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We should sue George Lucas.

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George Lucas can suck my balls! This guy not only irrevocably destroy Star Wars with his horrendous prequels but he also won’t let us have the OT the way it was suppose to be. Hayden Christensen was the biggest miscasting IN CINEMA HISTORY! So was Jake Lloyd! I can’t believe the scripts he wrote!! Hey George, EVER HEARD OF HIRING WRITERS AND DIRECTORS?!!! The ’06 DVDs was a spit in our faces and a huge disgrace to the cinema industry. Now he is releasing his shit versions again FOR THE FORTH TIME! I’ve had it with this guy, lets sue him!!! If I ever come in contact with George Lucas I will seriously climb over all his bodyguards and knock the shit out of him! Lets get some knowledge together, hire some lawyers and sue this ASSHOLE!

Vote for Obama! You'll get a little more of George Lucas's money!

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FU Asshole!!! Are you defending George Lucas? You like the prequels? You like Hayden? You like Greedo shooting first? He’s a billionaire and won’t let anyone restore the OOT or hire writers, which everybody wants, but continues to make shitty movies instead. I would go on longer, but you probably know what I mean.

Vote for Obama! You'll get a little more of George Lucas's money!

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Dude, you obviously have no interest in staying here or you have been living under a rock a very long time. This is incredibly old news. If you posted this in ’04 then this might’ve been accepted as relevant. If you are interested in staying here (which I doubt you are) you should read up on this board before you start spewing a bunch of anger. It’s has been done plenty of times before. Nobody cares what you think by the way. Flaming is against the TOS and going to get you banned in a nano second. I have been here awhile and this board is full of conservatives not very tolerant of newbies and ignorance. I could’ve sworn there was someone awhile ago here who suggested we should sue George Lucas before. Hmmm… I wonder who that could be?

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I’m on your side. I just want Star Wars the way it is suppose to be. TRANSFERRED AND REMASTER FROM THE BEST POSSIBLE SOURCES! Is that so hard George? He is spitting in our faces and I’m really sick of it!!!!! I wanted to work with you guys as a team and help find lawyers to go against George Lucas.

Vote for Obama! You'll get a little more of George Lucas's money!

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Go ahead, look for lawyers on google. You don’t have any jurisdiction to sue George Lucas for this. He owns the rights to almost everything Star Wars and they’re not for sale. He can release the movies anyway he wants to or not at all, it is his choice. Unless you're a billionare also, he has an army of lawyers and would laugh in your face if you try to sue him for this.

The motto here is to handle this diplomatically. The idea here is we will attract more bees with honey instead of vinegar. There still is a chance, however unlikely that George Lucas will give us a proper release of the OT in his upcoming Blu-ray set. Since 2004 a lot of fans have gotten proactive about this dilemma and made their own edits, you can find some at fanedit.org and Adywan's HD version you can find at newsgroups. If we lose our composure of handling this diplomatically it will reduce our chances even further. Unless you can get into Lucas Ranch (or wherever he is living now) hold a gun to his head and threaten him to release the OOT anamorphic widescreen, I don’t think any of this flaming is going to help us. But I don’t know why I’m wasting my time with you, you’re obviously a troll, the moderators should be banning you any moment now.

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This is not the first time someone has come in and wanted to sue Lucas, someone like this has come in at least once before. But the world doesn't work like that.

Janskeet, we are usually a sancuary for people like this, no need to tell him off. He is a little over zealous with a name like kill Lucas and all, but he is probably just venting pent up frustration. We are not going to kill or sue Lucas, but of course KillLucas is more than welcome to stick around.

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Janskeet said:

 Nobody cares what you think by the way. Flaming is against the TOS and going to get you banned in a nano second. I have been here awhile and this board is full of conservatives not very tolerant of newbies and ignorance.

 

That is all a bunch of BS. As you can see, Janskeet is obviously not very tolerant. We do care what you think, newbies are more than welcome and as long as you obey the rules, you are not going to get banned. You don't get banned around here for stating your opinions. This is a pretty laid back place, and great place to hang out and discuss whatever you like.

However, you are not going to get anyone to rally with you to sue Lucas. You'd have no case for starters, and it just isn't the right way to go about things. As much as me and others here think Lucas is wrong in not releasing a restored OOT, he is well within his legal rights.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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I think we are a tolerant bunch, for the most part. Certainly more tolerant than most of the other SW boards on the internet. The one thing I can't tolerate is people deliberately making inflammatory remarks, in order to incite arguments.

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yea. we have our agreements and disagreements. besides, as its said in he constitution we all have freedom of speech, unless you threaten the president. lol.

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We should sue George Lucas. 

George Lucas has become a con-man and I do think that there is more likely some thing in the law in which a someone or a group could sue George Lucas for con.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

A confidence trick or confidence game (also known as a bunko, con, flim flam, gaffle, grift, scam, scheme, or swindle) is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence.

 

I think in a court of law The '05,'06 and now the '08 DVD releases would be seen as Confidence tricks a.k.a scams.

The '06 dvds with the bad non-remastered transfers from old laserdisks is something taboo in mainstream media (specially coming from Lucas and ILM)  and most people who work in media would more likely call it a scam. 

This seems to fit the The '06 dvds: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks#Gold_brick_scams

Gold brick scams: Gold brick scams involve selling a tangible item for more than it is worth;    

 

 

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whoo! hot tday aren't we?

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KillLucas said:

George Lucas can suck my balls! This guy not only irrevocably destroy Star Wars with his horrendous prequels but he also won’t let us have the OT the way it was suppose to be. Hayden Christensen was the biggest miscasting IN CINEMA HISTORY! So was Jake Lloyd! I can’t believe the scripts he wrote!! Hey George, EVER HEARD OF HIRING WRITERS AND DIRECTORS?!!! The ’06 DVDs was a spit in our faces and a huge disgrace to the cinema industry. Now he is releasing his shit versions again FOR THE FORTH TIME! I’ve had it with this guy, lets sue him!!! If I ever come in contact with George Lucas I will seriously climb over all his bodyguards and knock the shit out of him! Lets get some knowledge together, hire some lawyers and sue this ASSHOLE!

I'm guessing this is an attempt at humor/satire.  If so, it's pretty funny, actually!

 

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KillLucas said:

George Lucas can suck my balls! This guy not only irrevocably destroy Star Wars with his horrendous prequels but he also won’t let us have the OT the way it was suppose to be. Hayden Christensen was the biggest miscasting IN CINEMA HISTORY! So was Jake Lloyd! I can’t believe the scripts he wrote!! Hey George, EVER HEARD OF HIRING WRITERS AND DIRECTORS?!!! The ’06 DVDs was a spit in our faces and a huge disgrace to the cinema industry. Now he is releasing his shit versions again FOR THE FORTH TIME! I’ve had it with this guy, lets sue him!!! If I ever come in contact with George Lucas I will seriously climb over all his bodyguards and knock the shit out of him! Lets get some knowledge together, hire some lawyers and sue this ASSHOLE!

I'm guessing this is an attempt at humor/satire.  If so, it's pretty lame, actually!

 

There, I corrected it for you.

 

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Janskeet said:

 Nobody cares what you think by the way. Flaming is against the TOS and going to get you banned in a nano second. I have been here awhile and this board is full of conservatives not very tolerant of newbies and ignorance.

That is all a bunch of BS. As you can see, Janskeet is obviously not very tolerant. We do care what you think, newbies are more than welcome and as long as you obey the rules, you are not going to get banned. You don't get banned around here for stating your opinions. This is a pretty laid back place, and great place to hang out and discuss whatever you like.

However, you are not going to get anyone to rally with you to sue Lucas. You'd have no case for starters, and it just isn't the right way to go about things. As much as me and others here think Lucas is wrong in not releasing a restored OOT, he is well within his legal rights.

I actually agree with the critique Janskreet has made of this thread. I agree with you that his specific statement there was overboard, but I can overlook that in light of what he was specifically responding to in that instance. KillLucas was clearly trying to flame him.

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Janskeet said:

I have been here awhile and this board is full of conservatives not very tolerant of newbies and ignorance.

You should leave the politics in the politics thread Janskeet.  That's what it's there for.

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We should sue George Lucas. 

George Lucas has become a con-man and I do think that there is more likely some thing in the law in which a someone or a group could sue George Lucas for con.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

A confidence trick or confidence game (also known as a bunko, con, flim flam, gaffle, grift, scam, scheme, or swindle) is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence.

 

I think in a court of law The '05,'06 and now the '08 DVD releases would be seen as Confidence tricks a.k.a scams.

The '06 dvds with the bad non-remastered transfers from old laserdisks is something taboo in mainstream media (specially coming from Lucas and ILM)  and most people who work in media would more likely call it a scam. 

This seems to fit the The '06 dvds: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks#Gold_brick_scams

Gold brick scams: Gold brick scams involve selling a tangible item for more than it is worth;    

 

 

So what you're suggesting is that we actually have legal ground to sue every make of every thing.  Seriously, since when is it illegal to bend the truth a little?  Besides, Lucas never told us we were getting a remastered OOT.  Jim Ward said "This is state of the art in 1993".  That said it all.  Even the early reviews said it wasn't remastered.

The '05 set you speak of was, if I'm not mistaken, the retailers trying to sell of stock.  The '06 set was the remastered SEs along with the GOUT.  No con was ever played.  If you bought any of those sets thinking you were getting the OOT remastered, then the fool is you.

KillLucas: Dude, nice username.  If your post was less inflammatory and your username was different, I might've taken you more seriously.  As it is, your username is just wrong.  Is it really worth killing someone over, as your username suggests?

 

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Okay stop fucking bitching and complaining you should be banned Lucas gave us the original unaltered trilogy the one that we all wanted to have which was the original goal of this site its people like you that give Star Wars fans a bad name. If you hate the special editions so much through them out and keep the Original trilogy jesus fucking christ! 

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Holy shit dude, calm down! KillLucas posted that two days ago and hasn't been back since. Chances are he isn't coming back. Some people take the internets waaaay to seriously... it isn't worth freaking out like that over what some jackass said on a message board.

"Every time Warb sighs, an angel falls into a vat of mapel syrup." - Gaffer Tape

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Makes me wonder, though:  if someone like that goes to another message board, do its posters roll their eyes and say, "Geez, one of those crazies from original trilogy is spewing crap about George," similar to how a lot of us say, "Another one of those crazies from TF.n is here gushing crap about Lucas," when an over-zealous person with the opposite view shows up?  Obviously, KillLucas isn't "one of us," but the rest of the Star Wars fan community would probably think so if he came wandering in.  I don't know.  Just a semi-creepy thought that crossed my mind.

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TheDoctor1987 said:

Okay stop fucking bitching and complaining you should be banned Lucas gave us the original unaltered trilogy the one that we all wanted to have which was the original goal of this site its people like you that give Star Wars fans a bad name. If you hate the special editions so much through them out and keep the Original trilogy jesus fucking christ! 

 

 lets chill now! its one idiots opinion.

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the 2004 set was a con nowhere on the box was it stated it was the special editions, and the copyright dates on the back all read 1977, 1980 and 1983.  Plus it was labeled as the original star wars trilogy and was advertised as such.  No mentions of the 1997 special editions or 2004 cuts anywhere.

 

I know a bunch of people who brought their sets back to best buy for a full refund as it was false advertising.  They got their money back and said they would never give Lucas another dime of their money.

 

Hell the movies are being aired without mention of them not being the original versions or special editions on spike tv.  They may trick some young kid who was not born back in the seventies, but clearly their con job never got past me.

The kid who said the gout was the original unaltered movies is a moron.  If they were unaltered they would be anamorphic with beatifully pristine technicolor and the original sound mixes. 

They were not.  The 1993 set was digitally scrubbed by dvnr and formatted for 4:3 television sets with a resolution no greater than 480i, though the laserdisc picture was 380 lines interlaced.  The sound mix was completely new and was none of the three mixes on star wars from 1977. 

Star Wars was modified when it was retitled Episode IV: A New Hope, and a new digital sound mix was created in 1985.

The 35mm mix was only ever available as far as i know on the fox rental tape from 1982 and the 1985 CAV laserdisc release.  So it was availble for what three years until it was buried.  And the rental tape and the laserdisc can have rot issues.  My tape has tape rot, and my laserdisc laserdisc rot.  Even the backup dvd i have of the 1985 CAV authored by darkjedi on dvdr has rot set in.

The mono MIX and the 70mm six track stereo mix with monaural surrounds have never been made commercially available.  Although the mono mix was lovingly restored by Belbecus he did not have access to the masters but a pal itv recording and a nstc bootleg of the theatrical cut of the movie from 77.

Someone tried recording the 70mm in the theater but the results are less than spectacular as you can imagine.

The original mix on both the 35mm and 70mm prints was derived from a 4 track master.  with home audio equipment you can listen to the 35mm mix and decode the surround information.  It is a very nice mix and only limited by the reproduction of the 1985 laserdisc audio fedility.  Which is crap in comparison to how it would sound on a brand new pristine print in a properly set up theater .

The 35mm does not have the heavy bass and boom that the 70mm had or the similar bass heavy 1997 theatrical editions which were released in dts 6 track.

Indiana Jones fans and star wars fans had their childhoods raped by Lucas and Spielberg, lol.  Just wait til next year when Gene Roddenberry rolls in his grave and the trekkies childhoods are raped by jj abrams.

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The funny thing about the 04 DVDs is that if you didn't read about them on the internet, or hear about the changes by word of mouth, just walked in the store saw them there and thought, "Hey, Star Wars is on DVD! I loved those movies when I was a kid, I ought to buy them for my kids for Christmas." When you watched them you'd be like, "What the hell?" Even if you were expecting them to be the 1997 films you would not be getting what you expected. You be getting three versions of the films you had never seen before. What other DVD set has ever done that to us before without so much as a warning in the form of the words "Special Edition" or "Director's Cut"? I cannot think of any.

Another thing that makes me surprised so many people are head-over-heels, paint me pink and slap me silly, what more could you possibly ask for, happy with the OT DVD release is its complete and utter lack of any special features whatsoever. No matter how you spin it, it is an incredibly bare bones set. I didn't realize that until just this week, when I finally broke down and bought the GOUT set (used, $3 bucks a piece, figured I might as well add them to my collection of nonanamorphic DVDs which consisted of the Planet of the Apes boxset and Monty Phython and the Holy Grail, both of which were released in the days when nonanamorphic was standard and both of which have had superior anamorphic transfers since then). Most bare bones discs at least come with a trailer or something to give people something else to click on after they watch the movie. These things literally only have the movie, scene selection setup, and a link to StarWars.com for some gay reason. First time I have seen an internet link on a DVD, brilliant stuff. Guess they wanted to make it look like it had more features than it does.

My GOUT set came with the 04 discs, and I am still trying to decide what to do with them. Maybe I will sell them on ebay, if I can make $9 off of them I will break even and my GOUTs will have cost me nothing. Not sure if I should sell the cases with them or not, the cases are seriously ugly, I could print off much nicer ones, but the ones I print off never quite look the quality of the original covers.

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C3PX said:

What other DVD set has ever done that to us before without so much as a warning in the form of the words "Special Edition" or "Director's Cut"? I cannot think of any.


 

well, the original 2 disc versions of ET only had the 2002 version, and

in region 2, you had to buy the 3 disc version to get the original ..

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/4808/et-2-dvd-limited-edition/

 

and guess what genius changes were made in 2002:

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An extended version of the film, including altered special effects, was released on March 22, 2002. Certain shots of E.T. had bothered Spielberg since 1982, as he did not have enough time to perfect the animatronics. Computer-generated imagery (CGI) was used to modify several shots, including ones of E.T. running in the opening sequence and being spotted in the cornfield. Spielberg also altered the spaceship's design, adding lights. Scenes shot for but not included in the original version were introduced. These included E.T. taking a bath, and Gertie telling Mary that Elliott went to the forest. Spielberg did not add the scene featuring Harrison Ford, feeling that would reshape the film too drastically. Having become a father, Spielberg was more sensitive about the scene where gun-wielding federal agents threaten Elliott and his escaping friends; he digitally replaced the guns with walkie-talkies.

 

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Although director Steven Spielberg eventually stepped in to make sure that both the 2-DVD and 3-DVD sets included the 1982 version, the studio only made this announcement at the last moment, after many had likely made their pre-orders for the box set online.

and so many people think Speilberg is great, when he does something

just as controversial, but no one seems to remember that, do they?

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What are you talking about negative one?

I have the 3 disc et 60 dollar boxset and it is a nice set.  Also came with a filmcel and a making of book and cd, of and unlike the gout et theatrical is anamorphic. So in 2002 Spielberg could get right what Lucas could not in 2004, or 2006.

If you add that to the Ridley Scott Blade Runner set, and the Speilberg 3 disc Close encounters which both have restored from pristine film elements anamorphic theatrical versions, oh and another set the restored godfather.  Where is Lucas resting on his laurels and pissing off his fans.

Also in the last few years the Rambo Trilogy, the bond films, The Dirty Harry films the Rocky films have all been restored for their theatrical releases.  Hell even Dune got restored and so did The Last Starfighter for an HD-DVD release. Also the planet of the apes movies were restored.

But the biggest box office smash trilogy of all time nowhere in site, unless you count the gout as an acceptable release in the 21st century.  I do not.  I find it a joke and laughable.  It ought to be criminal to release three landmark epic sci fi/space fantasy films as bonus discs dumped from a laserdisc master.

That might have been acceptable in 1997 but not in 2006 pal i hate to tell you the facts.

The Indiana Jones trilogy dvd set was spared being wrecked.  But not so for THX 1138 and Star Wars oot both were added crap cgi that ruined the plot of the films, hell even American Graffiti landmark opening shot has been replaced with a cgi one because Lucas liked it better, fucker.

If Spielberg ever goes back and adds a cgi Shark to Jaws at Lucas suggestion i hope they make another South Park Episode where Speilberg and Lucas get ripped.  Free Hat and That latest China episode were classic.  Though i would say that last one crossed the line, and i don't like Spielberg Being stereotyped as the typical Money hungry evil jew caricature that they had in  those 2 episodes.  I mean those writers must be anti semitic or something.

The howard the duck pinball machine was awesome though, remind Lucas of his great claasics like howard the duck.

Though i do wonder why they have singled out Lucas and Spielberg.  Michael Bay also Deserved to be ripped for Transformers, Brett Ratner for X-men 3 and Next year jj star trek, possibly.  I mean if you added up all the dudes who supposedly raped peoples childhoods and destroyed franchises it would be more than 2 guys.

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Although director Steven Spielberg eventually stepped in to make sure that both the 2-DVD and 3-DVD sets included the 1982 version, the studio only made this announcement at the last moment, after many had likely made their pre-orders for the box set online.

and so many people think Speilberg is great, when he does something

just as controversial, but no one seems to remember that, do they?

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Perhaps you didn't read your own post, or you didn't understand what you were quoting, but the 2002 DVD release DID in fact have both versions. And Spielberg didn't do anything controversial, he is the one who pushed the studio to include the original in the 2 disc set when originally it was only going to be in the three disc set.

It may seem to you like nobody seems to remember it, but that is probably only because the problem was fixed at the last minute before the DVD was shipped leaving no reason for anyone to still be talking about it. I remember the controversy very well, there was a lot of backlash at the idea of having to fork out tons of money on the ultimate edition just to get the original version of the film, it was a huge deal at the time, but like I said, because they realized it was such a big deal, they fixed the problem by including both versions. In other words, they decided they ought to please the fans and let them decide which version they want to watch, instead of making them watch the version they wanted them to see.

You could argue that George did the same thing with the 06 release, but he didn't really. If you have ever tried to watch the GOUT with a projector or on an HD TV it is so pixelated it feels like you are watching a damn youtube video in full screen. In a day and age where more and more people watch their DVDs on big widescreen TVs or with projectors, such a poor quality release holding to the quality standards of over ten years before is a meaningless gesture.

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