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What did the PT need?

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Understand that while I much prefer the OT, I can watch (and enjoy to an extent) the PT. I'm probably not alone in thinking that there were elements missing from the PT which would have made it better.

Here's a small list:

An angry, ill-tempered Darth Maul. For a young Sith apprentice, he sure was composed and serene. Why wouldn't he be bubbling cauldron of anger?

Episode I - Anakin at 19-20 years old. As millions of fans have observed many times.

Anakin sparring with Obi-Wan. Lucas loves the obvious foreshadowing - why not this?

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I definately agree that Anakin should have been 19.
AOTC should have been the clone wars series and the romance of Ankina and Padme but actually good. And He should have already been falling to the Dark side in that one.

*sigh* there is just so much. Padme should have lived on Alderan not Naboo. And she shouldn't have died in ROTS. Qui-Gon should have been Mace and not have died. Yoda should have never touched a lightsaber-he was too powerful for that kind of stuff.
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-Needed to pick an audience. If you begin a trilogy with fart jokes and silly droid antics you can't end it with the main character butchering children and having the flesh burned from his body.

-Needed a new protagonist. You can't have two-thirds of one trilogy about Anakin, the next trilogy about Luke and then have the whole thing about Anakin. It's all or nothing. The focus of the first should move to Obi-Wan.

-Needed real sets/characters. I don't care how state of the art their CGI is, it looks very fake. I can live with ANH's wolfman, but Jar Jar looks painted on. Even now the OT aliens hold up. Some of them look goofy, but it just adds to the charm.

-Needed a different writer. Not to be mean, but I have a hard time believing that anyone read over that script. Even GL. The plot, dialoge... All of it. It was just garbage. It contradicted itself and the OT so many times that I have to just assume that he's never watched the original movies.

-Needed to get rid of the OT allusions: We don't need to see Boba, baby Greedo, Yoda, Jabba, Vader in his suit, C3-PO, R2-D2, Luke or Leia (I think I'm forgetting some...) to know what series we're watching. That's not a clever in-joke to all the Star Wars fans, that's... for lack of a decent vocabulary, stupid. Feels like they're using them for support. And... well, they are.

-Needed to stop ruining all the big surprises/plot points that make up the OT. It's a completely different trilogy. Make up some new material. It wouldn't have been that hard to side step most (and by most, I mean all) of those.

-Needed to tone down the fantasy and make the fights look a lot more realistic. It's all Jedi, twirling around yelling out puns. Remember the invasion of Hoth? The attacks on the Death Star? Now those were fight scenes.

-Needed to stop switching Sith every movie. Pick one and stick with him.

-Needed to lose the prophecy bulls**t. Someone, thousands of years ago, foresaw that Anakin would be born and that he would bring balance to the Force for about twenty years? Give me a break.

-Padme shouldn't have died just because she's sad. That doesn't make sense and that rips another hole in the continuity.

-Needed to drastically reduce the number of Jedi. Enh... It's too late to explain this one.

-Needed to cut out the midichlorians (sp?). Obviously.
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Awesome list, and I especially agree with the in-jokes to the OT. Lucas probably thought he was doing a good thing by tying elements together. He just didn't know what he was doing. He left so many gaping holes of continuity, yet he put in a whole bunch of crap that didn't need to be there, like all the things you mentioned. He just put them there for no reason, and that, in turn, gave him the need to change things in the OT to make up for them (i.e. The Fett Bunch). Plus, the entire reasoning is off. I mean, it's so obvious that the only reason they're there is so OT fans can go, "Hey, this is just like when..." But according to Lucas, you're supposed to watch them in numerical order. I think that's a stupid idea to begin with, and, if you do choose Lucas's way, then the "in-jokes" have no meaning behind them because there's no precedence for them. You can't have it both ways. You can't make references to your earlier movies, and convince your fans to watch the earlier movies last. It just doesn't make any sense.

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A different director. Oh wait, not even that could have saved it, because the story sucks something awful.


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Each PT movie basically needed 2 things that it lacked:

1. A writer.
2. A director.

In many ways this is why I still consider Ep2 to have the best story of the three, because at least he hired a writer - but he needed to hire one for Revenge, and for Phantom, and he should have hired directors.
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a coherent storyline with semi-plausible characters with slightly understandable motives

cgi used as a backup, not as a reason to make three films to sell your junk to other film-makers

an everyman character that points and cries " bullshit! " every now and then (ripped and paraphrased that one from Hammil)

someone that Lucas respected that wasn't counting on a cheque from George for their next meal, to have the knackers to say ' this sucks man. don't you want to do better ?'


to be honest, I think he got to the stage where he knows he could make a fifth rate movie, and it would still make crap loads of money, and sell a squillion copies when it went to dvd. He could film a carpark for 120 minutes, and people would still pay to see it. I honestly think he just hates us. Many people once they get to a certain stage of success do just loathe the so-called fans and their fawning admiration.


I saw the first two, and thought they were total shit, to the point of feeling embarrassed that I had sat through it and not walked out. Yet, I still paid to see the third one with my nephews while on a visit to their home state. I've seen other movies with them, but I'm sure in 20 years time, the only one we will remember seeing together will be that piece of junk. Ohh, and all laughing out loud when Vader goes " Noooo!". Maybe thats the bond we walked away with? " Man, that George is one angry clown."


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I dont personally mind the PT and when I watch them, I enjoy them, but it needed IMO for


The whole 6 hr + story to be written before the Trilogy started filming.

A more collaberative effort with more people sharing writing duties etc with George.
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i wish he never made the PT i really do. The orignal trilgy is dark and has the main people !! The PT does not feal or look like SW .
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That's true. Every minute of the PT has several thousand contradictions with the SW trilogy
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For me, the only thing the PT needed is for it's creator to actually care, and it's obvious he didn't. If it were me, my goal would be to make the best films possible. And that includes asking others for help and letting someone more talented than I make sure that they are done right. By George doing everything himself, it became clear that he didn't give a shit if they were good or not. And that's where the laundry list of problems arise. I have so many problems with the PT that's probably too long to list, but I'll do a few..

1) Obviously better writing, and directing. I would say acting, but the writing and directing (or lack there of) was so ridiculously terrible that I couldn't even begin to guage the acting.


2) Less CGI everything. Sets, characters, ships, ect. Episodes 2 & 3 looked like video games.


3) Episode 3 should have been Episode 2.


4) This is really one of my biggest complaints. Not enough humans. I'm not talking about too many CGI creatures, I'm saying to many creatures period. The OT had a more humanist feel to it, because we could relate to the people on the screen, whether it was an imperial officer reporting to Vader, and Hoth rebel getting mowed down by an AT-AT, or one of the heroes. It also gave charm to the scenes when there was an actual creature on screen. I'm for galactic diversity, but the PT was TOO diverse to the point that I couldn't relate to what was going on, much less that human actors can act better than cgi creatures. And let's forget about continuity, because it went out the window a long time ago.
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For me the issue isn't what the prequel trilogy needed. I came into the PT experience expecting nothing and hoping to be entertained with all-new material. I didn't even need the movies to be great or good. Phantom Menace is my favorite movie of the PT despite its large flaws. That's probably because it's more focused on entertaining people than making sure that we all know its fucking connected to Star Wars.

Instead, we had so many elements of the prequel trilogy simply and boringly rehashing what the original trilogy had already established in a superior way. That served no other purpose than to ruin the OT. That is something nobody needed.

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The PT needed to be NOT MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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needed to be more like the OT
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I agree about there being too much diversity in the PT, especially since it clashes with the human-centric universe of the original films. I'm sure it wasn't a purposeful choice to have so many humans in the OT, but that's the way it is. That's the universe that existed, and you kind of have to go with that. I mean, George has tried to add creatures into the OT, but it's usually in added scenes that don't connect with the rest of the movie. And you're left wondering why these creatures disappear immediately afterward and go back to human-centric worlds. Oh, wait, that just made me think of something. The extended Mos Eisley sequence is another one that ruins a setup, just like the Jabba scene ruins the reveal of Falcon. The intent of the cantina sequence was to suddenly go from a very human world to a very diverse world. That's why there were so many shots simply of aliens because you'd never seen them before. But then you have the new Mos Eisley entrance with these new creatures added in, and it dilutes the cantina just a bit. You've already seen a buttload of fantasy-based creatures.

But, yeah, the prequels just had to have some alteration on everybody that wasn't a major character. There were so many almost human with a slight difference races.

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yeah what i think the pt needed to make older fans happy was more puppets, thats it right there more puppets.


hahaha

but in all seriousness, the human centered uni we saw in the OT was a era thing caused by the empire.
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The human-centric "era" of the empire lasted for what . . . 17 years? How massive and important to the galactic scale.


Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But, yeah, the prequels just had to have some alteration on everybody that wasn't a major character. There were so many almost human with a slight difference races.


Is it just me, or did the alien Jedi display the most generic and uninspiring designs?

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Originally posted by: vote_for_palpatine

Episode I - Anakin at 19-20 years old. As millions of fans have observed many times.


Indeed. That’s at the heart of the character development issues AND the primary source of many items that contradict the OT.

Originally posted by: Bissrok-Needed to pick an audience. If you begin a trilogy with fart jokes and silly droid antics you can't end it with the main character butchering children and having the flesh burned from his body.


I couldn’t have said it better myself. Here’s my suggestion for changes it’s long so feel free to glance at it or ignore it altogether.

- The series should’ve started with the Clone Wars in progress.
- The Jedi are devastated after years of war with few members left in their ranks.
- Obi-Wan does some impulsive and dangerous shit every once in a while.
- It is made clear that Yoda was once Ben’s master.
- Anakin should’ve been from some planet other than Tatooine.
- Establish that Anakin and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Establish that Ben and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Ben discovers Anakin, sees that he’s a great star pilot and is amazed at how strong the force is with him.
- Ben should convince the council to let him train Anakin. Yoda will object, but will be overruled by the rest of the council because they are running low on Jedi.
- Ben and Anakin both fall in love with Princess Padme of Alderan.
- Ben realizes the danger and stops making advances on Padme. He tries to convince Anakin to stop as well, but Anakin thinks Ben is trying to trick him.
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Late in the trilogy Owen gets a land grant. It could be revealed that the grant is on Tatooine or it could remain secret until we see him in Episode4, but it is critical that Anakin doesn’t know where he went nor does he care where he went.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- In the duel with Ben Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.
- Anakin thinks Padme and Ben are dead, Alderan swears off the use of weapons and turns isolationist for a while, cutting itself off from the rest of the GFFA.
- Anakin looses body parts over the course of the films becoming more like the Vader we know and love, but the accident on Alderan messes him up on a whole new level.
- Padme and Ben both survive the accident on Alderan and Vader wants to confirm their deaths, but Alderan’s isolation prevents him form gaining access to the planet.
- When the twins are born Ben immediately senses how strong in the Force Luke is. He thinks Leia might have potential as well, but the force just pours off of baby Luke. Ben convinces Padme to let him take Luke.
- When the trilogy ends Ben has taken off with Luke, Padme stays on Aldrean with Leia and Vader is hunting Jedi.


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Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Here’s my suggestion for changes it’s long so feel free to glance at it or ignore it altogether.

- The series should’ve started with the Clone Wars in progress.
- The Jedi are devastated after years of war with few members left in their ranks.
- Obi-Wan does some impulsive and dangerous shit every once in a while.
- It is made clear that Yoda was once Ben’s master.
- Anakin should’ve been from some planet other than Tatooine.
- Establish that Anakin and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Establish that Ben and Owen had some sort of relationship.
- Ben discovers Anakin, sees that he’s a great star pilot and is amazed at how strong the force is with him.
- Ben should convince the council to let him train Anakin. Yoda will object, but will be overruled by the rest of the council because they are running low on Jedi.
- Ben and Anakin both fall in love with Princess Padme of Alderan.
- Ben realizes the danger and stops making advances on Padme. He tries to convince Anakin to stop as well, but Anakin thinks Ben is trying to trick him.
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Late in the trilogy Owen gets a land grant. It could be revealed that the grant is on Tatooine or it could remain secret until we see him in Episode4, but it is critical that Anakin doesn’t know where he went nor does he care where he went.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- In the duel with Ben Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.
- Anakin thinks Padme and Ben are dead, Alderan swears off the use of weapons and turns isolationist for a while, cutting itself off from the rest of the GFFA.
- Anakin looses body parts over the course of the films becoming more like the Vader we know and love, but the accident on Alderan messes him up on a whole new level.
- Padme and Ben both survive the accident on Alderan and Vader wants to confirm their deaths, but Alderan’s isolation prevents him form gaining access to the planet.
- When the twins are born Ben immediately senses how strong in the Force Luke is. He thinks Leia might have potential as well, but the force just pours off of baby Luke. Ben convinces Padme to let him take Luke.
- When the trilogy ends Ben has taken off with Luke, Padme stays on Aldrean with Leia and Vader is hunting Jedi.


Heh, I was just thinking to myself how the clone wars should have been in progress at the beginning. Now that I'm thinking about it, I believe I expected that before the Phantom Menace was released. Oh well.

Anyways, those are great ideas. If I ever write a fan-fiction of my own I migt have to steal some of those. So many of us could have written a better outline for the PT than George Lucas.

"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself.  It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005

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An easier question would be: What DIDN'T the PT need? There's almost nothing right about the PT, in my opinion, except maybe the casting of Liam Neeson and Ewan McGregor. Casting Christopher Lee, Terence Stamp, Pernilla August and Jimmy Smits were good moves as well, but their talents were wasted.

I agree that there should have been a Padme/Anakin/Ben love triangle- with both Ben and Ani falling in love with Padme. I was sort of expecting that to happen in AOTC, but NOOOOOO! That would have actually added some depth to the OT storyline- instead of sucking the life out of it by just spoiling all of it's plot twists. Yet another interesting plot opportunity wasted.

I also agree that Anakin shouldn't have known about Padme's pregnancy...and she shouldn't have died IMMEDIATELY after giving birth....*sigh*

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Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- The duel with Ben & Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.


I have to say, these three had not occurred to me. I'm not sure I like the idea of a fall to the Dark Side being inspired by getting the attention of a girl. They could fight over her, sure, I'm all for that! But what on earth would Ben be doing that Anakin would need the Dark Side to beat? Impress her with his Sith Cutlery skills? Oh, hang on...

I'm sure the Jedi Academy would have a Sex Ed. module ("Erect it will become...").

And I don't see the point of the last one at all. I'm afraid it seems a bit overblown to me. A bit silly.

I can relate to most of the others, though.
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I don't think they should have ever even said that Padme was pregnant. To backtrack, they should of shown Vader killing some of the Jedi, but not all. I'm sure we could have filled in the gap by ourselves, when we see how, twenty years later, they're all but extinct. Anyway, if there had been a few Jedi left by the end of the PT, and the last time we see Padme she ISN'T pregnant, we hear that Luke's father was killed by Vader and we never hear his name until ROTJ... You still keep the surprise. And even then, we wouldn't suspect that he has a sister.

But I think Anakin should have been from Tatooine. Owen's a farmer, and by the way he talked about the Jedi, I just assumed that's the way it had always been. I don't think he would have been out on Naboo flying around with Anakin. Because no one would want to move to Tatooine to start up a moisture farm. Unless of course he was just doing it to hide Luke's identity. But if he had done all that for Luke, I think he would have been a little friendlier to the kid.
So, I have to assume that Owen's from Tatooine and, being that they're about the same age, he must have been really good friends with Anakin. Anakin must have done something important, like save Owen's life, so that when Obi-Wan comes to him with Anakin's son, he agrees to take him in. And, if he's done something big, he must have done it with Obi-Wan around, or he'd never think to bring Luke to him in the first place.
But, then that contradicts Obi-Wan's statement in ROTJ. Anakin can't be the best pilot in the galaxy when he met him, because he's just a little kid (already excluding the pod racing because a kid shouldn't be driving one of those and even if he can, it doesn't make him the best pilot in the galaxy). What could he do on Tatooine that makes him a great pilot? What could he do to impress Obi-Wan so much that he's convinced that Anakin is the galaxy's greatest pilot? Honestly, I don't care. So, for this, I'd be fine with them screwing over the OT. And it's only ROTJ, so it's not that big of a deal.

As for Yoda, I think they shouldn't have shown him at all. They should have just mentioned that he's their most powerful Jedi every once and awhile throughout the PT. Have him live off world, on some planet with no other sentinent beings. If he's that powerful and old, he probably doesn't care about sitting around discussion trade route politics. And that way, by the time you get to ESB, it's an even bigger surprise when you find out who the Jedi's most powerful Jedi is. Oh, and have someone mention that Yoda's dying. That way, Vader has no reason to hunt him down (even though he goes to hide on Dagobah, just in case). So, you assume he's dead by the time the OT comes around. But then you see him in ESB and by ROTJ you find out he's prolonged his life using the Force. But after twenty something years, he can't extend it any further.

As for Anakin's age at the begining of the PT... If he's the main character, he should be in his twenties. But I still say Obi-Wan should be the main character. And there needs to be a big chunk of time spent training in there. In the OT, they're desperate. At the height of their power, I'd think they would spend a lot more time training them and teaching them their philosophy. You could make it so that he's already in the Order and has already had years of training, but I kind of liked seeing how he joined them. I could really go either way, though. My only problem with him in TPM was that he was just an annoying little brat. Had they taken that out and hadn't had him following the main characters around throughout the rest of the movie, I would have been fine with him.
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Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle
Originally posted by: Darth-Adroit
- Anakin can’t seem to best Ben so he seeks out the dark side in order to win the love of Padme.
- Padme succumbs to Anakin’s advances and he knocks her up, but he doesn’t know it.
- The duel with Ben & Anakin causes a Star Destroyer or something to destroy the Alderan Royal Palace killing either the King or the Queen.


I have to say, these three had not occurred to me. I'm not sure I like the idea of a fall to the Dark Side being inspired by getting the attention of a girl. They could fight over her, sure, I'm all for that! But what on earth would Ben be doing that Anakin would need the Dark Side to beat? Impress her with his Sith Cutlery skills? Oh, hang on...

I'm sure the Jedi Academy would have a Sex Ed. module ("Erect it will become...").

And I don't see the point of the last one at all. I'm afraid it seems a bit overblown to me. A bit silly.

I can relate to most of the others, though.


I'm glad you liked a few of them. Now onto your other points.

We already had a love triangle established as a point of contention in the OT. I fought to get the woman that is now my wife and I’m damn glad I did it. I’ve found that most things worth having are worth fighting for. Have you never been infatuated with a woman that is in turn infatuated with another man? Have you ever heard the song “My Best Friends Girl (and she used to be mine)” by the Cars? Love triangles lead people to the “Dark Side” on Earth all the time.

How can the Dark Side get Anakin a girl? Probably the same way Karate lessons got that goof-ball a girl in the Karate Kid. It works like this; Anakin wants Padme, Padme wants Ben, Ben is a stronger Jedi than Anakin, Anakin turns to the Dark Side in the hopes of gaining the power to kick Ben’s Ass thus eliminating his only competition. The logic seems pretty clear to me. Is it a little simplistic? You bet, but I think it’s better than what we have:

Anakin: What have I done?....What is thy bidding my master.

The last point may seem simple and it is. In my vision of the PT there is a reason that Princess Leia is a Princess and there is a reason that Alderan is pacifist. My solution may not be the best, but it’s better than what George came up with; Queen is later revealed to be an elected Queen, then she’s a Senator, then her daughter is adopted by another Senator and so that daughter is a Princess? WTF? Should I start calling her Princess Chelsea Clinton? It should also be noted that nations on Earth have become neutral and passive for less significant reasons than the death of the head of state.

I came up with this crap at four in the morning on hour 10 of a 12 hour shift. I’m sure I could come up with something better if given the time and the inclination.


Originally posted by: Bissrok
But I think Anakin should have been from Tatooine. Owen's a farmer, and by the way he talked about the Jedi, I just assumed that's the way it had always been. I don't think he would have been out on Naboo flying around with Anakin. Because no one would want to move to Tatooine to start up a moisture farm. Unless of course he was just doing it to hide Luke's identity. But if he had done all that for Luke, I think he would have been a little friendlier to the kid.


I was going for the idea that Anakin and Owen are half-brothers. Same mother, different fathers and they are rivals to be the “Man” of the house. They live in the projects of some Core World. Their only dream is to create their own destiny. Owen wants the opportunity to get out of the Core and to own his own land. If one lives in a Crack House on Coruscant being a Moisture Farmer on some remote system sounds real good. So Owen busts his ass, passes a civil service test and works hard to earn a land grant. Perhaps they tell him that he’ll get land on a lush planet like Naboo. As a veteran I can tell you that the promises made by recruiters seldom match the reality. Perhaps that’s part of the pity that we feel for Owen when we see ANH. He did the right thing and he still got screwed. It happens to many people (Soldiers, Cops, Fire Fighters, Teachers, et al) in many societies everyday.

Anakin goes with the quicker and less honorable path. He flies Star Fighters on escort missions for “Spice Freighters”, which is a nicer way to say Spice Smugglers. This is based on what Luke said in ANH:

LUKE: No, my father didn't fight in the wars. He was a navigator on a spice freighter.

Owen told Luke a half-truth because saying that Anakin was a navigator sounds better than saying he was a Spice Smuggler. So Ben is out patrolling on the Outer Rim when his task force receives a distress signal from a “Spice Convoy” under attack. When they arrive the entire Spice Convoy has been devastated by Pirates or some such. There is only one ship left from the original convoy, he’s outnumbered by 10 to 1 and he’s actually holding his own. Ben’s force chases of the Pirates and the stellar star pilot is revealed to be…you guessed it..ANAKIN. Ben is amazed at the performance he put on, but he’s even more surprised by how strong the force is in this young man. Knowing that the Jedi have been devastated by the ongoing Clone Wars Ben tries to recruit Anakin for their cause. Anakin says he’ll consider it, but he wants to discuss the idea with his mother.

Ben and Anakin arrive and find that Anakin’s mother has been killed by a crack whore or some shit. Owen argues that the family now needs Anakin more that ever, but Anakin blames Owen for the death of his mother and with her gone he doesn’t see any reason to stay. So Anakin hates Owen, Owen hates Anakin for abandoning the family and Owen hates Ben because he blames him for taking Anakin away when his family needs him the most.

That’s probably not the best scenario on Earth, but at least it doesn’t contradict what we know about Ben, Anakin and Owen from the OT. The way the PT was written Ben is just a fucking liar in the OT.


EDIT: I forgot to respond to Bissrok


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- Darth-Adroit

“I also thought George could be turned back to the good side. It couldn't be done. He is more CGI now than story. Twisted and evil.”
- Darth-Adroit