What changes would you make to the Sequels?

What changes would you make to the Disney Sequel Trilogy?

i would have made the Sequels before the Prequels movies with Mark Hamill Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford still being young i would make these Sequels come out during the earlys 1990s

Luke would be a Jedi Master by having several Jedi apprentices but not in big numbers like Prequel Jedi kind of like Jedi Academy EU Books with him having a small group of Padawan Jedi apprentices

Palpatine does not resurrect i dont really care about the Chosen One Prophecy of the Prequels but i wish there was not Sith in this era i want Sith to be rare also not Han Solo Son turning to the Dark Side the Villains would be something similar to the First Order being inspired by the Empire but they are not technically the Empire the leader of this organization would be a character similar to Thrawn

Luke Jedi Order dont follow Prequel Jedi rules they can get married they can have attachments i would like Luke to having a Son

the New Republic dominates the Galaxy they are not destroyed like Disney Sequels and they help Luke to fight with the new Villains

Han and Leia also have Kids and they train with Luke

What other changes you would make to the Sequels?

Honestly, I’d probably go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. If I was making the sequels 30 years after the OT, I might still use the ST’s main cast of characters, but beyond that, the plot would be completely different, utilizing different elements of the best EU stories.

Some things that I would change were things that I believe were pretty clearly being hinted at in ‘The Force Awakens’ but were not picked up on for VIII and IX. Rey was clearly being touted as a Skywalker, possibly Luke’s daughter. Finn and Rey had romantic feelings for each other, and Finn had potential to be a future Jedi. The are lots of other tweaks I would’ve made (the biggest is bringing Palpatine back, truly the ‘jumping the shark’ of the SW universe), clearly the movies suffered from not truly having the entire story mapped out, but letting each director kind of ‘wing it’ as they went along

In keeping with the Flash Gordon origins, I would definitely have Palpatine as the villain. I wouldn’t change Snoke in the first one. Or the First Order. But it needed a tad more politics so we know the state of the Republic. I think I’d have Leia as a Senator as well as leading the Resistance. I would have stuck with the twins from the EU. The girl would be learning politics with Leia and the Boy has fallen to the Dark Side (just as thing start.

From there, big changes. The First Order destroys the Republic Capitol, but the Republic is fighting back as the First Order tries to take over. A year passes to the second movie. Rey goes on a quest for Luke and finds him. He is at first unwilling to teach her, but take Yoda’s message about teaching your failures and have that message be from Leia. THEN you have Yoda and/or Anakin there as Rey gets a more proper training. Ending with Luke accompanying her to save Leia and the others and actually dying in conflict where he shows in person the epic power of a Jedi Master. It turns the tide of the invasion. At the same time hints from the first movie build in this movie that Snoke, only seen as a Hologram, is not who we think he is, but no big reveal, just lots of foreshadowing.

The final movie would be about the final battle. I like the doomsday fleet idea so I’d keep it. I like the fleet of small ships. But it wouldn’t be some impossible to reach location, it would be some far off outter rim secret base and the Republic fleet attacks and is losing until the civilian fleet joins them. Rey faces off with Palpatine and wins. I really love he being backed by the Jedi spirits (Not sure I like some of the fan edit version, there is likely a better way) and I love the 2 saber deflection of his force energy deflecting and feeding back on him making him destroy himself. A very Jedi move that was just perfect.

I like Finn. I’d keep him and most of his story, but Trevorrow’s script had a good bit. I’d have him be more obviously force sensitive and start training with Rey at the start of this film. I’d do more with the defected First Order stormtroopers and they would have some crucial role in the final battle… not on horseback unless it is on the surface of a planet. I liked that bit but to many did not.

The other details I’d have to work out. I’m not sure what other parts I’d have. With the destruction of the Republic Capitol, Leia would become Chancellor. I’m not sure what to do with Han, but having him back out getting in trouble wouldn’t be my line of thinking. I’d have him make some heroic sacrifice that changes the course of things.

I would’ve made the controversial decision of moving away from the OT characters and tell a story focusing entirely on brand new characters and reducing callbacks to their bare minimum.

• Give Jakku a different biome
• Rey would initially live with her parents, who wouldn’t be anyone of importance.
• Instead of neo-Imperials, the villain would be an ancient, pre-Sith evil. The being that corrupted the first Sith.
• I’d have the formation of the New Republic and New Jedi Order occur during the movies rather than them coming and going offscreen.

Luke as a Jedi Master teaching a new generation of Jedi restoring the order. Leia as Chancellor of the New Republic, Han Solo as a leader in the New Republic Navy.

The rest of the plot didn’t need to follow the EU generally.

There is plenty of room to make up a story around the OT heroes without erasing their accomplishments and making them worthless. Luke doesn’t need to be a superhero just to be Luke and a wise teacher, kind and generous.

Write the story around the original actors so the new protagonists fit the established world Lucas created. At least they should have prominent supporting roles. Not one off cameos for shock value in killing them off. They don’t all have to survive the trilogy but there had to be a better way of passing the torch without killing the past.

I’d have been happy with scene setting in the TFA, the layout of the galaxy actually explained, to give some emotion for when New Republic Govt and its fleet are wiped out. To feel the consequences of it, to give it some weight. With Starkiller Base being replaced by some with a super weapon that is a little more fresh than making a large planet into yet another Death Star.

Apart from some of the jokes in TLJ, and the Canto Bight scenes, which were okay, but didn’t quite land for me, I’d leave TLJ alone as it is. Maybe with more leanings of stormtrooper unease in the First Order’s ranks.

I’d go with a riff on DOTF, more than TROS for the finale. Play up that stormtrooper unease and eventual revolt. Maybe even have some old Imperial ships from the Outer Rim and beyond join the FO in the fight, to further explain what has been going on in the galaxy, and to give some credibility to the FO’s survival, their eventual return, and ease of which they defeated the New Republic in TFA.

Honestly I’m going to probably get hate for this but I’d go with luca’s scripts for 7 8 9 and still keep it lucas with out making the movies turn out bad because of certain things because it would have been interesting to see. still have the actors for Rey Poe Finn rose etc. somehow find a way to get into these films but be written better than they were in the current films. of course they’d be different characters in these films and there you go.

I didn’t really like anything about the Sequels except a few very general concepts, which are: (1) A female Jedi protagonist with no family relation to any previous characters, (2) A defecting Stormtrooper as a main character, and (3) a Non-Sith order of Dark Side users called the Knights of Ren, that use blasters as well as lightsabers.

I’d take these basic ingredients and merge them with an extremely simplified version of the Thrawn trilogy adapted to incorporate the new characters, with the OT characters in supporting roles, and replacing Jorus C’Baoth with the leader of the Knights of Ren (who could still be Leia and Han’s son). I also don’t like the name “Rey”, so I’d use Rey’s original name which was Kira.

Episode 7 would begin with the New Republic as the dominant galactic power, and we’d get to know the new characters. The story would revolve around an old star-map that Kira finds in the ruins on the junkyard world where she lives. Except this map is not “a map to Luke Skywalker” (which never made any sense). Rather, it’s the location of the former Emperor’s secret storehouse on Wayland. Episode 7 would end with Leia commanding a fleet that defeats Thrawn over the planet Wayland, but Thrawn secretly found what he was looking for in the Emperor’s storehouse. And Kira would go off to train with Luke.

Episode 8 would have an A-story about the race to find the lost Katana fleet (which in this version is a secret experimental fleet developed by the Empire comprising thousands of Star Destroyers that are networked together enabling them to be remotely piloted and coordinate automatically), and a B-story about Kira training with Luke. It would end with Thrawn victoriously gaining control of the Katana fleet, with the implication that he can now conquer the New Republic.

Episode 9 would be about the battle to retake Coruscant, with Luke’s new protege now a fully-fledged Jedi.

I’d probably still have Han Solo die, but in Episode 8. Luke and Leia would both survive, and Leia would become the Chancellor of the New Republic at the end of Episode 9.

I’d probably just drop the whole “Rey parentage” mystery altogether and make her explicitly a Solo. And I’ve give Luke a son named Ben. And in general, I’d try to keep the Solo/Skywalker family close to one another and show a strong sense of camaraderie between them. That’s something that’s been sorely missing from the canon. By the end of RotJ, those characters are really close to each other, and that should be carried on to the next generation. Kylo Ren (or whatever I’d call him) would be the one exception to this. It would make his going astray feel more impactful if the rest of the family is together and functional.

What should Rey’s purpose in the wider saga be?

Since they decided she is ‘all the Jedi’ then logically she needs to become one with the Force or something.

SparkySywer said:

What should Rey’s purpose in the wider saga be?

I’d just have her as Luke’s apprentice/niece from the start. The newly defected Finn meets her while she’s on a mission.

As for the wider saga, she’d be basically the heir to the Skywalker legacy like she was in the ST we got. Luke would be the Jedi grandmaster who’s training students, but he’d name Rey as his successor to lead the Jedi when he’s gone. There wouldn’t be any actual Sith involved in the story, so the Chosen One prophecy is still intact. And I’d go out of my way to more fully distinguish any Force-using villains from the Sith, both culturally and ideologically. Rey helps defeat them, helps maintain the New Republic, and so becomes the protector of what her family has helped build. Then she gets together with Finn, and so through them, the Skywalker line continues, and you’re left with the impression that the family will continue to preserve the peace they’ve created for the generations to come.

Thought about this a lot, and admittedly I only watched each film once and then tried to forget them.

That being said, as I remember it, the easiest change would be to change the baddy from being Palpitine to instead be Darth Plagueis. As mentioned by Palpitine to Anakin. If you remember he was able to use the force to create life. So he is the emperors hidden master. You could even still use Ian McDiarmid if you wanted. Then I would make the Emperor a clone, and make both Anakin and Ray both creations of Plegueis Just like the emperor said he was able to do. That would in a sense make them related and at least legitimize her being a Skywalker. Again in a sense as that makes Anakin her brother.

One of the points of the story now being that good and bad can’t be predetermined by your parents or your supposed destiny which the sith always shout about. That is a nice message. Pleagueis could have played on her need for a family as he would still be her father, but then it would also more closely echo’s Anakin’s ultimate journey too.

Listen it’s not a lot to work with as the stories were basically set up to fail in my mind by starting with a lazy and ultimately cynical retelling of the original story from the start, probably encouraged by Disney. Then just the hamfisted and missed opportunity of the first film. Never seeing the main 3 characters together. Finally there is the unforgivable steps of destroying the character of both male leads, of which I lead stronger of the belief that this was done on purpose and with malice. And don’t get me wrong I have no problem with a strong female lead, honestly loved Daisy Ridley, was excited when she was cast and feel like of everything on those films she was the biggest lost opportunity. I also hate that she now seems to be typecast as I would love to see her do some other stuff. Also Ahsoka is my second favorite Star Wars character, Luke being the first. So no you didn’t need to destroy the old trilogy and their protagonists to serve the new, and I believe it was agenda driven myself. The T-shirt was a tell, and I don’t care if it was some advertising campaign or not. I have no problem if you feel differently.

I also feel it was a mistake humanizing the storm troopers, the implications change the films when you realize they are all getting slaughtered and most of them are basically slaves. But then this would require an amount of thoughtfulness that I see no evidence JJ Abrams has. The second film is basically and FU to the original films by an overrated director who says as much. Frankly it’s hard to see any of the films any other way then that the people involved had no love for the original trilogy and it was just a big Disney money grab. But whatever I don’t count them anyway and am no longer fans of the people who made them. The niceness thing you can say about the people who made them was that they were amateurish, at least in my mind.

Still my little change at least removes some of the nonsense of Ray being Palppy’s kid. It also lessons the impact of the Emperors surviving which basically make the original trilogy only about Anikan. I mean it can even be explained that Plaguis knew if he had an apprentice he was at risk because of the rule of 2. So he cloned himself and intended to remove the clone when the time was right or something stupid like that. The idea being that the emperor didn’t even know he was a clone. Then Darth Snookie or whatever the fake emperor was in the first movie could be the result of centuries of cloning himself. Bringing balance is about finally destroying him as he has been cloning himself and influencing the galaxy for centuries. Whatever, it’s contrived but still better then what we got.

Truthfully anything is better, but I think the people involved with the property now are hacks. Again I get it if you disagree, this is just MY opinion.

The thing is Force Awakens and Last Jedi are far from perfect but the third film should have been where they should have stuck the landing. Instead they made a film worse than Return of the Jedi. I like Rey more as the adopted niece and a nobody than a Palpatine. Finn isn’t the only character they failed they also just about erased Rose. I mean i get it its Rey’s story and Finn and Rose are supporting roles, but they got even worse than Han and Leia did in ROTJ.

The third one introduced new characters i very much liked like Zorri Bliss, and Jannah. But in adding more characters it was overstuffed no room for Rose Tico?

JadedSkywalker said:

The thing is Force Awakens and Last Jedi are far from perfect but the third film should have been where they should have stuck the landing. Instead they made a film worse than Return of the Jedi. I like Rey more as the adopted niece and a nobody than a Palpatine. Finn isn’t the only character they failed they also just about erased Rose. I mean i get it its Rey’s story and Finn and Rose are supporting roles, but they got even worse than Han and Leia did in ROTJ.

The third one introduced new characters i very much liked like Zorri Bliss, and Jannah. But in adding more characters it was overstuffed no room for Rose Tico?

most films are worse than Return of the Jedi