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If you wanna do a new transfer or, better yet, let mcfly borrow your tapes after you make a new transfer (so he doesn't have to work from a DVD), that'd be cool. I'm sure it would help in some capacity.

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mcfly you want a crack at mine? I recorded it myslef.

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Disc 2 of 2 be up on the Demon's back.

Okay, that's the last semi-vague post with stupid wording I'll ever make.

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Second disc has a few seeders now, and I've hopped off. Big thanks to Jaiman for helping with the seeding duties on this one. Now that this is out there, we've got that restoration to look forward to

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Thanks for the upload, but why do you use demonoid ? Because there is no way how can newbies register there
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Ouch, Demonoid just finished a monthy free registration period.

Either you'd have to wait almost a month, or find someone who could give you an invitation code.

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I guess it's a little too late to post more screenies, since McFly would have the source discs.

Sounds like McFly's work is going well, based on what he said in another thread.


Heads up, fellow newsgroupies!

Just finished posting both discs of the Encore Extended Edition.

alt.binaries.dvd, alt.binaries.dvd5 - nzb crossposted to alt.binaries.nzb.

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I'd like to show some screenshots of my de-logo trials:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo1.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo2.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo3.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-LogoTMC.jpg

None of these methods really satisfy me. They either leave remnants of the logo, or blur away all the detail. One more thing I'll try is to composite the logo out by replacing the lower right region with the same image from one of the VHS dubs (I believe Jaiman Tuckuh came up with that idea a while back). I'm skeptical that these logos can ever be killed to my satisfaction, but if this is anyone's specialty, feel free to take some of the stills from earlier posts and see what you can do with them.

P.S. I've got a lot more to talk about in another post, but I'd like to mention the fourth still (above) is from a TMC broadcast I captured. You'll notice it's a little over-saturated. TMC broadcasted the theatrical version, and left in some material cut from other broadcasts (The Mariner urinating in the cup). The audio won't be usable, since TMC is a Spanish channel (imagine my surprise when the Narrator announced "Mundo Aquatico!") I also did a capture from USA, which looks the same as the Bravo version, except a little less noisier and brighter. There are no major quality differences between these, but it's nice to have options for those shots when a huge animated Bravo add pops up and covers half the screen!
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Hi Jaiman,

Firstly , your work is hugely appreciated.

Re Waterworld encore newsposting. There appear to be a number of Disk 2 rar files missing. Would you mind re-upping if possble please? Pm'd you the exact numbers.

Appreciated as always
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Thank you for bringing that to my attention!


Easynews's web interface doesn't show those files, because Easynews sees them as incomplete.

I pulled headers and found out that, due to some screwy propagation problem, a few file segments came in with truncated filenames.

a.b.dvd5 is pretty easy to pull headers from, a person could get the rest of each file & repair with QuickPar.

But it'd be better if I reposted the files (rars and pars), or reposted the segments. Not sure how I'm going to go about that.

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Thanks.

I did try and recover with quickpar but there was too much missing.

Thanks once again

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I'll do some sort of repost of the files, then.


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Originally posted by: mcfly89
I'd like to show some screenshots of my de-logo trials:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo1.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo2.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo3.jpg
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-LogoTMC.jpg

None of these methods really satisfy me. They either leave remnants of the logo, or blur away all the detail. One more thing I'll try is to composite the logo out by replacing the lower right region with the same image from one of the VHS dubs (I believe Jaiman Tuckuh came up with that idea a while back). I'm skeptical that these logos can ever be killed to my satisfaction, but if this is anyone's specialty, feel free to take some of the stills from earlier posts and see what you can do with them.
The first 3 look worse than leaving the logo in.

The "BRAVO" lettering looks solid black here, it looked transparent in earlier screenies. So a logo-removal filter wouldn't work worth a damn anyway.


Yeah, I suggested using compositor functions to remove logos. It would work fine, if the other source is good enough, and color-matched & stuff. The caps of the other channels would work a lot better than the VHS caps, for the scenes they have in common. The VHS caps might not be good enough, but they're worth a try. I know how do it, but I don't have the time or disc space. At least not in the near future. (Sounds lame, but it's true).


P.S. I've got a lot more to talk about in another post, but I'd like to mention the fourth still (above) is from a TMC broadcast I captured. You'll notice it's a little over-saturated. TMC broadcasted the theatrical version, and left in some material cut from other broadcasts (The Mariner urinating in the cup). The audio won't be usable, since TMC is a Spanish channel (imagine my surprise when the Narrator announced "Mundo Aquatico!") I also did a capture from USA, which looks the same as the Bravo version, except a little less noisier and brighter. There are no major quality differences between these, but it's nice to have options for those shots when a huge animated Bravo add pops up and covers half the screen!


Wow! More scenes! Those have to go in. You could get the theatrical audio from the dvd, assuming it's the theatrical cut.

I didn't realize the theatrical version had scenes that the extended one didn't. Maybe I'll find the time to compare them side-by-side.

Those other versions would be perfect for replacing scenes that have logos, or doing logo repair!

Does TMC have any logos? Or have them at the same times? Same postition?

Is USA's (permenant?) logo in a different postition on the screen?

If they have logos in different times & positions, then that'd be ideal for repairing with compositor methods.


Ya mean the Bravo cap has those irritating animated "bugs" popping up? Ick.


TMC stands for "The Movie Channel" (premium channel) on my system. Ohhh... maybe Telemundo?


In any case, if there are any logos left, then that's the breaks. It'd be nice to get rid of as many as possible, though.

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Here's an example of a shot that makes me happy I have a number of sources!
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/AnimatedLogosSuck.jpg

"The "BRAVO" lettering looks solid black here, it looked transparent in earlier screenies. So a logo-removal filter wouldn't work worth a damn anyway."

Actually, this one:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/De-Logo3.jpg
...was an attempt I made at bringing the white of the bravo word balloon down to the same brightness as the rest of the frame. Had it worked, I would have refined it to cut out the bravo text as well. As you can see here, Bravo text is transparent:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/thegreathunger/TV.jpg

Nevertheless, the logo filters and my home-made experiment all flopped.

"The caps of the other channels would work a lot better than the VHS caps, for the scenes they have in common."

Unfortunately, all of my DV caps have the logos in the bottom right corner of the screen. I'll try to composite with the VHS, but my edit will in the end probably be a trade-off: you get twice the resolution of the Encore version (with the exception of some scenes), but have to put up with logos.

"You said you used:
DoubleWeave()
Pulldown(1,4)
But you didn't say which IVTC filter."

I thought that WAS the IVTC filter! After doing some more reading, I've found that most people recommend Decomb, so I've been learning that and the results look good. Decomb can't handle RGB, so I had to convert the chroma to YV12 before IVTC. At first I had the same chroma problem in areas of motion, but then I converted to YUY2 instead, and the problem is gone.

"DV codec could cause some color weirdness."

I'm aware that I'll lose chroma information going from DV (my source captures) to MPEG2 (for DVD), but it's my opinion that the quality loss of capturing MPEG2 and recompressing to MPEG2 is more visually significant. I hate those MPEG blocks!

"DVs' chroma needs to be translated to mpeg2's chroma sampling, before any other filter."

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm currently converting to YUY2, then IVTC, then de-noise, then frameserving to Vegas, where I'll edit, color correct, make the colors broadcast safe, and render out the MPEG2 and burn in DVD Architect. Is there a problem with that workflow?

"Wow! More scenes! Those have to go in. You could get the theatrical audio from the dvd, assuming it's the theatrical cut."

I wouldn't say there are more scenes, since I can only confirm the "peeing in a cup" scene so far. But I think if they didn't cut that for Telemundo, they probably didn't make any edits for content.
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Hi guys,

Long time lurker here ;-) If any movie deserves a special edition then I think Waterworld does. Theres two cuts of the movie and think of the "making of" documentary that could be created. There must be some stories about the production, I mean one of the sets sank!!

Anyway, I love your guys work on these edits and I know how you like to include as much as possible for bonus content. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the old Waterworld game by Interplay. I had to make sure I wasn't imagining it and found this page.

This is the part that I remember (although I only had a demo, never the full game):

• Experience never-before-seen footage from Waterworld the movie and interact with its character via original video scenes featuring the actual cast, costumes and set


Its just an idea.

PS I don't know if its any help but in the newsgroups is a HD 720p posting of Waterworld.
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I'm reposting those messed-up Waterworld Disc 2 files, right now. The nzb didn't post the first time (see my posting list for details), I'll have to do a retry on it.


Originally posted by: Jabbitt
Hi guys,

Long time lurker here ;-) If any movie deserves a special edition then I think Waterworld does. Theres two cuts of the movie and think of the "making of" documentary that could be created. There must be some stories about the production, I mean one of the sets sank!!

Anyway, I love your guys work on these edits and I know how you like to include as much as possible for bonus content. I'm surprised no one has mentioned the old Waterworld game by Interplay. I had to make sure I wasn't imagining it and found this page.

This is the part that I remember (although I only had a demo, never the full game):

• Experience never-before-seen footage from Waterworld the movie and interact with its character via original video scenes featuring the actual cast, costumes and set

Its just an idea.


Did the demo have the deleted scenes?

Such an old game would probably have awful video quality. But if there were scenes that aren't in any other versions, then it'd make a neat extra!


PS I don't know if its any help but in the newsgroups is a HD 720p posting of Waterworld.


Is that the one in alt.binaries.hdtv.x264, posted about April 13th? If so, it's the retail version, and we aren't allowed to talk about downloading it...


If there's another one, up there, I'd love to hear about it. It'd be awesome if it turned out to have deleted scenes - would make a great subject for HD2DVD!


@McFly - stuff to say, but my brain is mush this morning... I'll try tonight.

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IIRC the Waterworld computer game demo had no FMV, it was just a level or two of the actual game. Theres actually a copy of the game for sale on ebay. But even then I suppose someone has to figure out how the video is stored and figure a way of getting it.

Apologies for the newsgroup posting, I'm a bit nieve. I thought most of the HD posts were cable rips and the like. I didn't know that people were now posting retail HD-DVDs.

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My final release will probably be two-disc, 90 minutes per disc. I believe ABC Originally split it up into a two-night event, so I'll probably cut it at the same halfway point. I'd love to see a third, "Special Features" disc even more than the movie itself--especially if we're talking making-of documentaries. I don't have the time or any bonus materials, so I won't be vying for this project, but I hope someone does it!
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GET READY TO CELEBRATE:

According to TV Guide, Sci-Fi is airing Waterworld on Saturday, May 12th, from 5 PM to 9 PM! That's 4 hours! (with commercials)
I'll of course be capturing this and crossing my fingers that the quality is out of this world. I encourage anybody else to do a cap, in case my computer explodes or something.

Unfortunately for me, I just minutes ago finished synching up the Bravo, USA, and Telemundo caps I did. I hope all that work won't be for nothing when I get this new Sci-Fi cap. It took me about 12 hours longer than I expected, but I have a few interesting tidbits:

-The USA and Bravo versions are identical, except for the placement of commercial breaks. Also, in one shot, when Helen is scarcely covered by a towel, USA added a blur. Both versions omit a couple frames from all the best violent shots. Both have not just additional scenes, but often additional shots in already-existing scenes.

-I still believe the Telemundo is the Theatrical Version (I haven't gotten around to comparing with my Theatrical DVD). It has full violence and one near-nude shot of Helen was longer in this version, while another was shorter.

Also of note is that there were a couple frames that Decomb IVTC'd differently (incorrectly) in the different caps. I had to eliminate these frames to maintain synch between the different caps. I believe I'm seeing some combing artifacts on some frames as well, no doubt because I've set post=0. I figured if it IVTC's correctly, there's no sense in deinterlacing, but I may have been wrong. I'll play around with it a bit.

I've given almost no thought to how to handle audio. I think Surround Sound may be out of the question since about an hour worth of footage is Stereo. Even as stereo, it's tough to just cut back and forth between audio tracks without it sounding jarring. I'll have to just hope that the 3-hour cap will have everything I need so I won't have to chop it up. Another audio problem is my captures always have this hiss. I don't know if that's normal for cable bootlegs, but I'll try to eliminate it.
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Very cool. Hopefully the Sci-Fi broadcast is everything you (and many other folks) hope it to be, and that your project goes smoothly.
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Can I ask which Sci-Fi channel is it, the UK one or one in the States?
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I checked, it's US Sci-Fi, which means I'll be able to cap it

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I think my audio capture problem may be related to my camera. The coaxial cable goes into my VCR, which goes composite out to my camera, and then firewire to my PC. My camera's composite cables run through an 1/8" phono-style jack, and when I jiggle it, audio quality gets better or worse. Maybe fixable in post, but I'm happy to have alternate soures (Thanks Molly!)
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Denoise removes the naturally inherant film grain. Why do people have a big problem against film grain I have no idea. DVNR'ing is crap and shouldn't be administered. Looks like an edge enhanced mess. No filtering the image please to "denoise" it. It's FILM GRAIN! Yeesh...