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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
Well, mcfly's work will be a disc, yeah. It won't be 2 of 2, though. The disc I uploaded to Demonoid was the first half of the flick, so disc 2 from that set needs to be uploaded for the whole of that copy to be out there.


Er... oops. I should've watched the whole disc, huh? I was thinking Lorang's would be disc 2.

Do you think I could get a copy of disc 2 from you? Email on the way...

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I have the original encore tape ;-)

who knows how to trasnfer for yet another transfer..lol!!

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You mean the broadcast master?!?
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
You mean the broadcast master?!?


No, if I remember right, I believe his tape was what started this whole thread. It's the first version of the Encore showing, but RevB later found a cleaner version of the Encore showing, which is what he's torrenting.

(Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)
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Yes, this is correct. Mitch's tapes were the source of my first copy of the Encore Waterworld on DVD. Got some good discs in that trade.

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Open matte, for sure.

And zoomed in more than I'd realized. For some reason, the R2 cap came out squished, horizontally.

The Encore grabs are ever-so-slightly horizonally-squished in comparison to my grabs from the R1. Undoubtedly broadcast that way.

So far, it looks like they zoomed in (to avoid boom mikes & such), and left it that way throughout the movie (as most open-mattes seem to be).

So I don't know if the DVDs will be very useful.


Here's a couple of the Bravo grabs combined with the R1.

I stretched out the Encore grab, slightly, for this one:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/JimTuckuh/DockingR1Bravo3TVwidened-c.jpg


I didn't align this one as neatly, and I cut the opacity of the dvd grab to 50%. And I didn't resize the Bravo grab.


http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/JimTuckuh/MarinerR1-Bravo-c.jpg

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Well, the crop definitely isn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Hell, they could've gone with a straight pan and scan, as opposed to an open matte shot with cropped edges. Now THAT would've sucked big time.

I'm getting excited about this. Very nice.
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FYI peeps:

Gonna hold off on seeding the next disc for a couple more days till Jaiman gets a copy of it in the mail. I'm sending it to him for newsgroup posting and so he can help me seed the torrent.

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I have much to reply to, so I'll tackle it all in one post--

Tweaker Said:
"I think you should lighten up on the color levels a bit. I'd have to dig out my DVDs to check, but is he really that red?"

No, I'm going to do some serious leveling and color correction once I get everything cut together in Vegas. The pic I posted was when I was figuring out how to set black/white levels in Avisynth, and I actually just stole the levels right out of X0's Star Wars guide. Thank you, X0!

Also, if you could post your HD screenshots of any of the frames I've already posted, I'm sure we'd love to compare the cropping with the R2 DVD and TV caps. On the other hand, that HD is so pretty it's going to make me sob when I have to watch deleted scenes from VHS

Jaiman Tuckuh said:
"The color artifacting looks like it might be a sync timing problem from the broadcast chain. There are filters for those color problems, but I don't know much about them, offhand."

Here's a sequence of screenshots that leads me to believe it's an IVTC problem:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/Chroma1.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/Chroma2.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/Chroma3.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/Chroma4.jpg
The two frames on either side of this cut still show field blending.

...and the same goes for anything with high motion, like the guard's head:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/ChromaWha.jpg
(although it's harder to see)

Unfortunately, this may be the least of my 3:2 problems. Since I need one project frame rate (I can't mix 24 frame and 30 frame sources), I either need to IVTC all of them or none.

"Did you capture from Encore directly to DV, or was is from a tape?"

DV, directly to my Hard Drive.

"I wonder if there's anyone with a PAL vcr, a TBC, and a good capture setup, who could recapture from Lorang's tape, if he's willing to send it to them?"

I'd love to see screenshots comparing Llorang's to ReverendBeastly's. We established earlier that Llorang's was best, but then found out ReverendBeastly's screens were from a poor quality dub, and his current one is comparable to Llorang's.

"If you don't want to delay things by doing the compositing bit, or if it turns out to be a lot of work, due to color-correction, or whatever, then you're the boss. But I hope you might give it a try."

I will. No logos would be ideal, but I'm skeptical that it would work. I just tried it with my DV cap and the scene Llorang posted from his VHS, and his version is zoomed in a way that would require me to zoom in on my DV image to composite them together.

EDIT: I needed to slow Llorang's down to 98% to sort-of match cap, which means Llorang's is actually FASTER than mine (as PAL should be). My bad.
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Lorang's PAL version actually runs at 29.97fps for whatever reason. I'll send that to you, mcfly, with my Encore version.

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I would much rather have the logos than do anything that would degrade the quality of the video. Logos are so obnoxious now anyways, with all the animated crap, that the sedate little logos in question aren't a big deal.

So mcfly (god, that sounds weird), you actually captured the movie directly from the broadcast to videotape? If so, that would automatically make your copy the best version of this broadcast, by far. Or is your capture just of the theatrical version of the film?

Me confused.
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What mcfly has as a source is a Bravo broadcast of the extended version, but it's a shortened extended version (if that makes any sense). He did it by capturing the video as DV video to his hard drive as it aired. He'll be compositing this, my Encore broadcast DVDs and the Waterworld home video to make an extended edition composite from the best available elements.

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http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/296/3dwwcoverboon23bn8.jpg
a basic cover art based on the special edition cover and the soundtrack cover.

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Nice, boon! One thing, though, is that I didn't actually create anything. I got the discs I'm distributing in a trade from I can't remember who. So I shouldn't have any credit on the back for creation

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you got them in a trade from me, however, the transfer was crap at the time. I think it can be done better! I need someone with A+ transfer capabilities?

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No, like I said, I got my first copy of the Encore Waterworld on DVD from you.

The copy I'm circulating now I got from a different trade, not sourced from you.

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Sorry guys will have to count my original vhs out, I chucked it away with the garbage some time ago, I know I'm kicking myself as well only thing I have is the disc I traded with the Reverend sorry!
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@lorang: Well damn... oh well.


@mcfly: DUH!!! Sorry, senior moment. Something at the back of my mind kept telling me I needed to post more screenies, but it wouldn't tell me what.

I'll try to get some screenies, of Rev's Encore, taken & put up tonight. I thought I was preoccupied before, but now it's really getting nuts.

I also have some comments to translate from Jaimanese to English.


@Rev: Could you find Mitch's transfer, and post a screenie? Preferably one of the same scenes posted here. Maybe it'd be worth running through a TBC and denoise... (If there was someone set up with a TBC and everything).


@All: (torrent-ers & newsgroup downloaders, at least) : I should get Rev's disc 2 tommorow or Monday. Looks like I can time it so I can throw my full bandwidth at the torrent.

I plan to put both discs on the newsgroups sometime next week, after MM's Taxi Driver.

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Yeah, I'll grab some later tonight. They look a lot like the screens that were initially posted in this thread a few days ago when talk of this version came up again.

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Thanks. Those screenies looked bad, but they were too tiny to tell anything from.

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I'll be back in a "little bit".

Here's the first sample of Lorang's SciFi compared to Rev's Encore:

Encore:

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/JimTuckuh/Mariner-Encore.jpg

SciFi:
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o57/JimTuckuh/Mariner-VHS.jpg

The SciFi cap is zoomed in more than the Encore.

The Encore cap appears to have been run through some filters - it gives the impression of more detail, but there might not be.

In any case, there's not much detail in either.

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I didn't get the disc today. So probably Monday.


Originally posted by: mcfly89
"If you don't want to delay things by doing the compositing bit, or if it turns out to be a lot of work, due to color-correction, or whatever, then you're the boss. But I hope you might give it a try."

I will. No logos would be ideal, but I'm skeptical that it would work. I just tried it with my DV cap and the scene Llorang posted from his VHS, and his version is zoomed in a way that would require me to zoom in on my DV image to composite them together.
I couldn't be positive, before... But the Bravo logo is transparent for "Bravo" and semi-transparent for the white part!!!

There are de-logo filters that can deal with those (not sure how well, but they don't use blurring, and they should, at least, de-emphasise the hell out of it.

You might also be able to follow up with the "if darker" overlay setting with the SciFi or Encore caps - if you can get them color-corrected enough. I think you can set it to let just a little bit through, perhaps with opacity. Hopefully Vegas will have a "scale" setting, so you can resize Lorang's in Vegas on the fly, without resizing his video.


There aren't any logos in the Encore cap, so you're cool there.


Originally posted by: mcfly89
Jaiman Tuckuh said:
"The color artifacting looks like it might be a sync timing problem from the broadcast chain. There are filters for those color problems, but I don't know much about them, offhand."

Here's a sequence of screenshots that leads me to believe it's an IVTC problem:
[Snip]
The two frames on either side of this cut still show field blending.

...and the same goes for anything with high motion, like the guard's head:
[Snip]
(although it's harder to see)


Sounds like you got that from tests of the IVTC filter by itself?

If it's IVTC, then that middle pair suggests that there might be from a setting that does average/interpolate, or field-blending.

Especially if it's in a regular pattern. I think the pattern would be:
frame/frame/wierd-frame/wierd-frame/frame/frame/weird-frame/wierd-frame.

Should be a way to shut that setting off, or just shut it off for chroma.


You said you used:
DoubleWeave()
Pulldown(1,4)
But you didn't say which IVTC filter.

The one in ADM's guide worked nicely for me, but your milage may vary:
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Uncomment the line: LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\decomb.dll")
and uncomment the line Telecide(order=1,guide=1).Decimate()
by removing the # character at the start of each of those lines.
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DV, directly to my Hard Drive.


Is your capture in DV codec, or mpeg2?

DV codec could cause some color weirdness.

DVs' chroma needs to be translated to mpeg2's chroma sampling, before any other filter.

One of the Videohelp DV-to-mpeg2 threads

That thread links to some filters that would help deal with DV-codec caps.


I'll get some more SciFi vs Encore screenies up as soon as I can.

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Yeah, I remember hearing about the logo removal filters. A little googling revealed that there's a pretty popular one for virtualdub, but it only works for AVIs...
http://neuron2.net/delogo132/delogo.html

And a guide (some of the responses have some before and after comparisons):
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1376335

For other programs, I'm not sure what you'd use.
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I think the work RidgeShark is doing on his Army Of Darkness edit might be worth looking at

http://www.originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=5053

I'm sure he was working on removing the logo from the sci-fi channel scenes he was using.
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Originally posted by: ReverendBeastly
No, like I said, I got my first copy of the Encore Waterworld on DVD from you.

The copy I'm circulating now I got from a different trade, not sourced from you.


I was trying to say that my source Tape is a better source then the one I sent you, I didn't know much about tranfers back then, and yes it was a good trade, I got a lot form you. Thanks ;-)

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