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What are all the given figures for hyperdrive speed?

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Hello, there! Some pals and I are having the quintessential Start Trek vs. Star Wars argument, and the issue of speed came up. I've since been trying to gather all exact terms for the speed of a ship in hyperspace. I've found three so far, but I was hoping any EU aficionados would be able to complete the list. THIS WILL NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BECOME AN STVSW THREAD. I am simply here to discover the facts on the Star Wars side. I'll gather the Star Trek measurements on my own. By "exact terms" I mean either an explicitly stated speed, or the exact time given to cover an exact distance. Also note that I'm excluding N-Level Canon sources. The three I've found are*:

1.) 20,000 light-years in 3 hours (58,880,000c) [Bloodlines]
2.) 127 light-years per hour (1,121,664c) [Dark Force Rising]
3.) 350 light-years in 5 days (25,760c) [Heir to the Empire]

*These measurements take into account that a standard day and year in the GFFA are 24 hours and 368 days respectively, as given in the C-Level RPG. For those unfamiliar with the terminology, "c" is the speed of light, or 299,792,458 meters per second.
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Han Solo: "She'll make point five past lightspeed."
"It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!"

:D :D :D

Such discussion is pointless: while ST aims to be a little scientific (because it's targeted to such audience), SW is pure action & fun.

I also hate those "neo-technical" Star Wars geeks - with that "Imperator-class", "Star Dreadnought", "TIE Fighter's wings are heat radiators, not solar energy collectors" etc. bullsh*t. Trying so hard to bend the movies so that they're logical according to our world's physics etc.

You can just as well argue who's more powerful: Harry Potter or Gandalf the Gray.

But if you're so willing to find out, have you tried here?
http://theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html

If it's not working, here's a copy from google's cache:

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:dovFMFsuUCEJ:theforce.net/swtc/hyperspace.html+hyperspace+site:theforce.net/swtc/&hl=pl&gl=pl&strip=1
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You can just as well argue who's more powerful: Harry Potter or Gandalf the Gray.

That's ridiculous! Gandalf by leaps and bounds.
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SWEET! A Star Trek VS. Star Wars thread!

Hmm, where do we start? I suppose I better start by taking the ST is better stance, since this is a Star Wars website ST is bound to be under represented.

Star Trek is cool because it represents a functioning Utopian society where everyone works their butts off to improve mankind and so on. It is even cooler that all these people whether they are high ranking crew members of a Starship or the looser who cleans the sonic toilets, they are all getting paid nothing and yet they are still incredible proud of their careers. How many times in Star Trek has somebody told one of the Captians, "Capt., if you do this then you can kiss your precious career at Star Fleet goodbye."? A variation of that line could almost be found at least once in every season of each of the various ST series. You have got to love that kind of dedication these guys have! You have also got to love how lax Star Fleet is on their regulations. How many times can a Star Fleet officer say, "to hell with their orders" and get away with it? I think if we are ever to find the answer to that we are going to need a ST series to last a LOT longer than just eight years.

These things make ST great. Star Wars is too realistic. An Imperial Officer messes up just once he gets Force strangled to death. No Imperial Officer has EVER said anything along the lines of "to hell with their orders", he is to worried about carrying out every single order to 100% perfection to avoid sudden death to be considering the possibility of thinking about maybe even letting the idea of insurrection or even "skipping a step" of any given order cross his mind.

In Star Trek if you don't want to die, all you have to do is avoid wearing red (And I am not just talking about lousy awayteam members. Does anybody remember what color Spock was wearing when he died? Yup, red). In Star Wars the potential for death awaits you regardless of clothing color. Obi-Wan wore brown, Biggs wore orange, Vader wore black, Yoda wore a sort of off white potato sack, and the Emporer was wearing grayish blue, and they are all dead.

In ST a collective society is unrealistically considered a fantastic thing and a product of evolution, in SW a similar society is considered something worth dying to rebel against.

In ST you can make any number of different aliens by gluing on fake years, antea, pig noses, or monkey ears, everyone looks very much like humans, only different. In Star Wars there are all sorts of creepy looking aliens of all different shapes and sizes, one even looks like an impressive cross between a sock puppet and a chicken. Surely if there were real aliens somewhere in the universe there is bound to be a species that would appear to human eyes to be a cross between a sock puppet and a chicken. The amazing thing is some EU writer actually wrote a love story between the sock puppet chicken alien and the werewolf. As I read this story I was standing beside myself in awe that such tripe would every be published, but to be perfectly honest, I could imagine if there really were erewolf aliens, they might find sock puppet chickens to be very attractive. Realistic or not, I stopped reading all EU after this.

So, my conslusion is that SW is way too realistic. While Star Trek may aim for realism on scientific things, Star Was wins realism for everything else. The peaceful hidden slaughterhouse that is the politics of ST and much more settling and enjoyable to watch than the terrible and brutal reality of SW's Galactic Empire that pratices enthic cleansing, conscription (pre-PT anyway), and brutal means of meeting their desired ends. Sometimes the truth is not what we want to hear. So excuse me as I go stick my head in the sand and watch me some Star Trek.

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Ahem...

Johnboy3434 said:

THIS WILL NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BECOME AN STVSW THREAD.
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As much as amusing C3PX's reply may be, it makes valid points - especially in the last paragraph. ST is a scientist/intellectualist's utopia, where humanity dropped all wars to reach for the stars... technology will save you, friend. The world can only get better etc. Yet it uses the "science" part of sci-fi better than SW, which is only supposed to "look cool hi-tech" with a large dose of mythology mixed in (so it's the "fiction" part of sci-fi).
As such those both worlds should not be ever compared.
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RRS-1980 said:

As such those both worlds should not be ever compared.


:( Work with me on this one.

Next I shall make a comparison between Wookies and Klingons... COMING SOON!

Why shouldn't the two ever be compared? From a storytelling standpoint the two are incredibly comparable, and nobody is going to grow hair on their palms for doing so, oddly on the internet the thought of comparing the two has almost become that taboo.

I would have never in my wildest dreams thought of making any ST vs. SW comparisions in this thread until Johnboy CAPSED OUT the importance of not doing so, then it became far too tempting.

I think it is silly to compare fictional science (which fictional universe has the faster ships, could the MF beat the Enterprise in a race), but comparing social aspects of the universe can be quite interesting. You can really see the different direction Roddenbury and Lucas were coming from, two similar universes, but two very different takes on them. The varying world views and social ideas of the two men is very facinating.

Back on topic, The Millenium Falcon is the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy. That means it is faster than Star Trek's ships. How fast exactly, we have no idea, but it is described as superlatively fast. So I would say your debate is solved, SW's speed system is faster.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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...but Spaceball One beats it with its light speed>ridiculous speed>ludicrous speed... not to mention jumping to plad.

IIRC from the "Behind the Magic" 'pedia, craft equipped with fastest hyperdrive units can go from one far side of the galaxy "disc" to the other in just few days.
But then: how big is SW galaxy? ;)
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according to some star wars is either about democracy or Fascism and star trek is anti christian, anti capitalist and communistic.

star wars is also about elitest demi gods, where democracy is a joke and does not work according to the guy who wrote for the prosecution in the star wars on trial book.

cannot remember his name he is a famous Hard SF author who contributed to the galactic gasbag blog.

in star trek warp 9 is nine times the speed of light, never mind the laughable transwarp type drive in voyager where with borg tech they went like warp 30.

hyperspace is as old as the science fiction genre being roughly equivalent to the speed of light .

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I'm sorry by Warp 9 is much faster than 9c. According to the formula the TNG scriptwriters used:

v=[wf]^(10/3)*c

Meaning the speed of a starship is the cubic root of the warp factor raised to the tenth power multiplied by the speed of light. At Warp 9, this comes out to 729c[cbrt(9)], or about 1,516 times the speed of light.

According to the formula the TOS scriptwriters used:

v=[wf]^3*c

Meaning the speed of a starship is the warp factor cubed and then multiplied by the speed of light. At Warp 9, this comes out to 729 times the speed of light. Either way, that's much faster than your claim.
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i did not not that as i'm not a trekkie and don't actually have the fake science literature on hand, i was quoting something orson scott card said from on writing science fiction.

you know the fairly famous guy who wrote enders game.

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Johnboy3434 said:

THIS WILL NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, BECOME AN STVSW THREAD.


So much for that idea :p
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These things make ST great. Star Wars is too realistic. An Imperial Officer messes up just once he gets Force strangled to death. No Imperial Officer has EVER said anything along the lines of "to hell with their orders", he is to worried about carrying out every single order to 100% perfection to avoid sudden death to be considering the possibility of thinking about maybe even letting the idea of insurrection or even "skipping a step" of any given order cross his mind.


One wonders in what military the summary strangulation of officers is considered "realistic," but I'll let that pass.

It is an exaggeration to say that if an Imperial officers messes up once, he gets strangled. We have seen very few Imperial officials strangle members of the Imperial Armed Forces. The chief offender is probably Vader; others may exist, but I cannot recall them. Vader's wrath may have been legendary, but he was still only one person, and there were billions in the Imperial Armed Forces. Most Imperial officers, especially those below flag and general rank, could safely trust that they would never meet Vader. They would not be motivated by fear of Vader, any more than a modern officer of the United States is afraid of Robert Gates writing him a bad OER.

We should also not assume that the all Imperial officials were as intemperate as Vader--or that they all enjoyed his protection from prosecution. Vader was the Emperor's pet, known to the galaxy as the last loyal Jedi and to the elite as the Emperor's Sith protege. He was effectively immune to retaliation from those he wronged. Most other Imperial officials would not have this protection--they would be subject to Imperial law which, we suspect, proscribes the summary execution officers, or at least limits that power to the very highest echelons of power. Bound by law and the threat of vengeance, other officials would temper their behavior and simply not commit murder when a court martial and death sentence would do.

The Star Wars films portray a tiny segment of the Imperial Armed Forces, that which interacts with Darth Vader, and that segment should not be considered entirely representative of the whole.
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C3PX said:

RRS-1980 said:

As such those both worlds should not be ever compared.



Back on topic, The Millenium Falcon is the fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy. That means it is faster than Star Trek's ships. How fast exactly, we have no idea, but it is described as superlatively fast. So I would say your debate is solved, SW's speed system is faster.


Non sequitur. They take place in different epochs, in different galaxies. Solo was comparing the MF to other hunks of junk, a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. The Enterprise is not a hunk of junk*, and it exists in this galaxy, in the future.

* Although occasional Klingon military intelligence reports indicated that the starship Enterprise was to be towed away as garbage, it is now believed these reports were filed by a disgruntled space warfare officer who was dishonored by James Kirk.
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Well, it would take Voyager about 70 years at maximum warp to travel from the delta quadrant back home. Apparently Han can fly to the other side of the galaxy far far away almost instantly. I don't know how fast the light travels in the Star Wars universe or how big the galaxies are but I would say the Millenium Falcon is way faster than any Star Trek vessel. But ofcourse a Borg transwarp hub is a faster way to travel but it's not nearly is practical as the Millenium Flacon.
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