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No, I read your comment CO. It's just your conclusion here is fallacious:
My point is that your nostalgia is what's making it #3. Nostalgia doesn't automatically mean you love it unconditionally. just that because of your childhood memories, you give it more love than it probably deserves. Nothing really WRONG with it, but it helps to understand that up front so there's a proper frame to your argument. The nostalgia is also why you refuse to believe there was ALWAYS this divide amongst film fans and even Star Wars fans more specifically, and it's deeper than simply "Ewoks = Jar Jar" or whatever the line is that you're drawing. There were people back then who HATED ROTJ and ESB after Star Wars came out. The difference is a) you didn't really seek those people out and b) there wasn't, because of lack of internet, as far reaching a segment of the community for you to easily read about. You think it was nicer mostly because you didn't KNOW about those who hated just as people now hate the Prequels and Computer Animation and all things post models and opticals. And along with the growth of the internet has come the gift of massive overstatement. It's one thing to recognize there are some screwed up elements in all the movies, and some really screwed up stuff in the Special Editions. It's another to call it "spitting in the face" as if it carries that much weight. But that sort of overstatement isn't just accepted, it's EXPECTED.
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CO Answers:
Again, I have to disagree. When I say #3, it isn't my #3 favorite movie of all-time, it is #3 in the OT, and the last time I checked, that is dead last. If you asked me in 1983 what my top 5 movies were of all-time, I would have said: #1 Star Wars, #2 Return of the Jedi, #3 Superman II, #4 Wargames, #5 Star Trek II: Wrath of Khan. Out of all 5 of them, the only one that hasn't changed on that list is the original Star Wars. My top 5 favorite movies of all-time presently would be: 1. Star Wars, 2. Empire Strikes Back, 3. Field of Dreams, 4. Hoosiers 5. Back to the Future, cause I can watch them over and over, so again I don't know where you keep getting this nostalgia thing?
As for people hating ROTJ, as I said earlier, I am sure there were people that didn't like ROTJ, and even ESB when they came out, just look at the drop in box office numbers after the original Star Wars in 1977. And your right, the internet does exasperate the level of both sides, positive or negative.
But there was a level of Hatred toward TPM I have never seen toward any movie that was so anticipated by an already fan base. Sure have movies bombed before, yes, but you can attribute alot of TPM problems to the hype, cause people were expecting the second coming. Sure people had grown up, and realized that they didn't love Star Wars as much as they did as kids. But it is, in my opinion, such a bad movie compared to the other Star Wars movies, and alot of people feel that. Now many people would argue and say AOTC is worse, but that is another debate.
My whole point is in 1998, Star Wars between the fans was alot more civil than it is today, and there two reasons why:
1. The Prequels to many are terrible. I said before TPM is average, AOTC is better, and ROTS is pretty good. That is 3 shots for Lucas to finally get a movie that I liked, that is not a good record. There are many fans that love the prequels, and there are many fans that despise them, think they ruin the myth of Star Wars, and many people, even though they may have not liked ROTJ, didn't think it ruined the series. Star Wars, before the prequels, was never mocked by the fans, it was mocked by the people who DIDN'T like it!
2. The SE, (Greedo Shooting First, Hayden in ROTJ as a Ghost) alienated all the fans that didn't like the prequels even more. Whether it is fair or not, the refusal to put the O-OT on DVD as made many fans who grew up with the series frustrated and angry. Say, you hate the prequels, and don't recognize them, but everytime you watch ROTJ, you have to see Hayden's mug at the end.
If there were no prequels, would they be debating today how good or bad ROTJ is, sure they do that with every movie, but the prequels have brought out a level of hatred that, to me personaly, has seriously hurt the saga. You know there will always have two factions of fans, most younger, but not all who love the prequels, and mostly older, but not all who hate the prequels. I don't think George ever intended that to happen.
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