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I’ve watched the video in the past, and I don’t remember anything in either Burton-verse Batman videos having anything that bothered me.

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Batman Returns is a masterpiece. Best Tim Burton’s effort (with Ed Wood). Nuff said.

“I have to say that I felt George’s group of six films had more innovative visual imagination, and this film was more of a retrenchment to things you had seen before and characters you had seen before, and it took a few baby steps forward with new characters.” - James Cameron about Episode VII.

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Lord Haseo said:

It’s okay. We’re but mere humans 😄

I would hope so. Though I’m not sure about Frink. I think he ascended to something above us some time ago.

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Maybe if I grew up with them I would think the along the same lines…

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Lord Haseo said:

Maybe if I grew up with them I would think the along the same lines…

I’m older than you and I love them.

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I’m only 21 so that doesn’t mean much. You could have seen been a kid or a teenager when you saw it. And if you do then good for you I just think there’s a lot of nostalgia involved in loving such films.

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First, the effects are probably the worst out of all the films. Where TPM made a good 90’s era effort to truly integrate CGI with the shot in a seamless manner, by the time of ROTS it’s just cynically mass produced. The opening battle in particular just stands out as so obviously fake that all tension is immediately sucked out of it. Most of the action scenes suffer from this problem. And for what is primarily an action movie this to me is death.

At one point in the film, order 66 I think, a hovertank explodes with the exact same intensity as one in the ancient Battlefield 1942 video game, merely jumping into the air with magic and turning completely black. This total lack of effort tars the film completely from a visual standpoint.

The battle droids change dramatically from the more menacing and realistic looking and sounding droids from the previous two films into cartoon comic relief straight out of the upcoming clone wars cgi cartoon. They have stupid accents, make “clever” comments and seem to be made of warner brothers cartoon jelly. Again this completely defuses any tension there might have been in scenes involving the droids as enemies. Suitable for an actual cartoon, sure, but not for a live action film purporting to be of the same substance as what came before.

While key story moments from the previous two prequels were enjoyable enough, think of anakin saying goodbye to Shmi, Qui Gon’s death, going off to save Shmi on Tatooine, the final love confession etc. These types of moments are utterly absent from ROTS. And because ROTS contains most of the important story points of the prequels, that’s extremely bad. A good example is Anakin killing Mace Windu and then flip flopping from “What have I done?” to “I’ll do anything you say, my master.” in the span of seconds. Anakin finally deciding to join the dark side is such an important moment for the entire saga and it is done so poorly it would be better if it hadn’t been done at all. This is true for nearly all the important moments in the film.

Killing off Dooku right at the start of the film was a mistake since he’s probably one of the most interesting villains in star wars. His role as a double agent outwardly working against the sith but secretly using the separatists as scapegoats is criminally underutilized. Grievous is no substitute, and is almost as silly as his new cartoon droid minions.

The final fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan is so hilariously overdone it almost completely undermines the seriousness of the fight for the story. It has a few nice moments like the iconic clash from the cover art, but overall it drags on for so long you tire of it and nearly forget what’s at stake.

The film’s only real high points in my mind is the ending sequence that ties the knot with the OT into a neat little bow, and Lucas’ affinity for composing a story visually really comes into its own here. As well as the soundtrack which is probably Williams’ best work to date. And in his own words is “endlessly compelling”.

There’s too much to complain about really. So the tl;dr is “everything”.

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BmB said:

Killing off Dooku right at the start of the film was a mistake since he’s probably one of the most interesting villains in star wars. His role as a double agent outwardly working against the sith but secretly using the separatists as scapegoats is criminally underutilized. Grievous is no substitute, and is almost as silly as his new cartoon droid minions.

Interesting? Seperatists scapegoats? What?

Maybe it’s just been at least a decade since I watched a PT movie all the way, but I wouldn’t call any PT character interssting.

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Ric Olie has ascended beyond the lowly rank of “movie character”, Ric Olie is a God. Ipso facto, he doesn’t count. All Hail Lord Olie!

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BmB said:

The film’s only real high points in my mind is the ending sequence that ties the knot with the OT into a neat little bow, and Lucas’ affinity for composing a story visually really comes into its own here.

That whole sequence is just as endlessly stupid as the rest of the movie. The story was not composed visually, he took the two ends of the stories he had and shoved them together in spite of the fact that they don’t flow into each other naturally that way.

As well as the soundtrack which is probably Williams’ best work to date.

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You don’t like the JP score? It’s all opinions, but all I know is that ROTS is definitely not “probably his best work”.

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One of the more distracting things about Revenge of the Sith is the nauseating lighting throughout. Not that it’s too colorful and seizure-inducing (like the Coruscant chase from AOTC for example), but it just felt so dark and odd. One scene that comes to mind is when Anakin is standing in the Jedi conference room and stares at Padamay from across the city. It just doesn’t look right and can’t put a finger on why exactly. It’s one of the main reasons why I find the movie so difficult to sit through.

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They just caught the digital colour “grading” bug. I’m pretty amazed AOTC didn’t go for it before ROTS considering it was the first fully digital film.

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Dek Rollins said:
The Terminator one works though, as both of those you mentioned are crap-fests.

Am I the only one who enjoyed Genisys?

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HansiG said:

Dek Rollins said:
The Terminator one works though, as both of those you mentioned are crap-fests.

Am I the only one who enjoyed Genisys?

I actually went with very low expectations. When I came out of the movie, I found myself pleasantly surprised. I don’t know why. But I did enjoy the movie a whole lot more than I thought I would

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BobaJett said:

HansiG said:

Dek Rollins said:
The Terminator one works though, as both of those you mentioned are crap-fests.

Am I the only one who enjoyed Genisys?

I actually went with very low expectations. When I came out of the movie, I found myself pleasantly surprised. I don’t know why. But I did enjoy the movie a whole lot more than I thought I would

same here!

Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329

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Smithers said:

BobaJett said:

I actually went with very low expectations. When I came out of the movie, I found myself pleasantly surprised. I don’t know why. But I did enjoy the movie a whole lot more than I thought I would

same here!


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Wexter said:

“Everything” is the correct answer. I will break it down a bit, however:

  1. The characters.
    Terribly written and awfully acted. Mace Windu, Yoda and to a lesser extent Obi-Wan are a bunch of dull monks. Grievous is silly. Palpatine is way over the top. Anakin is less awful to watch than he was in the last movie, but his transformation is handled very poorly. Also: Darth Vader is now a child-killer, yet his mentor and his wife still kinda like the guy.

  2. The story.
    Most of the time it feels like George had a checklist of stuff that needs to happen in the PT and only got around to using it by the time he started making the third film. Having said that, the PT doesn’t even tie in to the OT very well and introduces a lot of continuity errors. I also hate how every surviving character (except for Chewbacca) ends up in the exact same place where they are found 20 years later.

  3. The little things.
    They had the same actor who portrayed Palpatine in ROTJ. They could have take advantage of that and with some very mild make-up work he could really become a 20 years younger version of the same character. Instead they chose to glue an awful Halloween mask on his face.
    The two lightsaber duels lack any suspence whatsoever. I never found out why the Yoda vs. Palpatine duel was even in the film.

I disagree with everything in this post.

1.) Grievous is an epic villain. His role as a cyborg foreshadows Anakin’s future role as a cyborg while he is Darth Vader. The lightsaber duels with Grievous are epic. Almost all of the characters

2.) First you criticize the characters for being in the same position they are in at the beginning of A New Hope, but then you criticize it for not being continuous with the Original Trilogy. Which is it?

3.) Aging in and of itself could not explain Palpatine’s transformation of appearance into the Emperor.

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Scott109 said:

Wexter said:

“Everything” is the correct answer. I will break it down a bit, however:

  1. The characters.
    Terribly written and awfully acted. Mace Windu, Yoda and to a lesser extent Obi-Wan are a bunch of dull monks. Grievous is silly. Palpatine is way over the top. Anakin is less awful to watch than he was in the last movie, but his transformation is handled very poorly. Also: Darth Vader is now a child-killer, yet his mentor and his wife still kinda like the guy.

  2. The story.
    Most of the time it feels like George had a checklist of stuff that needs to happen in the PT and only got around to using it by the time he started making the third film. Having said that, the PT doesn’t even tie in to the OT very well and introduces a lot of continuity errors. I also hate how every surviving character (except for Chewbacca) ends up in the exact same place where they are found 20 years later.

  3. The little things.
    They had the same actor who portrayed Palpatine in ROTJ. They could have take advantage of that and with some very mild make-up work he could really become a 20 years younger version of the same character. Instead they chose to glue an awful Halloween mask on his face.
    The two lightsaber duels lack any suspence whatsoever. I never found out why the Yoda vs. Palpatine duel was even in the film.

I disagree with everything in this post.

1.) Grievous is an epic villain. His role as a cyborg foreshadows Anakin’s future role as a cyborg while he is Darth Vader. The lightsaber duels with Grievous are epic. Almost all of the characters

2.) First you criticize the characters for being in the same position they are in at the beginning of A New Hope, but then you criticize it for not being continuous with the Original Trilogy. Which is it?

3.) Aging in and of itself could not explain Palpatine’s transformation of appearance into the Emperor.

I agree with these parts of your post:

  1. Almost all of the characters

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Scott109 said:

Wexter said:

“Everything” is the correct answer. I will break it down a bit, however:

  1. The characters.
    Terribly written and awfully acted. Mace Windu, Yoda and to a lesser extent Obi-Wan are a bunch of dull monks. Grievous is silly. Palpatine is way over the top. Anakin is less awful to watch than he was in the last movie, but his transformation is handled very poorly. Also: Darth Vader is now a child-killer, yet his mentor and his wife still kinda like the guy.

  2. The story.
    Most of the time it feels like George had a checklist of stuff that needs to happen in the PT and only got around to using it by the time he started making the third film. Having said that, the PT doesn’t even tie in to the OT very well and introduces a lot of continuity errors. I also hate how every surviving character (except for Chewbacca) ends up in the exact same place where they are found 20 years later.

  3. The little things.
    They had the same actor who portrayed Palpatine in ROTJ. They could have take advantage of that and with some very mild make-up work he could really become a 20 years younger version of the same character. Instead they chose to glue an awful Halloween mask on his face.
    The two lightsaber duels lack any suspence whatsoever. I never found out why the Yoda vs. Palpatine duel was even in the film.

I disagree with everything in this post.

1.) Grievous is an epic villain. His role as a cyborg foreshadows Anakin’s future role as a cyborg while he is Darth Vader. The lightsaber duels with Grievous are epic. Almost all of the characters

2.) First you criticize the characters for being in the same position they are in at the beginning of A New Hope, but then you criticize it for not being continuous with the Original Trilogy. Which is it?

3.) Aging in and of itself could not explain Palpatine’s transformation of appearance into the Emperor.

No, Wexter is correct. Scientifically proven in both the lab and the field.

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Scott109 said:

2.) First you criticize the characters for being in the same position they are in at the beginning of A New Hope, but then you criticize it for not being continuous with the Original Trilogy. Which is it?

There’s a difference between “The stories should not contradict each other” and “I want these characters to stand here and never move for ~20 years so that they can pick up exactly where the OT starts”

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Scott109 said:

2.) First you criticize the characters for being in the same position they are in at the beginning of A New Hope, but then you criticize it for not being continuous with the Original Trilogy. Which is it?

There’s a difference between “The stories should not contradict each other” and “I want these characters to stand here and never move for ~20 years so that they can pick up exactly where the OT starts”

Precisely. IMO, a good prequel trilogy would have ended with Vader turning evil and only then a living Padme realizing she’s pregnant. The birth and distribution of the kids are completely unnecessary to depict.

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Scott109 said:
1.) Grievous is an epic villain.

Most of what he does is run away in ROTS. Not exactly what I call “epic”

The lightsaber duels with Grievous are epic. Almost all of the characters

If you call a lightsaber duel with no choreography “epic” then sure…it was awe-inspiring