What didn't you like about TFA? SPOILERS — Page 15

That_OT_Ruler said:

TV’s Frink said:

The fact that we’re even having this discussion proves the point. If you want to complain about “contrived” situations in TFA, you have to admit similar contrivances in the OT…or you just aren’t being realistic because you have to bend yourself into a pretzel to deny it.

Well… not exactly, at least in my opinion. The problem with The Force Awakens for me, and I apologize, you’ll never convince me otherwise, is that it is a copy of A New Hope, in terms of story. It takes that story, mixes it up, adds things, but then doesn’t explain certain crucial elements of the remixed story. A New Hope actually went out of its way to make sure the audience understood everything that was going on and didn’t leave us with questions hanging, which is something The Force Awakens fails to do: explain.

I personally blame the rushed storytelling and absence of any kind of scene where someone explains what’s going on.

For one that’s partially what the opening crawl is about

One example is Maz saying, “That’s a story for another time.” after Han asks where she got it.

Do you really think it would have been appropriate to have a trivial conversation about a fucking lightsaber when your castle is being ransacked? Are you serious?

I know people say that it’s part of a trilogy and it will be explained, but I don’t buy it.

Sounds like the epitome of a personal problem because I personally don’t like to be spoonfed everything. I’d rather have a faster paced movie then to have everything over explained in the PT

The fact is, I’m basing my opinion on my viewing of the movie. I saw it in the theater and I left unsatisfied and with many questions left unanswered.

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

Lord Haseo said:

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

That is an interesting point. File the movie not being enough a self contained story as another gripe some who are complaining that it is a rip-off of A New Hope are not finding to be enough like A New Hope have.

Lord Haseo said:

Sounds like the epitome of a personal problem because I personally don’t like to be spoonfed everything. I’d rather have a faster paced movie then to have everything over explained in the PT

I think you can have both… an fast paced fun action flick… and an movie that explains important stuff.

for example the Scene in Star Wars with Tarkin, Vader and all the Generals on the table helped a lot to explain the Status Quo to the Audience without slowing the movie down… it gave us Background to the Force, Vaders Role in the Empire, the Goverment and a lot more stuff…

I think we all agree that we do not want an dry lifeless wreck like the prequels with endless debates… but small scenes and good visual story telling can make a hell of a difference.

but to be honest I also don’t think we needed explaination for the lightsaber at that point of the movie.
but agree that i think the movie gave us to little background for some stuff…

How anyone could say this was a “fan’s film” or “the fans will like it” is beyond me. They must have been referring to prequel/SE fans. I consider myself a real fan of the Out and to me Tfa was an epic fail! As someone has already said the Ot are all individual films in there own right, star wars anh being one of the best Sci Fi films ever made. Such a groundbreaking film, tfa broke no new boundaries, just another forgettable effort with one goal, mass franchise, o noticed Disneyland now has all your favourite characters, guess what most of them are from the Ot!

What new boundaries would you have liked to have seen broken by TFA?

hydrospanner said:

What new boundaries would you have liked to have seen broken by TFA?

By breaking boundaries I mean a move away from both the prequels and the OT, did they really need to drag up old characters and rehash a story that’s already been told? They had an opportunity to rectify the prequel shite and create a completely fresh narrative, concept, introduce new characters with interesting back stories/dialogue. They should have looked closer at the OT if they wanted to regurgitate it and they should have paid more attention as to how the OT dealt with the background and foreground in terms of mis en scene. How it created atmosphere, evoked emotion through themes, which is what helped create the myth and magic of the OT, especially in ESB. I’m seriously starting to think the Henson effect played a huge part in helping create this, as this magic is present in both the Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal, but completely missing from the prequels and TFA.

That_OT_Ruler said:

hydrospanner said:

What new boundaries would you have liked to have seen broken by TFA?

I’m not a good fanfiction writer or anything along those lines, but I wanted something entirely new. New characters, a COMPLETELY different story, and so on. I don’t want to see more of the stormtroopers, the TIE fighters, and the empire (FIRST ORDER). I want to see something new. That story arc with the Empire was finished. It was over and one with, which is what made Return of the Jedi special. The new movie kinda nullifies or ruins the original trilogy by making it seem like it’s not important.

Well written and echoes my thoughts exactly, I was writing my reply at the time of your post.

That_OT_Ruler said:

Lord Haseo said:

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

Well thank you for being a good sport and not forcing me to change my viewpoints. 😃

As for the Maz explaining the lightsaber, maybe not when the castle was being destroyed, but just somewhere. It should’ve been explained at some point in the story.

And it probably still will be explained in one of the next two movies. If it isn’t, then I will readily agree it was lazy writing.

They did introduce new characters and there was no way they were making a sequel trilogy that omitted all the characters from the OT. Why even bother making an episode VII if it isn’t going to have any relation to the previous installments?

I don’t see how the story makes the OT unimportant. Did you think that there weren’t ever going to be any more bad guys in the universe after the Emperor died? Wasn’t the idea of some sort of an Imperial Remnant already thought of in the EU anyways? It seemed logical to me then and still does in TFA.

They did introduce new characters and there was no way they were making a sequel trilogy that omitted all the characters from the OT. Why even bother making an episode VII if it isn’t going to have any relation to the previous installments?

I don’t see how the story makes the OT unimportant. Did you think that there weren’t ever going to be any more bad guys in the universe after the Emperor died? Wasn’t the idea of some sort of an Imperial Remnant already thought of in the EU anyways? It seemed logical to me then and still does in TFA.

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

Lord Haseo said:

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

Well thank you for being a good sport and not forcing me to change my viewpoints. 😃

As for the Maz explaining the lightsaber, maybe not when the castle was being destroyed, but just somewhere. It should’ve been explained at some point in the story.

And it probably still will be explained in one of the next two movies. If it isn’t, then I will readily agree it was lazy writing.

To be honest who actually cares how she got it. What relevance did it have anyway? How did Luke train Jedi without a light sabre? Presumably he had another? So why he would need his old one back is beyond me. Again another ANH rip off, OBI1 had Anakin’s light sabre. He even tell’s Luke “it’s your father’s light sabre”. so Vader presumably had acquired another. Even the box containing it in OB1’s cave is copied in TFA.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

Lord Haseo said:

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

Well thank you for being a good sport and not forcing me to change my viewpoints. 😃

As for the Maz explaining the lightsaber, maybe not when the castle was being destroyed, but just somewhere. It should’ve been explained at some point in the story.

And it probably still will be explained in one of the next two movies. If it isn’t, then I will readily agree it was lazy writing.

To be honest who actually cares how she got it. What relevance did it have anyway? How did Luke train Jedi without a light sabre? Presumably he had another? So why he would need his old one back is beyond me. Again another ANH rip off, OBI1 had Anakin’s light sabre. He even tell’s Luke “it’s your father’s light sabre”. so Vader presumably had acquired another. Even the box containing it in OB1’s cave is copied in TFA.

He did have another, didn’t you see ROTJ? Maybe Luke doesn’t need or even want it back or maybe there is a reason he does need that particular lightsaber back. We will have wait and see in the next episode what relevance it has.

Why does it bother you that the saber was in a box? Maybe the saber box is like the modern equivalent of a rifle case and you could go buy them at any weapons store throughout the galaxy.

Wexter said:

R2 sabotaging Skippy on the sandcrawler

That malicious blue bastard.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

That_OT_Ruler said:

Lord Haseo said:

Sorry you felt that way and I hope you enjoy the film one day, but funny thing is that a decent amount of people were pissed when they left ESB due to having so many things left up in the air. Not saying TFA is on par but just wanted to note that.

Well thank you for being a good sport and not forcing me to change my viewpoints. 😃

As for the Maz explaining the lightsaber, maybe not when the castle was being destroyed, but just somewhere. It should’ve been explained at some point in the story.

And it probably still will be explained in one of the next two movies. If it isn’t, then I will readily agree it was lazy writing.

To be honest who actually cares how she got it. What relevance did it have anyway? How did Luke train Jedi without a light sabre? Presumably he had another? So why he would need his old one back is beyond me. Again another ANH rip off, OBI1 had Anakin’s light sabre. He even tell’s Luke “it’s your father’s light sabre”. so Vader presumably had acquired another. Even the box containing it in OB1’s cave is copied in TFA.

My god, there is no satisfying you.

hydrospanner said:

They did introduce new characters and there was no way they were making a sequel trilogy that omitted all the characters from the OT. Why even bother making an episode VII if it isn’t going to have any relation to the previous installments?

I can only imagine the complaints in this thread if there were no old characters.

hydrospanner said:

They did introduce new characters and there was no way they were making a sequel trilogy that omitted all the characters from the OT. Why even bother making an episode VII if it isn’t going to have any relation to the previous installments?

I don’t see how the story makes the OT unimportant. Did you think that there weren’t ever going to be any more bad guys in the universe after the Emperor died? Wasn’t the idea of some sort of an Imperial Remnant already thought of in the EU anyways? It seemed logical to me then and still does in TFA.

It didn’t require any of the original cast, in fact it would have been better without them in it to create more interest in the back stories of the ‘new’ characters all be it the Force strong characters had to be related but we didn’t need that spelling out in the first act. People who say it’s not a rehash of the OT are blind. The female version of Luke ‘Rey’, the Vader rip off ‘Ren’, palpatine clone ‘Snoke’ even an R2 rip off, BB8. Finn could even pass as a new Han? Bringing Chewie back (who seemingly hasn’t aged at all, they could have made his fur grey or something, anything) is purely to sell more bloody shit. Concentrate on depth of script/direction instead of Box Office takings and merchandise, which is why I assume the re-designed storm troopers? Rant off, I could go on for hours just how wrong this disappointing film was for an OT junky .

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

TV’s Frink said:

hydrospanner said:

They did introduce new characters and there was no way they were making a sequel trilogy that omitted all the characters from the OT. Why even bother making an episode VII if it isn’t going to have any relation to the previous installments?

I can only imagine the complaints in this thread if there were no old characters.

If there were no old characters and the film was good as I had been told by the media, non Star wars Fans and the like I would be happy. I was astounded at the lack of originality, people slate Jedi as a ANH clone, at least it was a good effort in comparison to this abortion.

TV’s Frink said:

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

Sad you had to pick up on that, his house then FFS

Bosk said:

I was astounded at the lack of originality, people slate Jedi as a ANH clone, at least it was a good effort in comparison to this abortion.

FYI, you shouldn’t use the “A” word so casually around Frink.

You might have been happy but a lot more would not have been.

Also, fuck you for comparing a movie to an abortion. I don’t care if the dictionary definition technically supports your using it, it’s not right. No better than people bitching about Lucas raping anything.