and fun of the first film from 1977.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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I loathe how the jackasses running the EU would take obviously non-serious jokes like this and this and canonize them just because they flew from the lips of Lucas.

I also despise how they'd take Lucas' authorial intent (such as the stuff regarding Anakin as the Chosen One) as absolute canon even if it was never confirmed in-film. Authorial intent isn't canon.

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I didn't even like the much praised Thrawn trilogy, it seems to get its reputation from simply being the first of the new EU.  It's not awful but simply not very good and has too many flaws for me to go into right now.  

I've not read the books in which it occurred but all the nastiness inflicted on the Solo children is unforgivable and undermines Luke's victory in the original trilogy and goes against the spirit of the first films.  That's not to say that all has to be rosy in the universe but you would think that the conflict would take on another form.      

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"Victory? Victory, you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory!"

I think there has to be something left for Luke et al. to fight.... otherwise we wouldn't have the ST.

(As much as Lucas liked to deny its very existence for a good 15 years or so, during the "Tragedy of Darth Vader" era, the ST has clearly existed as a concept in the overall SW storyline for much longer than it didn't.)

I was quite hostile to the idea of Jacen turning into Darth Caedus when I first heard about it, but I don't mind as much now. It was, perhaps, foreordained.

Still, I really wish they hadn't killed off Mara. Reminds me too much of the motherless families in Disney films.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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skyjedi2005 said:

That few if any of the EU books, comics or games capture the adventure and excitement and fun of the first film from 1977.

And that's the thing, on face value, you would think it would be easier.  I'm sure if the movie had have come out about eight years earlier (and was just as big of a smash hit) and had a series of books been commissioned fairly early on, we'd would have had a much more entertaining set of books.  

As it is, the marvel comics were winging it, and, perhaps, Marvel wasn't the best outlet for SW by that stage. Conversely; perhaps the darker world of almost a quarter of a century on (and further) is not conducive to good Star Wars.  There's too much time to stew things over and second guess what you think would happen or what you think would make for interesting reading - Star Wars had become too big (which is a different point to the 'small universe' issue). And of course, by the late 90s, 'darkness' was all the rage. 

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ATMachine said:

"Victory? Victory, you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory!"

I think there has to be something left for Luke et al. to fight.... otherwise we wouldn't have the ST.

Yes, but is there any reason that it has to be close relatives? It's just history repeating itself ad infinitum. Not only does in perpetuate the annoying 'small universe' syndrome but it defeats the poetry of Luke's victory over the Darkside.  You need a few deaths every now and then in these kinds of things to add to the drama but to have massive allegiance shifts, due to the dark side, occurring in every (effectively) generation is tedious to the extreme.  It's just an unforgivable lack of respect and imagination. Balance to the force, but if you blink you'll miss it.  

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^Why I loathe the entire Legacy era in a nutshell. As craptastic as the NJO was, at least it didn't end with a member of the Skywalker-Solo clan falling to the dark side and the Empire/Sith coming back into power.

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It's so dumb how the Legacy writers were claiming that they were going to try and find a new enemy that wasn't the Sith and how it was going to be a fresh take on the series when instead they went the COMPLETE opposite.

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Cartoon Boba said:

ATMachine said:

"Victory? Victory, you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory!"

I think there has to be something left for Luke et al. to fight.... otherwise we wouldn't have the ST.

Yes, but is there any reason that it has to be close relatives? It's just history repeating itself ad infinitum. Not only does in perpetuate the annoying 'small universe' syndrome but it defeats the poetry of Luke's victory over the Darkside.

I assume it'd be for essentially the same reasons that King Arthur ends up fighting Mordred in Le Morte D'Arthur.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go listen to Die Walküre again.

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”

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ATMachine said:

Cartoon Boba said:

ATMachine said:

"Victory? Victory, you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory!"

I think there has to be something left for Luke et al. to fight.... otherwise we wouldn't have the ST.

Yes, but is there any reason that it has to be close relatives? It's just history repeating itself ad infinitum. Not only does in perpetuate the annoying 'small universe' syndrome but it defeats the poetry of Luke's victory over the Darkside.

I assume it'd be for essentially the same reasons that King Arthur ends up fighting Mordred in Le Morte D'Arthur.

We've already done that only in reverse, do we simply flip the hourglass over again if we have a fourth trilogy?

What about a prequel of the prequels with Anakin fighting his twin brother in the womb, or something..?

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To be quite honest, I'd rather look to different inspiration for a fourth trilogy, if at all possible.

Smash the hourglass. There's a whole world of stories out there!

“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”