What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 18

There were many screw-ups in sith history, even before KOTOR:

1. Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire are set way too long after the formation of the Republic and Jedi. 20,000 years of a Galactic Republic and hyperspace travel is still dangerous? C'mon.

2. Darth Bane should have been one of Exar Kun's followers. Did Lucas have to create another fallen Jedi incident?

3. Darth should absolutely not be a title. Darth being a title is like all Jedi being called "Ben (something)".

- Every single Sith starts out as a Jedi. What happened to bad people doing evil things?

- Every single cantina alien works for the Rebellion or the Empire. Are there any civilians in that cantina?

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

- Every single Sith starts out as a Jedi.

Not in SWTOR. :)

You are correct about that.

darklordoftech said:

Every single cantina alien works for the Rebellion or the Empire. Are there any civilians in that cantina?

If there are, there won't be for long. ;-) 

Lucas has never showered any real praise on the EU -- beyond the first Dark Empire, he seems largely indifferent to it, actually -- so I don't see why anyone would use that as a defense of the EU.

Wannabe Scholar said:

Turning A'Sharad Hett, a Tusken Jedi, into a Sith Lord.

The funniest thing about this (read, stupidest), is that when A'Sharad first made his appearance in the EU, his lightsabers -- both his own and the one he inherited from his father -- sported red blades. Once AOTC rolls around, though, his lightsabers become green without any explanation. Then he becomes a Sith, and he's sporting red blades again.

I don't mind the forcesabers all that much because they aren't exactly meant to be lightsabers. It does irk me, on the other hand, how some lameass writer(s) retconned the Jedi and Sith into possessing lightsaber technology millennia before the technology was supposed to have even been invented.

DuracellEnergizer said:

retconned the Jedi and Sith into possessing lightsaber technology millennia before the technology was supposed to have even been invented.

Where was this?

Well, in the later TOTJ comics, it was established that around 5000 BBY, the Jedi wielded archaic lightsabers with external power packs while the Sith didn't wield any lightsabers at all. That all got retconned later, though (I'm not sure where), and now the Jedi are depicted as wielding archaic lightsabers as long ago as 7000 BBY, with the first Sith Lords even depicted as wielding modern lightsabers.

Wannabe Scholar said:

In the Dawn of the Jedi comic series by Dark Horse.

I think it was a fair bit earlier than that. The Vector storyline had flashbacks which showed ancient Jedi and Sith wielding lightsabers, and that story was written years before Dawn of the Jedi came out. 

DuracellEnergizer said:

Well, in the later TOTJ comics, it was established that around 5000 BBY, the Jedi wielded archaic lightsabers with external power packs while the Sith didn't wield any lightsabers at all. That all got retconned later, though (I'm not sure where), and now the Jedi are depicted as wielding archaic lightsabers as long ago as 7000 BBY, with the first Sith Lords even depicted as wielding modern lightsabers.

I don't see how archaic sabers in 5000 BBY = no sabers at all in 7000 BBY, but the first Sith Lords having modern sabers is absolutely wrong. The first Sith Lords lived before the events of the comics with the archaic sabers. 

Interestingly, the idea that the first Sith Lords had lightsabers at all originated with Kreia saying in KOTOR II that Tulak Hord was among the first Sith Lords and was an excellent lightsaber wielder. Possibly to accomodate that, the first Sith Lords were retconned to have lived in 7000 BBY instead of 25,000 BBY as previously implied. 

Tobar said:

The existence of the "True Sith" has caused some confusion with their placement in the canonical timeline of galactic chronology. When Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was first released, the establishment of the Old Sith Empire was believed to have taken place circa 25,000 BBY. Additionally, the beginning of the "True Sith"'s existence was fixed as being approximately "tens of thousands of years" in the past. In 2005, however, the establishment of the Old Sith Empire was retconned to have happened around 6900 BBY, which presented a new divide in the historical placement of the two groups, and indeed in the very nature of the Sith themselves.

Later, it was discovered that, after the Sith King Adas died while driving the Rakata from Korriban in 27,700 BBY, the Sith species possessed the technology to relocate themselves to nearby planets, creating the region known as Sith Space and the earliest Sith Empire.

I know, Tobar, but thanks anyway. Where did you get all that from?