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It is, but since you've already seen it :D

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twooffour said:

Why does Qui-Gon say "no thought of self" right after talking about the possibility of "avoiding oblivion" while retaining consciousness, and DEMONSTRATING THAT HIMSELF WHILE HE'S SPEAKING? 

I think this one at least can slide. Quiggy's talk about "no thought of self" is probably about the absence of desires for material pleasures, possessions, rewards, things like that. 

Of course, the whole retain-your-personality-and-obtain-immortality thing smacks of "thought of self" so ...

 

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Heh :)

I guess it's pretty safe to say that, had this scene been included into the movie, it probably would've get "reworked" a bit into a less embarassing form.

The dialogue in the PT often gets woolly and bland, and obviously there are plot holes everywhere, but I can't recall one instance where it's THIS painful. Probably is what it is, a dropped draft.

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Ziggy Stardust said:

Sluggo said:

*Why does NOOOOOO!!!! have to be the reoccurring theme of the PT?  Lame.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

twooffour said:

Why does Qui-Gon say "no thought of self" right after talking about the possibility of "avoiding oblivion" while retaining consciousness, and DEMONSTRATING THAT HIMSELF WHILE HE'S SPEAKING? 

I think this one at least can slide. Quiggy's talk about "no thought of self" is probably about the absence of desires for material pleasures, possessions, rewards, things like that. 

Of course, the whole retain-your-personality-and-obtain-immortality thing smacks of "thought of self" so ... 

Selflessness and continuing to exist are in now way at odds with eachother.

"Hey Dalai Lama! If you're so selfless how come you're eating that sandwich!?  And give me your shoes!"

There's only a contradiction if we, the fans, chose to intentionally interpret it in a way that is stupid.

We also don't have any systematic rules on how the afterlife works, so this is another example of fans making up rules that don't match the story, and then being angry that they aren't followed.

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TheBoost said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

twooffour said:

Why does Qui-Gon say "no thought of self" right after talking about the possibility of "avoiding oblivion" while retaining consciousness, and DEMONSTRATING THAT HIMSELF WHILE HE'S SPEAKING? 

I think this one at least can slide. Quiggy's talk about "no thought of self" is probably about the absence of desires for material pleasures, possessions, rewards, things like that. 

Of course, the whole retain-your-personality-and-obtain-immortality thing smacks of "thought of self" so ... 

Selflessness and continuing to exist are in now way at odds with eachother.

"Hey Dalai Lama! If you're so selfless how come you're eating that sandwich!?  And give me your shoes!"

There's only a contradiction if we, the fans, chose to intentionally interpret it in a way that is stupid.

We also don't have any systematic rules on how the afterlife works, so this is another example of fans making up rules that don't match the story, and then being angry that they aren't followed.

 

I agree that "no thought of self" can also be interpreted as "no concern about onself" or "no thought about needs" or "no needs", but the way it sounds, it more sounds like "no sense of self", or since that's ambiguous as well, "no sense of individuality". What it comes down to, is that the writing is at fault for making this sound so wrong and confusing, and being overall shitty.
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TheBoost said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

twooffour said:

Why does Qui-Gon say "no thought of self" right after talking about the possibility of "avoiding oblivion" while retaining consciousness, and DEMONSTRATING THAT HIMSELF WHILE HE'S SPEAKING? 

I think this one at least can slide. Quiggy's talk about "no thought of self" is probably about the absence of desires for material pleasures, possessions, rewards, things like that. 

Of course, the whole retain-your-personality-and-obtain-immortality thing smacks of "thought of self" so ... 

Selflessness and continuing to exist are in now way at odds with eachother.

"Hey Dalai Lama! If you're so selfless how come you're eating that sandwich!?  And give me your shoes!"

There's only a contradiction if we, the fans, chose to intentionally interpret it in a way that is stupid.

We also don't have any systematic rules on how the afterlife works, so this is another example of fans making up rules that don't match the story, and then being angry that they aren't followed.

 Hmm ... perhaps you're right. An active quest for immortality still kind of smacks of "sense of self" to me, but then ... well ... :shrug:

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