rcb said:actually star trek XI was supposed to be a fan movie. but fans got together and raised enough money to hire a director to make the movie. personally i think it'll be good. as for the whole cbs deal, i hope they realized the mistake they made and bring trek back.
This is not true about star trek XI.
The truth is that Fans got together and raised to make a 5th season of Star Trek: Enterprise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Enterprise#2005
As of now Season 5 of enterprise exists only in the Books.
I choose the Canon of the novel the good that men do over These are the voyages because that episode was crap and moore should be ashamed.
Though the continuence of the voyages of the crew of the Nx-01 in novel form should make them feel right at home because the rebirth of tng, voyager, and deep space nine have all happened in the novels. Except for Year Four of Tos which is a Comic book.
Enterprise was supposed to be the first trek series to last 8 seasons as the voyage of the Nx-01 was an eight year mission. So four whole Seasons Are missing from the tv series unlike TOS which is only missing 2, Then their was that second five year mission thing of phase II which became star trek the motion picture. If you include the never produced and aborted series there are seven more seasons of tos missing.
TNG, DS9, and Voyager i believe all got Seven Seasons.
Also as far as i Know the TOS novels have 2 seperate continuities. The Real Pocket Books Continuity which tries to be in Line with the films and tv series and is still not canon, well at least it was not canon until JJ got his hands on things. And their is the Shatnerverse. Where the whole Universe revolves around Captain Kirk and His Decisions and even in the Next Generation Era Picard plays second Banana. People have alleged that Shatner is massaging His own ego in these books. That may be true but some of them are damn fun.
I'm not jumping to conclusions But i imagine Hunter6 is going to say that the screenwriters of the jj pic are going to plagiarize stuff from the pocket books novels. This might sit okay with cbs paramount who own pocket books, but what about the work for hire authors getting their work stolen?
Like if they Lazily cobble together other peoples work they should not have a job in writing at all.
Lucas and Spielberg both have allegedly commited grievous Plagiarism and got away with it.
It can never be proven in court but Star Wars is probably the biggest piece of plagiarism ever produced. And this not according to me these are not my theories.
Many unauthorized Biographer or Website has discussed argued these points.
Most of the source authors Lucas mined for Star Wars were Alive at the time the film was made and received no compensation. People Like Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov. alas for the passed away authors who could not protect their works like Edgar Rice Burroughs. Not Sure if E.E. Smith was alive at the time but his works were plundered wholesale as well. A case could be Made of Liberally Borrowing from the works of Professor J.R.R. Tolkien Like Lord of the Rings and The hobbit specifically.
He borrowed from Kurosawa but that score was settled when he helped raise the money to get Kagemusha made. Just like he supposedly gave money to the JCF or Joseph Campbell Foundation. Joe Campbell's book the hero with a thousand faces is also Very much used in Star Wars.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
skyjedi2005 said:You know the most moving thing emotionally about Lucas and Spielberg's Films is John Williams Music. I Don't think he gets nearly enough Credit what would Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Or Jurassic Park be without his music.
I basically agree with everything you just said in your last post. Pretty much the only thing I like from the Special Editions would be the new music John Williams did for them (that and I guess the additional footage of the snow beast still seems neat to me). However, at the same time, the special editions screwed over the great music at parts by making it too quiet.
All in all, music is yet another one of the finer aspects that simply serves to show how George Lucas doesn't really care about fine things.
"Now all Lucas has to do is make a cgi version of himself. It will be better than the original and fit his original vision." - skyjedi2005
skyjedi2005 said:I choose the Canon of the novel the good that men do over These are the voyages because that episode was crap and moore should be ashamed.
I share these feeling with you. The good that men do is a good novel and These are the voyages is a FU to the fans of not just Enterprise but all of Star Trek.
skyjedi2005 said:
The Real Pocket Books Continuity which tries to be in Line with the films and tv series and is still not canon, well at least it was not canon until JJ got his hands on things.
skyjedi2005 also said:
I'm not jumping to conclusions But i imagine Hunter6 is going to say that the screenwriters of the jj pic are going to plagiarize stuff from the pocket books novels. This might sit okay with cbs paramount who own pocket books, but what about the work for hire authors getting their work stolen? Like if they Lazily cobble together other peoples work they should not have a job in writing at all.
Well, JJ said that every thing is canon including the novels. I really thing he is saying that to protect himself from Fans yelling about the non-canon things in his film by saying that there is no non-cannon. I never thought about it as protect from being sued too, but now I do. By say that every thing is canon including the novels, JJ maybe trying to make the novels apart of trek history which cbs paramount owns, by do this JJ takes power from the authors suing him. Now, JJ and his Writer could say that they did not plagiarize, but were useing trek history.
One is the thing I hate about this new Star Trek film is that the idea of the young adventures of the enterprise crew was thought of before and Rejection back in 1991. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_First_Adventure
Star Trek 6 was going to be Star Trek: The First Adventure about the young adventures of the enterprise crew which JJ's Star Trek is now about . The thing is that Paramount Pictures, Gene Roddenberry and the regular Star Trek actors hated the idea which means Leonard Nimoy hated the idea of the young adventures of the enterprise crew, now Leonard Nimoy is in JJ's Star Trek which is the same idea. I question how much is JJ and his writers going to plagiarize from Star Trek: The First Adventure.
I do think some borrowing is o.k. like star trek: Enterprise useing the concept Enterprise design from the Star Trek The First Adventure idea to based the NX-o1 on.
USS Enterprise concept from Star Trek The First Adventure:
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Star_Trek_The_First_Adventure%2C_USS_Enterprise_concept.jpg
The thing is that the writers of the new star trek (Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci) have cross the line of just borrowing to flat out stealing in the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts:_The_Clonus_Horror#The_Island_suit
Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci should have been laughed out and kick out of hollywood for stealing so much from a movie so bad it was on MST3k. But NO!, they are handed Transformers, Star Trek and now Superman.
skyjedi2005 said:
Lucas and Spielberg both have allegedly commited grievous Plagiarism and got away with it.
It can never be proven in court but Star Wars is probably the biggest piece of plagiarism ever produced. And this not according to me these are not my theories.
Many unauthorized Biographer or Website has discussed argued these points.
Most of the source authors Lucas mined for Star Wars were Alive at the time the film was made and received no compensation. People Like Frank Herbert and Isaac Asimov. alas for the passed away authors who could not protect their works like Edgar Rice Burroughs. Not Sure if E.E. Smith was alive at the time but his works were plundered wholesale as well. A case could be Made of Liberally Borrowing from the works of Professor J.R.R. Tolkien Like Lord of the Rings and The hobbit specifically.
He borrowed from Kurosawa but that score was settled when he helped raise the money to get Kagemusha made. Just like he supposedly gave money to the JCF or Joseph Campbell Foundation. Joe Campbell's book the hero with a thousand faces is also Very much used in Star Wars.
I love Star wars... but, yes it is one of the biggest piece of plagiarism/borrowing ever produced.
I think the prequels are more so then the OT. (To me, the prequels are like Ben-Hur meets Metropolis... but, badly)
the Lucas of today is a picker of the dead too.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sources_and_analogues#Literature :
Since Asimov's death in 1992, the Star Wars cinematic universe has gained new Asimov-esque elements
The thing which pisses me off about Lucas is that Lucas takes from many things, but then he is so sue happy on others which takes things from star wars or seem like they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica#Battlestar_Galactica_.281978.29
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Lucas+sues&btnG=Search
Lucas is smart in his plagiarism/borrowing, he plagiarism/borrowing from many things and mix them, unlike Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
A telling thing about today's Lucas and Spielberg is that they are friends with J. J. Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.
Hunter6 said:We should sue George Lucas.
George Lucas has become a con-man and I do think that there is more likely some thing in the law in which a someone or a group could sue George Lucas for con.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick
A confidence trick or confidence game (also known as a bunko, con, flim flam, gaffle, grift, scam, scheme, or swindle) is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence.
I think in a court of law The '05,'06 and now the '08 DVD releases would be seen as Confidence tricks a.k.a scams.
The '06 dvds with the bad non-remastered transfers from old laserdisks is something taboo in mainstream media (specially coming from Lucas and ILM) and most people who work in media would more likely call it a scam.
This seems to fit the The '06 dvds:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks#Gold_brick_scams
Gold brick scams: Gold brick scams involve selling a tangible item for more than it is worth;
You might be on to something mate. I think Lacas broke the grounds of false advertising with these DVDs on a number of occasions. Like the sticker for the '04 DVDs said "All 3 classic films digitally restored and remastered". Nowhere did he mention these were the SE or altered from theatrical prints in anyway. The '06 DVDs never said anything about the horrific quality of the OT. I doubt these '08 DVDs will say anything either.
skyjedi2005 said:the 2004 set was a con nowhere on the box was it stated it was the special editions, and the copyright dates on the back all read 1977, 1980 and 1983. Plus it was labeled as the original star wars trilogy and was advertised as such. No mentions of the 1997 special editions or 2004 cuts anywhere.
I know a bunch of people who brought their sets back to best buy for a full refund as it was false advertising. They got their money back and said they would never give Lucas another dime of their money.
Hell the movies are being aired without mention of them not being the original versions or special editions on spike tv. They may trick some young kid who was not born back in the seventies, but clearly their con job never got past me.
The kid who said the gout was the original unaltered movies is a moron. If they were unaltered they would be anamorphic with beatifully pristine technicolor and the original sound mixes.
They were not. The 1993 set was digitally scrubbed by dvnr and formatted for 4:3 television sets with a resolution no greater than 480i, though the laserdisc picture was 380 lines interlaced. The sound mix was completely new and was none of the three mixes on star wars from 1977.
Star Wars was modified when it was retitled Episode IV: A New Hope, and a new digital sound mix was created in 1985.
The 35mm mix was only ever available as far as i know on the fox rental tape from 1982 and the 1985 CAV laserdisc release. So it was availble for what three years until it was buried. And the rental tape and the laserdisc can have rot issues. My tape has tape rot, and my laserdisc laserdisc rot. Even the backup dvd i have of the 1985 CAV authored by darkjedi on dvdr has rot set in.
The mono MIX and the 70mm six track stereo mix with monaural surrounds have never been made commercially available. Although the mono mix was lovingly restored by Belbecus he did not have access to the masters but a pal itv recording and a nstc bootleg of the theatrical cut of the movie from 77.
Someone tried recording the 70mm in the theater but the results are less than spectacular as you can imagine.
The original mix on both the 35mm and 70mm prints was derived from a 4 track master. with home audio equipment you can listen to the 35mm mix and decode the surround information. It is a very nice mix and only limited by the reproduction of the 1985 laserdisc audio fedility. Which is crap in comparison to how it would sound on a brand new pristine print in a properly set up theater .
The 35mm does not have the heavy bass and boom that the 70mm had or the similar bass heavy 1997 theatrical editions which were released in dts 6 track.
Indiana Jones fans and star wars fans had their childhoods raped by Lucas and Spielberg, lol. Just wait til next year when Gene Roddenberry rolls in his grave and the trekkies childhoods are raped by jj abrams.
I suppose I should've read through the forum first.
negative1 said:the reason i keep mentioning ET , was that it was a beloved movie, with a huge following,
and success also...i think since it didn't spawn a series, there isn't a fanbase as such that
is vocal, as is there is for star wars....also, as i mentioned in another thread, the release
of the special edition, didn't originally include the original movie, and still doesn't in other
non-US regions.....so there is a valid point there...
It didn't originally include the original movie, "originally" meaning before it was ever released. So, better wording for that would be "Originally it wasn't going to include the original version, but in the end it did. You continue to try to make it sound like it was actually released sans the theatrical version, when it wasn't. From day one of the E.T. release in NTSC land, the original version was there. So why the hell would/should people complain about it? You expect people to go around saying, "Dude, remember when Universal wasn't going to include the original version of E.T. on the DVD release, then at the last minute they decided to include it? That sucked, what assholes they were for that!" You seem not to want to acknowlegde the fact that the theatrical version of E.T. was in fact released from the start. Yes, in some parts of the world the original two-disc set only included the 2002 version of the film, since then the original has been made available to them also. And there are always imports. If the region 2 discs of the GOUT had been remastered and anamorphic, you can bet I would have spent a lot less time complaining about them and a lot more time importing the things and enjoying them.
Nobody complains about E.T. because there is nothing to complain about. The Star Wars trilogy with a release half as good as E.T.'s would be more than any of us here could ever possibly hope for. Stop going around asking every one why they are not upset about the E.T. DVD release. It would be insane to be upset about it, it was a perfect release. Both versions and extras, what more could anybody ask for?
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Actually E.T. was ALWAYS going to include the original version, but only in the more expensive 3 disc deluxe set. It was the loud reaction to the special edition that made them include it in the standard set. Notice the transfer was already done and ready to go anyway.
the one difference between spielberg and lucas is that spielberg never says, "this is the way i always envisioned it".
Suits like those being discussed here generally are based on being defrauded into buying something and then being denied a refund. In fact, that's how most infomercials work. But people who have been disappointed enough with SW discs to ask for a refund seem to have gotten one. So I don't understand the basis for suing. What were the damages? Emotional distress at seeing Greedo shoot first?
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:Suits like those being discussed here generally are based on being defrauded into buying something and then being denied a refund. In fact, that's how most infomercials work. But people who have been disappointed enough with SW discs to ask for a refund seem to have gotten one. So I don't understand the basis for suing. What were the damages? Emotional distress at seeing Greedo shoot first?
lol, while I have been angry about the way Mr. Lucas has been destroying every franchise he can get his hands on for the last 12 years, it is not keeping me up at night. But for god sakes, he is the only filmmaker I know who wont give his fans want they want. He has been decieving and manipulating about this issue for the last 12 years. Sue him for ill marketing on the '04, false advertising, stating the movies as the original '77, '80, '83 version on the '04 DVD box, not specific on the quality of the '06 transfer and basically just plain DVD malpratice of the greatest sci-fi films ever.
We could always do a hunger strike, people. But only as a last resort, and preferably after Halloween. ;-)
I think the big question is if we have a case of lucas knowingly conning people.
Well, let's look at the Star Wars DVD releases.
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2004 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a four disk set (three movies and one bonus disk).
The green are too green and the reds are too red. Black levels are too dark. Very odd coloring of the movies in this set. Now, you may think what hell does this has to do with lucas knowingly conning people. Well, the thing is that it is a lead brick. This Very odd coloring is normal seen in poor cheap dollar DVDs. Go get a color movie from the Dollar Store and you will find that the color levels from dollar DVD are the same as 2004 Star Wars trilogy DVDs. The color correction of the 2004 DVD Box Set is really, really bad but lucas has knowingly put out a bad product (not just once but four times). Also the Box set is called the Star Wars trilogy, but has the Star Wars trilogy Special Editions. It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions seems to be made to tricking people into thinking OOT.
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2005 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a Three disk set (three movies and no bonus disk).
Here the con starts becoming clear. Here we have the same DVDs as 2004 with the same bad color errors. Now, lucas put them in a new box which has OOT art work on it. Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and Now it has new OOT art work. All of this really seems like lucas is knowingly conning people into think these are the OOT.
_____
2006 DVDs of the Star Wars trilogy:
Now here another case of lucas is knowingly conning people.
Just like the 2005 DVDs, the 2005 DVDs are Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and it has new OOT art work. The new Con is that these DVDs have the unaltered original theater versions. The thing is that it is NOT the unaltered original theater versions, but is the 1993 laserdisk versions with the original Episode IV opening scroll taken from a 1977 print. Fans have asked lucas for anamorphic Widescreen unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy, but lucas knowingly con people by releasing non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions. The DVDs boxes state that they are in widescreen, but the con is that it does not state that the Special Edition versions is the only anamorphic version in the set. The boxes states the Special Edition versions are enhanced for 16:9 TVs and the proof of the con is here. What did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"? This seems to be only to confuse people.
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I ask you: Why did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"?
I ask you: Why did lucas not use the words like anamorphic and non-anamorphic which make it easy to know that the two disks are not the same?
I ask you: Why did lucas not just sell the non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions alone?
I ask you: Why does lucas keeps releasing the Same DVDs with New artwork almost each year?
I ask you: Why lucas keep releasing DVDs (2004 dvds and 2006 dvds) with Errors and Bad Quality.
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I think police need to search Skywalker Ranch to find if lucas has been telling the truth or lying about not having the original masters of the unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy.
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In the end of the Case of Lucas knowingly conning people could put Lucas behind bars.
It's not so much Lucas lied as he told us a half truth. Lynne Hale's email said "existing prints are in bad condition," which could mean anything Lucasfilm chooses it to mean.
That was a total dodge anyway since nobody just makes a dvd from used "prints" lying around. They'd RESTORE Star Wars like any other. goddamn old movie. Literally every week a new one comes out, Star Wars needing no more work or effort than any of them.
Fang Zei said:It's not so much Lucas lied as he told us a half truth. Lynne Hale's email said "existing prints are in bad condition," which could mean anything Lucasfilm chooses it to mean.
From: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa120.html#aswrant
"It's been reported previously that when Lucas went back to the original negatives of the Star Wars films in the mid 1990s, they were found to be in bad shape. Such bad shape, in fact, that had they not been restored immediately, the films could have been lost forever. So restoration is exactly what Lucas had done. Except that when he was creating the new 1997 Special Edition versions of the films... he cut the original negatives. So the original negatives of the theatrical versions no longer exist."
Also From: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa120.html#aswrant
"If good quality original elements don't exist, where did Lucasfilm get that footage of the 1977 opening crawl that was used in Empire of Dreams? And how could it have been presented in anamorphic widescreen on DVD unless a new anamorphic transfer of the footage was done or was already available? So why then can't anamorphic transfers of the films be done now for the new DVDs? It makes no sense whatsoever."
Also Lucas once said he recorded over the original star wars negatives. So which is it ? Did Lucas recorded over the original star wars negatives? OR Did he cut the original star wars negatives? OR is just Lucas Lying?
First Lucas said he recorded over the original star wars negatives which is NOT possible!
Then Lucas changed he story to that he cut the original star wars negatives which is dumbfounding and a big taboo in restoring films! If Lucas was dumb and cut the negatives then He should be kicked out the film-making world, FOREVER!
The thing is Lucas did NOT cut or recorded over the original star wars negatives. He more likely has them and is lying.
the original star wars negatives were more likely restoration back in 1997 and back-up on computer. the original star wars masters are more likely in Lucas' own vault. These original star wars masters were more likely used for Empire of Dreams and other things
This is why I would love for police to search Skywalker Ranch. If the original star wars masters were found by police, it would show that the 2006 DVDs were a con-job.
I cannot think of any reason these days to cut negatives. You transfer whatever segment you want, and cut in software, right? I've transfered hundreds of films, sometimes bits of one mixed with bits of another, and I can't remember ever cutting any of them.
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Hunter6 said:
First Lucas said he recorded over the original star wars negatives
Did he actually say that?! Was Star Wars originally shot on videotape?! LOL!!! :-P
Hunter6 said:I think the big question is if we have a case of lucas knowingly conning people.
Well, let's look at the Star Wars DVD releases.
____
2004 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a four disk set (three movies and one bonus disk).
The green are too green and the reds are too red. Black levels are too dark. Very odd coloring of the movies in this set. Now, you may think what hell does this has to do with lucas knowingly conning people. Well, the thing is that it is a lead brick. This Very odd coloring is normal seen in poor cheap dollar DVDs. Go get a color movie from the Dollar Store and you will find that the color levels from dollar DVD are the same as 2004 Star Wars trilogy DVDs. The color correction of the 2004 DVD Box Set is really, really bad but lucas has knowingly put out a bad product (not just once but four times). Also the Box set is called the Star Wars trilogy, but has the Star Wars trilogy Special Editions. It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions seems to be made to tricking people into thinking OOT.
______
2005 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a Three disk set (three movies and no bonus disk).
Here the con starts becoming clear. Here we have the same DVDs as 2004 with the same bad color errors. Now, lucas put them in a new box which has OOT art work on it. Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and Now it has new OOT art work. All of this really seems like lucas is knowingly conning people into think these are the OOT.
_____
2006 DVDs of the Star Wars trilogy:
Now here another case of lucas is knowingly conning people.
Just like the 2005 DVDs, the 2005 DVDs are Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and it has new OOT art work. The new Con is that these DVDs have the unaltered original theater versions. The thing is that it is NOT the unaltered original theater versions, but is the 1993 laserdisk versions with the original Episode IV opening scroll taken from a 1977 print. Fans have asked lucas for anamorphic Widescreen unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy, but lucas knowingly con people by releasing non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions. The DVDs boxes state that they are in widescreen, but the con is that it does not state that the Special Edition versions is the only anamorphic version in the set. The boxes states the Special Edition versions are enhanced for 16:9 TVs and the proof of the con is here. What did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"? This seems to be only to confuse people.-------------
I ask you: Why did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"?
I ask you: Why did lucas not use the words like anamorphic and non-anamorphic which make it easy to know that the two disks are not the same?
I ask you: Why did lucas not just sell the non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions alone?
I ask you: Why does lucas keeps releasing the Same DVDs with New artwork almost each year?
I ask you: Why lucas keep releasing DVDs (2004 dvds and 2006 dvds) with Errors and Bad Quality.--------------
I think police need to search Skywalker Ranch to find if lucas has been telling the truth or lying about not having the original masters of the unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy.
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In the end of the Case of Lucas knowingly conning people could put Lucas behind bars.
Thanks mate, you really articulated what I wanted to say but just couldn't quite conjure up enough energy to type.
Hunter6 said:The DVDs boxes state that they are in widescreen, but the con is that it does not state that the Special Edition versions is the only anamorphic version in the set. The boxes states the Special Edition versions are enhanced for 16:9 TVs and the proof of the con is here. What did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"? This seems to be only to confuse people.
Actually, the 2006 set specifies very clearly on the back of the DVD case that the theatrical versions on the bonus discs are letterboxed.
Talk about having police raiding Lucas' house is absurd. That is going way too far, and it would never happen. You might be able to make a weak argument for false advertisment, but nobody will take this seriously. Hell, nobody will take US seriously when we have people on our side talking such blantant nonsense as this, and going under threatening names as "kill Lucas".
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C3PX said:Actually, the 2006 set specifies very clearly on the back of the DVD case that the theatrical versions on the bonus discs are letterboxed.
The 2006 so-called OT DVD Boxes state that their are the theatrical versions in letterbox format...
But, In reality the 2006 so-called OT DVDs are not in letterbox format, their are in Windowbox format.
also the 2006 so-called OT DVDs are made from the 1993 Definitive Collection Laserdiscs version and the 1993 Definitive Collection Laserdiscs version are NOT the theatrical versions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#Pre-Special_Edition
2004 Star Wars SE disks:
"Anamorphic" Widescreen (aspect Ratio: 2.35:1)
2006 Star Wars SE disks:
Widescreen format "enhanced" for 16:9 TVs (aspect Ratio: 2.35:1)
Why did Mr. Lucas have the wording changed in 2006? Actions like this only show that Mr. Lucas was knowingly conning people.
Talk about having police raiding Lucas' house is absurd. That is going way too far, and it would never happen.
Search warrant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_warrant
A search warrant is a court order issued by a judge or magistrate that authorizes law enforcement to conduct a search of a person or location for "evidence" of a criminal offense and seize such items. Under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution, most searches by the police require a search warrant based on "probable cause", although there are exceptions.
Searching Mr. Lucas' house for "evidence" in a court case about Mr. Lucas Confidence tricking people is "probable cause"
The search warrant is to find "evidence" which key to proofing the Charges.
You might be able to make a weak argument for false advertisment, but nobody will take this seriously.
Charging Mr. Lucas for pulling a Gold brick scam is not a Charge of false advertisment nor will a judge see it has a Charge of false advertisment.
Charging Mr. Lucas for knowingly conning people is a serious Charge and would be seen as serious.
also consumer activist groups and consumer advocate groups would seen it as serious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks#Gold_brick_scams
Gold brick scams involve selling a tangible item for more than it is worth; named after selling the victim a supposed gold bar that turns out to be gold-coated lead.
Hell, nobody will take US seriously when we have people on our side talking such blantant nonsense as this, and going under threatening names as "kill Lucas".
That name only shows the rage people feel from Mr. Lucas' scam.
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The Court System is for up holding the Truth and that was this case is about.
It not about getting money or even an "I sorry" from Mr. Lucas.
It is about the Truth and We feel that Mr. Lucas is not telling the Truth.
In Charging Mr. Lucas for knowingly conning people, We hope to learn the Truth which like I said the Court System is for.
In fact, We should not sue George Lucas, or Charge George Lucas for knowingly conning people.
The Thing is, We just need a good Private investigator to look into it because I said It is about the Truth.
I would not want to see George Lucas go to jail even those he could for knowingly conning people.
All I want is a box set of The real theatrical versions of the Star Wars films in "Anamorphic" Widescreen with a high-definition digital cleanup and a restoration job.
All the past Cons which Lucas pulled on us would be Forgiven if He only did this little act.
I am sick of the lies and tricks from Lucas , if a box set of The real theatrical versions of the Star Wars films in "Anamorphic" Widescreen with a high-definition digital cleanup and a restoration job came out on DVD, I would walk-away from posting on this site and never post about or think about George Lucas again.
Believe me, I understand the frustration with George Lucas, the questionable marketing he's used over the years, and his tendency to re-write the history of Star Wars.
But this thread is really embarrassing. Can we go back to talking about the new Star Trek movie?
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
Hunter6 said:The Thing is, We just need a good Private investigator to look into it because I said It is about the Truth.
I think the mods should delete this entire thread. Not just close it, delete it. It's like a Monty Python skit that turned out to be real.
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I agree. If this forum has a "cause" this is just shooting it in the foot.
What Erik said is exactly my point. I know all those factsyou threw at me hunter, and for the last part of your post, you are preaching to the chior, I don't care one bit about the 2004 versions of the movies or the prequels, all I want are the originals on DVD in watchable quality. I understand where you are coming from and how you feel, but I think you guys are bringing up some ridiculous stuff that just makes everyone involved in this cause look crazy.
Yeah, the truth is distorted on the advertising and box sets, but it is a DVD, nobody outside of our circles really cares and it certianly isn't enough to be sending police to raid the guys house and throw him in jail as a con artist. That is absurd and even slightly unsettling to hear people talk about seriously. The con artist thing doesn't even make any sense at all. He has not reason to con anyone, he is making a ton of money off of Star Wars either way. He has no motive to try to con people, he is just stubborn and doesn't want to release the originals.
So yeah, let's talk Star Trek. Golly gee, I sure hope this new movie has tribbles in it! That'd be swell!
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